Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
You know what the Brexiteers are like, in a state of perpetual anger at something
You know what the Brexiteers are like, in a state of perpetual anger at somethingAre people really getting angry because ROS isn’t Mart?
lol, you’re bloody well passed obsessed, aren’t youNo, I think.people are laughing at him for whoever he is. I personally think the style is very Terry Christianesque but I couldn't give toss who he is really. He's the big 'I am" on here right now and it's quite funny referring to racists, racists and racists.
Very true.It's beyond frustrating that the vocal number who wanted to remain part of the EU seem always to reduce the discussion to immigration - and worse, race (when they actually mean culture) - to the point where those that wanted to leave can no longer bother to raise debate over the number of strong reasons for not being part of the EU (whilst acknowledging the risks and challenges).
Brexiteers are all delighted at the situation. You still looking for the "gas the Jews" quote you squealed to everyone ? The one you made up ?You know what the Brexiteers are like, in a state of perpetual anger at something
Hey Ring,Hey Alan, check this out, get someone to read it out for you. This guy knows what he is talking about, calling out a few home truths at the London film awards ceremony. No disgusting rants about slashing boats up in the channel, just proper facts.
Joaquin Phoenix praised for Baftas racism speech
Hey, evening Alan. How’s the blood pressure? I’ll just pop over every now and again to check on your hyperventilationHey Ring,
thanks but I'm not interested in film awards.
You're a bit obsessed with race. Are you a racist ?
Hey, evening Alan. How’s the blood pressure? I’ll just pop over every now and again to check on your hyperventilation
It's beyond frustrating that the vocal number who wanted to remain part of the EU seem always to reduce the discussion to immigration - and worse, race (when they actually mean culture) - to the point where those that wanted to leave can no longer bother to raise debate over the number of strong reasons for not being part of the EU (whilst acknowledging the risks and challenges).
There are none.Give me 3 of those strong reasons. Can’t use ‘take back control’ though
Give me 3 of those strong reasons. Can’t use ‘take back control’ though
There are none.
What we're going to see now is a gradual tactical backing away from any & all promises & plans made by the brexiteers, which is exactly what they wanted in the first place. We already see it- Boris going off on one saying he won't be 'pushed around' by the EU today. The gameplan is to have the brexit they want, not the brexit you voted for, which will make a few people rich beyond rich, and mark my words, it will all be blamed on "the intransigence of our European friends" so that your average jingoistic guy on the street sees the EU as the enemy in all this.
And also, not many brexit voters will care, because they "just want it done"- some will- but mostly people won't care as long as brexit happens, the majority couldn't care less about deals as they "got their country back", whatever the hell that means.
Brexit voters- you got played & you're going to continue to be played all the way to crash out day, which is a nailed on inevitability.
Well we will see won't we. The only 'facts' we have so far instead of conjecture are that a number of promises made have already turned out to be bullshit, and this is after only a couple of days. I'd get used to that, there will be plenty more to come.You can’t say there are none ROS. You may disagree with people’s views but many had valid/strong reasons for voting leave. I think they were glossed over when I wrote these previously, however, these were genuine reasons why people voted that way. Only time will tell whether the referendum result addresses many/any of these, however, I suppose it’s kind of irrelevant now as we are where we are and it’s up to us as a country to make the most of it, rather than dwelling on the arguments of the past. Here’s a few anyway (apologies it I’m repeating some of Grendels):
The belief that uncontrolled net migration was having an immediate negative impact on public services and infrastructure ie housing a public services can’t keep up with the amount of those arriving. That’s not to say that over time migration can’t have a positive financial impact on the economy (and in turn public services etc). Also that this was helping to suppress wages for unskilled/low skilled workers
The belief that the current immigration system was unfair...why have a points based systems for skilled workers and/or workers that may add more value to the country from non EU nations (Africa, Asia, Australia, US etc) when pretty much anyone from the EU could come over.
No longer having to pay the net £10bn - £12bn annual contributions.
The belief that the EU were pushing towards an ever closer political union and whether we have opt outs or not, we were and would’ve continued to be on the periphery of the EU. Many also believing we have never had a vote to agree to be apart of this or not.
The belief that being in the EU had had a negative affect on industries their local area relied upon ie fishing.
In addition we all continue hear about the misinformed Leave voters, however, what about those on the remain side. Recently I’ve heard people complaining that leaving will impact the ability to travel to Europe...no it won’t, VISA free travel for up to 3 months is likely to remain (guessing sufficient for probably 95% of the country), requests can be made for longer. The ability to work in Europe - I appreciated it won’t be as easy as it was as more forms will need to be filled in but how many people still manage to do this to work in Australia, NZ and America ? In actual fact I’d imagine that the decision to leave could well improve the ability for the young to work in those non EU countries, hopefully partially mitigating the loss of FOM.
