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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (20 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,316
fernandopartridge said:
They delivered the closest thing to a hard Brexit with their insistence on remain. Childish idiots.

Anyway, let's draw a line under it and move on now. The (Conservative) government by their own sales pitch is now fully accountable for every single law in this country.
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One major positive is that they’re not going to have any more scapegoats, they’ll own this now and not be able to blame anyone for the country’s failings.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,317
Sick Boy said:
One major positive is that they’re not going to have any more scapegoats, they’ll own this now and not be able to blame anyone for the country’s failings.
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At least you finally acknowledge the influence the EU has on its members. Have Italy launched the vaccine yet?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,318
Grendel said:
At least you finally acknowledge the influence the EU has on its members. Have Italy launched the vaccine yet?
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Haha, there will be more scapegoats to come yet.
It starts on Sunday - like the UK each country was free to start earlier if it wanted to.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,319
Grendel said:
Most people’s lives will be hardly touched by it and people in the future will be more likely to ask why did we join at all
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The last time I saw a post as clueless as this one was about a year ago when we had an idiot saying Robins should go.
 

BackRoomRummermill

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,320
And we go full circle again and again and again , I must have missed the chapter on the result of a democratic process standing being reversed , now we have the tosser Sturgeon gibbing off again , she should focus on Covid rule adherence .
It was a vote
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,321
fernandopartridge said:
They delivered the closest thing to a hard Brexit with their insistence on remain. Childish idiots.

Anyway, let's draw a line under it and move on now. The (Conservative) government by their own sales pitch is now fully accountable for every single law in this country.
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why move on? it's going to make people poorer and have a worse quality of life.
they will have to suck it up and take the blows that are coming
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,322
David O'Day said:
why move on? it's going to make people poorer and have a worse quality of life.
they will have to suck it up and take the blows that are coming
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Let's move on from it in the sense that the Tory government are held to account for people being poorer not via the prism of brexit
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,323
Sick Boy said:
One major positive is that they’re not going to have any more scapegoats, they’ll own this now and not be able to blame anyone for the country’s failings.
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Oh sweet summer child.

Now it’s the fault of foreigners, the unemployed, and single mums. And Marcus Rashford.
 
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hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,324
shmmeee said:
Oh sweet summer child.

Now it’s the fault of foreigners, the unemployed, and single mums. And Marcus Rashford.
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Plenty to get through before foreigners.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,325
BackRoomRummermill said:
And we go full circle again and again and again , I must have missed the chapter on the result of a democratic process standing being reversed , now we have the tosser Sturgeon gibbing off again , she should focus on Covid rule adherence .
It was a vote
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On the basis that Scotland is lost to both Labour and the Tories now - she will now argue that the Scots deserve another referendum. Then the people of Scotland can decide their own future - whatever they want it to be.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,326
Ian1779 said:
On the basis that Scotland is lost to both Labour and the Tories now - she will now argue that the Scots deserve another referendum. Then the people of Scotland can decide their own future - whatever they want it to be.
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The SNP have had referendums for 50 years - of course they should decide what their future is but they need to understand what this is from Mr Johnson. Immediate withdrawal of trading terms - a hard border with WTO terms, no inclusion on the newly established deal with the Eu and immediate requirement to create a new currency
 
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oakey

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,327
Grendel said:
We can safely say there will never be a referendum to rejoin
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Correct.
It will be a future manifesto commitment to realign in some way, if not join outright. Not for a decade or more, most likely.
Referendums are the device of dictators and demagogues as Thatcher rightly pointed out. They cause nothing but trouble unless they are to confirm an action already taken.
This shitshow would never have happened under her watch.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,328
oakey said:
Correct.
It will be a future manifesto commitment to realign in some way, if not join outright. Not for a decade or more, most likely.
Referendums are the device of dictators and demagogues as Thatcher rightly pointed out. They cause nothing but trouble unless they are to confirm an action already taken.
This shitshow would never have happened under her watch.
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Probably led by johnson and gove too
 
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BackRoomRummermill

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,329
Ian1779 said:
On the basis that Scotland is lost to both Labour and the Tories now - she will now argue that the Scots deserve another referendum. Then the people of Scotland can decide their own future - whatever they want it to be.
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You say that but in reality they have less Westminster seats than 2016 , they are clutching at straws the SNP also the recent result in Alloa where Torys won raised a few eyebrows.

The last election Unionst votes ( lab,lib, Tory) outnumbered Nats votes (snp)

Don’t believe the press or media on their own agendas
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,330
BackRoomRummermill said:
You say that but in reality they have less Westminster seats than 2016 , they are clutching at straws the SNP also the recent result in Alloa where Torys won raised a few eyebrows.

