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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (11 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2017
  • #4,586
martcov said:
The people who were for leaving were people like Farage and the right of the Tory party and that wasn't just about economics. And yes, Tony Benn and his fan Corbyn were also against the Common Market, but for other reasons than nationalism.
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2017
  • #4,587
Astute said:
We do to EU residents. It is those from elsewhere that have a problem getting in. That is why we have slums in places like Calais. No human being should be treated like they are. You would get arrested if you treated an animal in the same way.
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No we don't. We can insist EU immigrants have a job and can restrict benefits. We just choose not to because immigration brings growth and growth let's the government use money for shit they like.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2017
  • #4,588
Astute said:
We do to EU residents. It is those from elsewhere that have a problem getting in. That is why we have slums in places like Calais. No human being should be treated like they are. You would get arrested if you treated an animal in the same way.
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They are choosing to live the way they are. They could seek to stay in any number of nice countries before they get to Calais...and then they choose to stay there

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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2017
  • #4,589
SkyblueBazza said:
They are choosing to live the way they are. They could seek to stay in any number of nice countries before they get to Calais...and then they choose to stay there

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I thought they wanted to come to Britain, but as we have a border on the French side of the tunnel they were stopped. What happens when the border moves to Dover and the French wash their hands of us?
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2017
  • #4,590
martcov said:
I thought they wanted to come to Britain, but as we have a border on the French side of the tunnel they were stopped. What happens when the border moves to Dover and the French wash their hands of us?
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That's right...they want to come to Britain for some bizarre reason. They're not likely to be made feel more welcome here as in Spain, Italy, France or Germany...the weather is geberally better in all those places and they may well have already passed through one of them to get here. So after all that they end up living in conditions possibly as bad as which they came from for an unspecified length of time to HERE. Why???

What do we have in such abundance that they want?

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martcov

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  • Jul 15, 2017
  • #4,591
SkyblueBazza said:
That's right...they want to come to Britain for some bizarre reason. They're not likely to be made feel more welcome here as in Spain, Italy, France or Germany...the weather is geberally better in all those places and they may well have already passed through one of them to get here. So after all that they end up living in conditions possibly as bad as which they came from for an unspecified length of time to HERE. Why???

What do we have in such abundance that they want?

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I thought a lot came to Germany recently and to Sweden. I was not referring to who wants to go where, but where are the people going to end up if they want to come to Britain, but are not stopped in France. The Calais problem becomes the Dover problem.

Enjoy.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2017
  • #4,592
martcov said:
I thought a lot came to Germany recently and to Sweden. I was not referring to who wants to go where, but where are the people going to end up if they want to come to Britain, but are not stopped in France. The Calais problem becomes the Dover problem.

Enjoy.
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Scaremongering again. Who are you? Tony Blair?

The Calais border to the U.K. Is a bilateral deal and has nothing to do with the EU. Yes your beloved EU doesn't like borders remember.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2017
  • #4,593
Kingokings204 said:
Scaremongering again. Who are you? Tony Blair?

The Calais border to the U.K. Is a bilateral deal and has nothing to do with the EU. Yes your beloved EU doesn't like borders remember.
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True but that could change of course.
Got to say I was pretty surprised that they closed the Jungle down to disperse the issue across the Country.
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2017
  • #4,594
wingy said:
True but that could change of course.
Got to say I was pretty surprised that they closed the Jungle down to disperse the issue across the Country.
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Still see isolated groups of Africans walking around near Calais. No prizes for guessing what they're there for.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 15, 2017
  • #4,595
Macron has already indicated that he wants to renegotiate the treaty. The swivel-eyed response of "go whistle" is unlikely to work.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2017
  • #4,596
Sick Boy said:
Macron has already indicated that he wants to renegotiate the treaty. The swivel-eyed response of "go whistle" is unlikely to work.
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Macron thinks of himself as the new Napolean. He seems to be enjoying a love in with Trump. Anyway you keep telling us the EU is a collective so the little emporers opinions aren't worth much are they?

So nice though to see you have an ally in your pro Euro stance. The Blair creature is back, you and him have so much in common.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2017
  • #4,597
Kingokings204 said:
Scaremongering again. Who are you? Tony Blair?

The Calais border to the U.K. Is a bilateral deal and has nothing to do with the EU. Yes your beloved EU doesn't like borders remember.
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Except the French see it differently and have talked about ending the bilateral agreement after Brexit.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2017
  • #4,598
Grendel said:
Macron thinks of himself as the new Napolean. He seems to be enjoying a love in with Trump. Anyway you keep telling us the EU is a collective so the little emporers opinions aren't worth much are they?

