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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (17 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Ian1779

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  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,281
The British Empire 2.0 starts today, piffle, waffle, bluster....
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,282
dubed said:
Apparently, we forgot to negotiate around seed potatoe farmers in Scotland.
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I'd never heard of it until today when one was on the radio, said his business was going to be in trouble after this as nearly all his trade is with the EU but other potato seed farmers did more custom in Africa, Egypt a particularly big customer apparently.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,283
Nick said:
Oh such a perfect day

Im gonna spend it with youuuuuuuuu

ps. Anybody want in on the group bulldog tat?
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Can it be wearing a jacket and a Union Jack waistcoat?
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,284
It’sabatch87 said:
Get over it,Move on with your life cheer up ffs!!
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Get over what? This is happening right now.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,285
Hopefully someone that knows what they are on about will be able to go over the actual agreement and come up with a nice summary of what we've gained and / or lost as I don't particularly trust any of the statements flying around at the moment.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,286
shmmeee said:
Get over what? This is happening right now.
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He seems to think that you can't be both happy there's a deal and still point to parts of it where it could be frankly shit.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,287
Liquid Gold said:
Can it be wearing a jacket and a Union Jack waistcoat?
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just below the 3 lions tat that looks more like 3 cats
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,288
chiefdave said:
Hopefully someone that knows what they are on about will be able to go over the actual agreement and come up with a nice summary of what we've gained and / or lost as I don't particularly trust any of the statements flying around at the moment.
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Yeah, 100% agree. Unfortunately it’s such a polarising subject that the here will no doubt be a slant on whatever is written about the deal.

I also think it will probably take time to see a number of the pros and cons of the deal, for example level playing field, we will only know when either side diverges

As it won’t deliver either extreme we all know it won’t be the end of of it for some...Farage will want a ‘Brexit means Brexit’ party and Major/Campbell/Heseltine will hope for a ‘Rejoin the EU and let’s have the Euro whilst we’re at it’ party.

I’m just relieved a deal is finally done and we as a country can hopefully move forward. If we fuck things up we’ve only not got ourselves to blame
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,289
CCFCSteve said:
If we fuck things up we’ve only not got ourselves to blame
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We'll find somebody else to, never fear
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,290
More detail will need to come out, but on face value this looks pretty good.

Now let's just get rid of this fucking virus and SBT can be about football again!
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,291
A big reason it is a shit deal

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,292
David O'Day said:
A big reason it is a shit deal

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Who knows... I think Lionel is probably right though, the City is a big enough beast to look after themselves.

I was reading the other day that whilst a fair few banks have set up additional operations in Europe and ridiculous amount of assets under management have been moved (percentage wise still not that big), since 2016 all have hired more UK employees rather than reducing UK operations

London retains finance jobs as Brexit fails to deliver blow to the City - CityAM

Again, let’s see how things pan out though
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,293
Not quite sure what people want or expect. I don't pretend to understand the finer points of it, I doubt many if any of us do, but surely whatever your standpoint on leave or remain, then we now have a deal. Many thought we'd exit without one and whilst I doubt it's perfect (for either side) it's something that means we'll notice very little change day to day.

You could therefore argue why bother? But we are where we are and I think that's been done to death over the last 4 years. Surely now we all need to give it our best chance, not for any political reasons but for the future of the country at arguably its lowest economical ebb through Covid, so hopefully all parties will unite behind the deal, but I doubt they will when there's plenty of cheap point scoring to go after.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,294
rob9872 said:
Not quite sure what people want or expect. I don't pretend to understand the finer points of it, I doubt many if any of us do, but surely whatever your standpoint on leave or remain, then we now have a deal. Many thought we'd exit without one and whilst I doubt it's perfect (for either side) it's something that means we'll notice very little change day to day.

You could therefore argue why bother? But we are where we are and I think that's been done to death over the last 4 years. Surely now we all need to give it our best chance, not for any political reasons but for the future of the country at arguably its lowest economical ebb through Covid, so hopefully all parties will unite behind the deal, but I doubt they will when there's plenty of cheap point scoring to go after.
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Those who are most likely to be opposed to it are members of the Tories themselves.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,295
rob9872 said:
Not quite sure what people want or expect. I don't pretend to understand the finer points of it, I doubt many if any of us do, but surely whatever your standpoint on leave or remain, then we now have a deal. Many thought we'd exit without one and whilst I doubt it's perfect (for either side) it's something that means we'll notice very little change day to day.

You could therefore argue why bother? But we are where we are and I think that's been done to death over the last 4 years. Surely now we all need to give it our best chance, not for any political reasons but for the future of the country at arguably its lowest economical ebb through Covid, so hopefully all parties will unite behind the deal, but I doubt they will when there's plenty of cheap point scoring to go after.
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It's definitely good to have a deal we can move forward from.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,296
Sick Boy said:
Those who are most likely to be opposed to it are members of the Tories themselves.
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Only one I’ve heard frothing is the old dog strangler
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,297
rob9872 said:
Not quite sure what people want or expect. I don't pretend to understand the finer points of it, I doubt many if any of us do, but surely whatever your standpoint on leave or remain, then we now have a deal. Many thought we'd exit without one and whilst I doubt it's perfect (for either side) it's something that means we'll notice very little change day to day.