The last election Unionst votes ( lab,lib, Tory) outnumbered Nats votes (snp)

Don’t believe the press or media on their own agendas
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It’s certainly not about believing press or media - they have 47/59 now under FPTP and the Tory response to COV-ID has supercharged the clamour for another referendum.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,331
oakey said:
Correct.
It will be a future manifesto commitment to realign in some way, if not join outright. Not for a decade or more, most likely.
Referendums are the device of dictators and demagogues as Thatcher rightly pointed out. They cause nothing but trouble unless they are to confirm an action already taken.
This shitshow would never have happened under her watch.
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Guess you don’t rate Ms Sturgeon very highly
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,332
Sky Blue Pete said:
Probably led by johnson and gove too
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i assume Ted Heath was a dictator and a demagogue?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,333
Ian1779 said:
It’s certainly not about believing press or media - they have 47/59 now under FPTP and the Tory response to COV-ID has supercharged the clamour for another referendum.
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do you think Sturgeon has the interests of Scotland at heart and do you believe in independent sovereignty?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,334
Grendel said:
do you think Sturgeon has the interests of Scotland at heart and do you believe in independent sovereignty?
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I don’t have an opinion on the matter - that is for the Scottish people to decide.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,335
Ian1779 said:
I don’t have an opinion on the matter - that is for the Scottish people to decide.
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And I assume you agree we should not allow them the benefit of continuation of the pound as a currency and also an immediate hard border and WTO terms? Also I assume you are now punching the air with delight that we have finally left Europe having decided To do this in 2016?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,336
Grendel said:
And I assume you agree we should not allow them the benefit of continuation of the pound as a currency and also an immediate hard border and WTO terms? Also I assume you are now punching the air with delight that we have finally left Europe having decided To do this in 2016?
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Certainly not punching the air we have left - I think it’s a shit idea. That said - it’s what people voted for and in no way should there ever have been an attempt to try and stop it.
 
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BackRoomRummermill

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,337
Same with the Indy once in a generation vote on 2014 ..... unless your say a hamster
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,338
BackRoomRummermill said:
Same with the Indy once in a generation vote on 2014 ..... unless your say a hamster
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Indeed
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,339
Ian1779 said:
Certainly not punching the air we have left - I think it’s a shit idea. That said - it’s what people voted for and in no way should there ever have been an attempt to try and stop it.
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The Scottish people voted to stay in the union
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,340
Grendel said:
The Scottish people voted to stay in the union
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If in a few years there was a clear and overwhelming desire for them to leave the UK, surely you’d be supportive of it?
 

BackRoomRummermill

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,341
Grendel said:
The Scottish people voted to stay in the union
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And it was Salmond and Sturgeon that quoted the once in a generation vote , the polls were in their favour then , that’s why they quoted it , the SNP are the new dictators spilling half truths to the hapless souls who believe them , those on benefit are kept on benefit so they vote SNP as they believe auntie Nicola pays it for them. The highest drug deaths ratio in the WORLD is the legacy of the SNP , they cannot blame Westminster for that thoug they have tried and failed ,,, no the SNP will not get independence there are many many Scots proud to be British, the SNP will disappear back up its own arse soon. They know it as well hence the panic as many people hear even her core support are turning on her not t mention her ex leader Mr Salmond
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,342
Sick Boy said:
If in a few years there was a clear and overwhelming desire for them to leave the UK, surely you’d be supportive of it?
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Sturgeon would have a referendum every year - she’s as mad as a box of frogs. As long as they understand the consequence is a hard border with the main trading partner, no currency and immediate withdrawal of all funding from Westminster then so be it - but if the eu referendum was to remain I don’t think we should have one every few years in case it changes
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,343
Sick Boy said:
If in a few years there was a clear and overwhelming desire for them to leave the UK, surely you’d be supportive of it?
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I assume you would say the same about Catalonia?
 
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BackRoomRummermill

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,344
If this ever happened the last person turn the light out on the M74 as you leave , you know all the people that pay HIGH than rest of UK tax to support all the SNP minions will leave leaving Scotland the next Albania of Europe , who will pay them Nicola ? Not the EU look how they royally fucked up Covid Support between themselves , never mind a few people wearing kilts with Magnum moustaches ( and that’s just the women )
 

BackRoomRummermill

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,345
Grendel said:
I assume you would say the same about Catalonia?
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Which is why Europe will not welcome the SNP , the Catalonian issue blocks it
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,346
BackRoomRummermill said:
Which is why Europe will not welcome the SNP , the Catalonian issue blocks it
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Yep
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,347
Surely a referendum would be the same as the Brexit vote? Based on supposition and guesswork.
EU can't promise Scotland anything unilaterally (and Spain isn't going to offer much because of the Catalonia situation either)
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,348
tisza said:
Surely a referendum would be the same as the Brexit vote? Based on supposition and guesswork.
EU can't promise Scotland anything unilaterally (and Spain isn't going to offer much because of the Catalonia situation either)
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And like Catalonia they are not allowed another go unless Westminster allows it - and I’m sure anyone who wants Scotland to have the right to a say yet again will be disgusted if Catalonia are denied at least one referendum on independence
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,349
BackRoomRummermill said:
Which is why Europe will not welcome the SNP , the Catalonian issue blocks it
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Because Spain is an EU member...doesn’t apply to the UK now.
 
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tisza

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  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,350
Sick Boy said:
Because Spain is an EU member...doesn’t apply to the UK now.
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EU won't allow that sort of political interference in another country's internal affairs. Would cause huge damage to the relationship with the rest of UK. Likes of Hungary and Poland would block that level of interference in domestic affairs.
 
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