So nice though to see you have an ally in your pro Euro stance. The Blair creature is back, you and him have so much in common.
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It's Britain that wants control of it's borders. I think the French sentiment is ok, there you go, your back in Dover now. Enjoy.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,599
martcov said:
I thought a lot came to Germany recently and to Sweden. I was not referring to who wants to go where, but where are the people going to end up if they want to come to Britain, but are not stopped in France. The Calais problem becomes the Dover problem.

Enjoy.
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I don't know. I wasn't talking about any of that...just the fact that they choose to live in the conditions they are living in.

While I am thinking about your conundrum...the best policy would be to simply send them straight back to France...somewhere deep south like Nice. See how they deal with that!

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,600
Grendel said:
Macron thinks of himself as the new Napolean. He seems to be enjoying a love in with Trump. Anyway you keep telling us the EU is a collective so the little emporers opinions aren't worth much are they?

So nice though to see you have an ally in your pro Euro stance. The Blair creature is back, you and him have so much in common.
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Ahh yes, because Blair is the only pro-EU public figure. Still, if that's enough to 'have so much in common', then you're practically a hybrid of Trump and Farage.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,601
martcov said:
It's Britain that wants control of it's borders. I think the French sentiment is ok, there you go, your back in Dover now. Enjoy.
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It's funny that being outside of the EU means that it is going to be much more likely to happen. Perhaps, like with Spain, some Eurosceptic could hint at declaring war?

Also, those on here claiming it won't happen would be furious if the situation was reversed and calling it to end asap.

Not sure what their problem is though, he is just taking back control of their borders?
 
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  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,602
Sick Boy said:
Ahh yes, because Blair is the only pro-EU public figure. Still, if that's enough to 'have so much in common', then you're practically a hybrid of Trump and Farage.
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C'mon that's harsh.

On Trump and Farage.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,603
SkyblueBazza said:
I don't know. I wasn't talking about any of that...just the fact that they choose to live in the conditions they are living in.

While I am thinking about your conundrum...the best policy would be to simply send them straight back to France...somewhere deep south like Nice. See how they deal with that!

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Who is them? How do you send people to a country they don't want to go to and who is no longer your EU partner?
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,604
Is there seriously anyone who thinks Brexit is going to be good for the UK and make its citizens more prosperous?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,605
Sick Boy said:
Ahh yes, because Blair is the only pro-EU public figure. Still, if that's enough to 'have so much in common', then you're practically a hybrid of Trump and Farage.
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Well no one party of the 3 main parties wanted to have another referendum - how did they do in the election again?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,606
torchomatic said:
Is there seriously anyone who thinks Brexit is going to be good for the UK and make its citizens more prosperous?
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See poster of post 606.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,607
torchomatic said:
Is there seriously anyone who thinks Brexit is going to be good for the UK and make its citizens more prosperous?
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Only those who earn 6 figure + salaries.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,608
Grendel said:
Well no one party of the 3 main parties wanted to have another referendum - how did they do in the election again?
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Labour were tactically astute and outwitted your beloved Tories and diverted the attention away from Brexit. Funny that you seem to be fanatically agreeing with Corbyn and Mcdonell on this one though.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,609
martcov said:
Who is them? How do you send people to a country they don't want to go to and who is no longer your EU partner?
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1. 'Them' are the people that enter the country illegally
2. Just because someone wants to go somewhere doesn't mean they simply can (like I want a Country mansion...but nobody seems to let have one without conditions - such as money)...so we should deport them back to where they came from (France) to be dealt with, because they aren't seemingly bringing anything we necessarily want or need.

We have to do SOMETHING to put these people off, the alternative is a constant sizeable influx which could quickly lead to a population of 100million in 10yrs time if we leave it to you (tucked up in spacious Germany I think you've suggested) & your ilk.

And as I have said before - tight border controls work both ways, if EU countries become awkward with Brits going abroad then the same awkwardness can be returned.


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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,610
Sick Boy said:
Labour were tactically astute and outwitted your beloved Tories and diverted the attention away from Brexit. Funny that you seem to be fanatically agreeing with Corbyn and Mcdonell on this one though.
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Outwitted them so much they still fell 60 seats short.

I was always aware of Corbyn and Mcdonnells views on the EU. It's a shame those bright young things that voted for him weren't.

Still I see after Blair we are now subjected to Cleggs delusional rantings. It seems he believes we should have another referendum and under 30's vote twice.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 16, 2017
  • #4,611
Grendel said:
Outwitted them so much they still fell 60 seats short.

I was always aware of Corbyn and Mcdonnells views on the EU. It's a shame those bright young things that voted for him weren't.

Still I see after Blair we are now subjected to Cleggs delusional rantings. It seems he believes we should have another referendum and under 30's vote twice.
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I thought it was supposed to be a bloodbath and massive landslide?
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 17, 2017
  • #4,612
SkyblueBazza said:
1. 'Them' are the people that enter the country illegally
2. Just because someone wants to go somewhere doesn't mean they simply can (like I want a Country mansion...but nobody seems to let have one without conditions - such as money)...so we should deport them back to where they came from (France) to be dealt with, because they aren't seemingly bringing anything we necessarily want or need.