You could therefore argue why bother? But we are where we are and I think that's been done to death over the last 4 years. Surely now we all need to give it our best chance, not for any political reasons but for the future of the country at arguably its lowest economical ebb through Covid, so hopefully all parties will unite behind the deal, but I doubt they will when there's plenty of cheap point scoring to go after.
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I've no doubt that as more detail emerges I will be of the opinion the deal is shit. However, we'll be out of the seemingly endless limbo of Brexit negotiations, hopefully the vaccination programs will be a resounding success and we can all start moving forward and getting on with life.
I'm actually feeling a bit optimistic about next year.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,298
Grendel said:
Only one I’ve heard frothing is the old dog strangler
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Give it time....
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #49,299
Sick Boy said:
Give it time....
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Just saw the interview with Andrew Field on Sky. Fuck me these fuckers are thick as mince. It's hilarious.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,300
chiefdave said:
Hopefully someone that knows what they are on about will be able to go over the actual agreement and come up with a nice summary of what we've gained and / or lost as I don't particularly trust any of the statements flying around at the moment.
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Would be an absolute waste of time on here. For the last few years it has been the same day after day.

Anti brexit? Only look for the bad news and ignore everything else. Rubbish anything that could be seen as good news.

Brexit supporters? Only look for the good news and ignore/try to rubbish the bad news.

So who could honestly say this will change?

Those of us that have looked at this without bias.....only a few of us......have called most things right. This includes a last minute deal which was always obvious but rubbished until the very end.

The negotiations haven't ended. They have just started. They will continue for years. What I do see is us being pulled back closer to the EU over the years. Pay money into the system. Preference given to those in the EU who want to move to the UK.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,301
Astute said:
Would be an absolute waste of time on here. For the last few years it has been the same day after day.
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Not true. You had a break for a while.

Merry Christmas
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,302
Astute said:
What I do see is us being pulled back closer to the EU over the years. Pay money into the system. Preference given to those in the EU who want to move to the UK.
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Think it's almost inevitable in time. Plus UK position will change from UK govt to UK govt.
Also going to be a period where EU is watching UK to see how it behaves before the hackles go down and things smooth out. Proviso will always remain that they don't want to create a situation where leaving the EU isn't an unattractive proposition for other member states.

EU has its own internal issues to sort out. Still an ongoing conflict about how unity is achieved. Those that believe focussing more decision-making and control in Brussels vs. those opposed to that. Brexit has temporarily unified EU but the pre-brexit issues haven't gone away.
 
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mrtrench

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  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,303
It's Christmas morning and hopefully the thing that happened 4 years ago is now settled. Life is too short; my advice FWIW is to forget this now and move on. I hope this thread is now finally allowed to die.

Happy Christmas everyone.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,304
mrtrench said:
It's Christmas morning and hopefully the thing that happened 4 years ago is now settled. Life is too short; my advice FWIW is to forget this now and move on. I hope this thread is now finally allowed to die.

Happy Christmas everyone.
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Absolutely no chance this thread dies!! Will probably be even more active as details emerge.
But totally agree, it's done at last. We can deal with what ever it throws up and move on.
Imagine what the referendum to rejoin will be like!?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,305
mrtrench said:
It's Christmas morning and hopefully the thing that happened 4 years ago is now settled. Life is too short; my advice FWIW is to forget this now and move on. I hope this thread is now finally allowed to die.

Happy Christmas everyone.
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Nope. Government has to own it, for better... or worse.

But it is Christmas, and even I have better things to do than debate the nuance today, of all days!

Merry Christmas.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,306
clint van damme said:
Absolutely no chance this thread dies!! Will probably be even more active as details emerge.
But totally agree, it's done at last. We can deal with what ever it throws up and move on.
Imagine what the referendum to rejoin will be like!?
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We can safely say there will never be a referendum to rejoin
 
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Ian1779

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  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,307
Grendel said:
We can safely say there will never be a referendum to rejoin
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We can agree on that - in the future we will be merely assimilated.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,308
Ian1779 said:
We can agree on that - in the future we will be merely assimilated.
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Most people’s lives will be hardly touched by it and people in the future will be more likely to ask why did we join at all
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,309
Grendel said:
We can safely say there will never be a referendum to rejoin
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The campaign has started!
Give it a rest please!!
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,310
clint van damme said:
The campaign has started!
Give it a rest please!!
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The Volt party. Sadly their spokesman's opening statement was what people will miss most was for British holidaymakers to be able to take their dogs with them on holidays to EU countries.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,311
clint van damme said:
The campaign has started!
Give it a rest please!!
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Indeed it has. Alistair and I’m sure his lapdog and classic snout in EU trough advocates Blair and Clegg will be along soon. Has Femi joined in yet?

 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,312
tisza said:
The Volt party. Sadly their spokesman's opening statement was what people will miss most was for British holidaymakers to be able to take their dogs with them on holidays to EU countries.
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Selective editing there - it's not their most important concern. From their spokesperson:

"Most of all, when we order Italian wine, we expect it to be Italian. When Italians buy our kippers, they expect them to be from the Isle of Man, what will happen to our food? Britain is a food-loving nation and that seems to have been forgotten. "
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,313
Grendel said:
Indeed it has. Alistair and I’m sure his lapdog and classic snout in EU trough advocates Blair and Clegg will be along soon. Has Femi joined in yet?

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Same people who think we should all forget about the Iraq war aren't letting go of this
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,314
dubed said:
Selective editing there - it's not their most important concern. From their spokesperson:

"Most of all, when we order Italian wine, we expect it to be Italian. When Italians buy our kippers, they expect them to be from the Isle of Man, what will happen to our food? Britain is a food-loving nation and that seems to have been forgotten. "
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Nevermind, there’s always spam fritters.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2020
  • #49,315
clint van damme said:
The campaign has started!
Give it a rest please!!
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They delivered the closest thing to a hard Brexit with their insistence on remain. Childish idiots.

Anyway, let's draw a line under it and move on now. The (Conservative) government by their own sales pitch is now fully accountable for every single law in this country.
 
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