The main reason people voted to Remain (by some way) was the economy, many of whom would have been persuaded by the various negative projections (some extreme and unfounded). If these prove to be unfounded then it would be interesting to see whether the level of EU support remains at current levels. The fact is in the U.K, and across a lot of Europe a significant percentage of the population haven’t ever wanted/ dont want that close political union. From what I’ve seen, the EU has never tried to encourage a higher level of support by addressing many of these concerns.
As I said above, we are where we are, there is little benefit in dredging up the arguments of the past, I personally think we should all be doing our best to make the most of where we now find ourselves.
Hahahahaha. Hilarious . You'd know all about bullshit.Well we will see won't we. The only 'facts' we have so far instead of conjecture are that a number of promises made have already turned out to be bullshit, and this is after only a couple of days. I'd get used to that, there will be plenty more to come.
Well we will see won't we. The only 'facts' we have so far instead of conjecture are that a number of promises made have already turned out to be bullshit, and this is after only a couple of days. I'd get used to that, there will be plenty more to come.
unless we leave with no deal we will be and we will be getting benefits from those projects we are contributing to and on-going UK projects will get continued funding. This is one of the main points of negotiation in the divorce bill.If it was down to you, we'd still be paying into the EU's projects after we'd left.... even though they have fuck all benefits to us
If it was down to you, we'd still be paying into the EU's projects after we'd left.... even though they have fuck all benefits to us
Yes, exactly.We are. That’s what King Boris agreed: Brexit: the financial settlement - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament
You can’t say there are none ROS. You may disagree with people’s views but many had valid/strong reasons for voting leave. I think they were glossed over when I wrote these previously, however, these were genuine reasons why people voted that way. Only time will tell whether the referendum result addresses many/any of these, however, I suppose it’s kind of irrelevant now as we are where we are and it’s up to us as a country to make the most of it, rather than dwelling on the arguments of the past. Here’s a few anyway (apologies it I’m repeating some of Grendels):
The belief that uncontrolled net migration was having an immediate negative impact on public services and infrastructure ie housing a public services can’t keep up with the amount of those arriving. That’s not to say that over time migration can’t have a positive financial impact on the economy (and in turn public services etc). Also that this was helping to suppress wages for unskilled/low skilled workers
The belief that the current immigration system was unfair...why have a points based systems for skilled workers and/or workers that may add more value to the country from non EU nations (Africa, Asia, Australia, US etc) when pretty much anyone from the EU could come over.
No longer having to pay the net £10bn - £12bn annual contributions.
The belief that the EU were pushing towards an ever closer political union and whether we have opt outs or not, we were and would’ve continued to be on the periphery of the EU. Many also believing we have never had a vote to agree to be apart of this or not.
The belief that being in the EU had had a negative affect on industries their local area relied upon ie fishing.
In addition we all continue hear about the misinformed Leave voters, however, what about those on the remain side. Recently I’ve heard people complaining that leaving will impact the ability to travel to Europe...no it won’t, VISA free travel for up to 3 months is likely to remain (guessing sufficient for probably 95% of the country), requests can be made for longer. The ability to work in Europe - I appreciated it won’t be as easy as it was as more forms will need to be filled in but how many people still manage to do this to work in Australia, NZ and America ? In actual fact I’d imagine that the decision to leave could well improve the ability for the young to work in those non EU countries, hopefully partially mitigating the loss of FOM.
The main reason people voted to Remain (by some way) was the economy, many of whom would have been persuaded by the various negative projections (some extreme and unfounded). If these prove to be unfounded then it would be interesting to see whether the level of EU support remains at current levels. The fact is in the U.K, and across a lot of Europe a significant percentage of the population haven’t ever wanted/ dont want that close political union. From what I’ve seen, the EU has never tried to encourage a higher level of support by addressing many of these concerns.
As I said above, we are where we are, there is little benefit in dredging up the arguments of the past, I personally think we should all be doing our best to make the most of where we now find ourselves.