We have to do SOMETHING to put these people off, the alternative is a constant sizeable influx which could quickly lead to a population of 100million in 10yrs time if we leave it to you (tucked up in spacious Germany I think you've suggested) & your ilk.

And as I have said before - tight border controls work both ways, if EU countries become awkward with Brits going abroad then the same awkwardness can be returned.


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What is illegally? People who enter the country illegally are, or should be repatriated. The same in Germany. The problem starts with the sheer volume of cases where people try to prove they are there legally. Then comes the problem of possibly sending them back to somewhere where they may be in grave danger. Then there is the problem of countries who don't recognise their own citizens because they have conveniently thrown their passports away. Then comes the problem of countries just delaying the paperwork for returnees because they are glad they are abroad - either because they are known criminals or could send money home at some future point which would help the economy of their country.

Having a border at Calais saved the UK to an extent from these problems. If the border moves to Dover it could result in "refugee" camps there.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 17, 2017
  • #4,613
Grendel said:
Outwitted them so much they still fell 60 seats short.

I was always aware of Corbyn and Mcdonnells views on the EU. It's a shame those bright young things that voted for him weren't.

Still I see after Blair we are now subjected to Cleggs delusional rantings. It seems he believes we should have another referendum and under 30's vote twice.
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Were not the deluded ones the ones who thought Corbyn's labour would be wiped out? As for delusional rantings, I suspect much of the Brexit bullshit will continue to be exposed as time goes on, and that things like "independence day" and a "knighthood for Farage", will turn out to have been "delusional rantings".
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 17, 2017
  • #4,614
martcov said:
What is illegally? People who enter the country illegally are, or should be repatriated. The same in Germany. The problem starts with the sheer volume of cases where people try to prove they are there legally. Then comes the problem of possibly sending them back to somewhere where they may be in grave danger. Then there is the problem of countries who don't recognise their own citizens because they have conveniently thrown their passports away. Then comes the problem of countries just delaying the paperwork for returnees because they are glad they are abroad - either because they are known criminals or could send money home at some future point which would help the economy of their country.

Having a border at Calais saved the UK to an extent from these problems. If the border moves to Dover it could result in "refugee" camps there.
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So we need a solution to the problem - not problems to the solution. Sometimes solutions to many problems in the world are pretty unpalatable...like dropping bombs; placing sanctions on nations of people; execution; let the people starve - despite there being more palatable alternatives

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martcov

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  • Jul 17, 2017
  • #4,615
SkyblueBazza said:
So we need a solution to the problem - not problems to the solution. Sometimes solutions to many problems in the world are pretty unpalatable...like dropping bombs; placing sanctions on nations of people; execution; let the people starve - despite there being more palatable alternatives

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Which of the above do you think should apply to people trying to get into the U.K.?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 17, 2017
  • #4,616
martcov said:
Which of the above do you think should apply to people trying to get into the U.K.?
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Think he wants to bomb Calais!
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 18, 2017
  • #4,617
martcov said:
Which of the above do you think should apply to people trying to get into the U.K.?
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None. I am simply saying something must be done. Otherwise we risk being a very crowded island rapidly descending into an impoverished state within a couple of generations.
There are far better brains out there that are paid to come up with solutions to issues we face. Sometimes the decisions are a little draconian or unpalatable. They have to be.



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martcov

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  • Jul 18, 2017
  • #4,618
SkyblueBazza said:
None. I am simply saying something must be done. Otherwise we risk being a very crowded island rapidly descending into an impoverished state within a couple of generations.
There are far better brains out there that are paid to come up with solutions to issues we face. Sometimes the decisions are a little draconian or unpalatable. They have to be.



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We need an EU wide solution to mass immigration to Europe. The population of the planet is increasing and the climate is changing. Britain is an island which makes life easier, but we have to accept that we will have to share the burden/ impact - good or bad.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 18, 2017
  • #4,619
martcov said:
We need an EU wide solution to mass immigration to Europe. The population of the planet is increasing and the climate is changing. Britain is an island which makes life easier, but we have to accept that we will have to share the burden/ impact - good or bad.
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Legal & controlled fair enough

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martcov

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  • Jul 18, 2017
  • #4,620
SkyblueBazza said:
Legal & controlled fair enough

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Legal is open to interpretation. In accordance with the Geneva convention? The UNO? And or EU law? British law?

It will never be what I think you want. We trade with the world ( or did via the EU ) and that requires sticking to various laws if we want to trade. The laws probably won't fit in with your world view.

Compromises will have to be made and a large percentage of the population don't share your ( what I assume to be ) views. Even in Germany where you have the AfD screaming send them home, you have other people demonstrating against sending people back to Afghanistan etc..
 
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