1. avoidance of further fiscal integration
2 no chance of political integration through further veto removal (which can be done by shifting the way it’s voted through an act or treaty)
3 no economic risk if euro collapses and this would have an impact on our budgets
4 removal of the ECJ
5 no contributions to EU projects which have zero benefit to the Uk
This is a good point. One thing that is regularly thrown around by brexit-types is "democracy! you aren't respecting democracy!" whereas their version of democracy seems to be "shut up & suck it up, loser! Nobody has any right to challenge anything any more, so naa naa, leftie"My old man voted Leave because he didn’t want to be in a European superstate. While he was exaggerating a bit I can accept further integration as a concern even if I have no issue with it myself. I do however find it a bit odd that you assume those of us who voted Remain did so because they were scared into it. We know that a hit is coming to the economy since all the rhetoric is about an unspecified future dividend.
For me I don’t see how flipping off Europe is important at a time when more cooperation is needed rather than less. I also can’t take immigration as a concern when most is non-EU and we could already send back EU migrants and EU migrants are net contributors. Cue ‘haha you lost’ but it was 52-48 and I don’t see why dissent or opposition has to be silenced.
My old man voted Leave because he didn’t want to be in a European superstate. While he was exaggerating a bit I can accept further integration as a concern even if I have no issue with it myself. I do however find it a bit odd that you assume those of us who voted Remain did so because they were scared into it. We know that a hit is coming to the economy since all the rhetoric is about an unspecified future dividend.
For me I don’t see how flipping off Europe is important at a time when more cooperation is needed rather than less. I also can’t take immigration as a concern when most is non-EU and we could already send back EU migrants and EU migrants are net contributors. Cue ‘haha you lost’ but it was 52-48 and I don’t see why dissent or opposition has to be silenced.
Not Brexit but never let it be said I don’t praise Boris where it’s due. I see they’re consulting on bringing the ICE car ban in five years earlier. I’d rather 2030 personally but progress is progress and it at least means we aren’t the worst in the developed world for such plans.
Is it true that we are the first of the G7 to legislate becoming net carbon neutral by 2050 ? (Sure I heard it somewhere). Appreciate many will think that’s too long but again it’s a good step in the right direction and no doubt many large businesses will be pushing to do their bit to beat this target. Just saw an interesting Sky advert detailing their aims on the subject
1. Project fear1. avoidance of further fiscal integration
2 no chance of political integration through further veto removal (which can be done by shifting the way it’s voted through an act or treaty)
3 no economic risk if euro collapses and this would have an impact on our budgets
4 removal of the ECJ
5 no contributions to EU projects which have zero benefit to the Uk
You know what the Brexiteers are like, in a state of perpetual anger at something
Oh yes you are, because he says you are !I'm a brexiteer and I'm not angry you FUCKING TWAT
It dropped right off immediately before we officially left, but since then the losers have been spitting nails. ROS keeps telling one and all they're stressed, having a bad day etc etc, as he swaggers around running things . He's a one man comedy act.This has to be pushing the longest off topic thread on any football forum ever
Sadly most of the corporate stuff is just PR fluff like planting trees or whatever. The big ones are transport and energy generation which need government intervention IMO.
But yeah: Carbon neutrality - Wikipedia
The U.K. has generally lead the world on this (and should considering it kinda caused the problem with the industrial revolution), my worry with targets 30 years away is current governments fee they can leave it to future ones. I like these kind of short term targets that focus minds.
Best thing they could do is stop playing silly buggers with solar and on shore wind and electric car grants/loans. The coalition basically cut the industry off at the knees for ideological reasons. Hoping Brexit means we see it as something to be world leaders on because we have all the right components.
Also hoping Boris’ Dad and missus have a word in his ear and he doesn’t listen to the mentalists and lobbyists in cabinet.
You're repeating what has been said on here for the last 3 years. Can you come up with anything new? How about the race card?Yes, exactly.
And thats the point, they have no idea what they voted for & they don't understand what they're going to get. Of course some people made informed decisions, and thats fine, but there can be little doubt that a whole lot more people had no clue what it was all about, were ignorant to the details and all they understood were the taglines about "taking back control" and "controlling our borders".
My God, Isn't the world unfair ? Still, you can put everything right on here.:emoji_laughing:There are none.
What we're going to see now is a gradual tactical backing away from any & all promises & plans made by the brexiteers, which is exactly what they wanted in the first place. We already see it- Boris going off on one saying he won't be 'pushed around' by the EU today. The gameplan is to have the brexit they want, not the brexit you voted for, which will make a few people rich beyond rich, and mark my words, it will all be blamed on "the intransigence of our European friends" so that your average jingoistic guy on the street sees the EU as the enemy in all this.
And also, not many brexit voters will care, because they "just want it done"- some will- but mostly people won't care as long as brexit happens, the majority couldn't care less about deals as they "got their country back", whatever the hell that means.
Brexit voters- you got played & you're going to continue to be played all the way to crash out day, which is a nailed on inevitability.
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