Astute
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The links I showed are for those who ARE in employment. It isn't for those who have worked at some stage.
The links I showed are for those who ARE in employment. It isn't for those who have worked at some stage.From the ONS website and related links, the definition of employment itself is pathetic and contradictory:
How has his quote changed for yours but not mine when I quoted him before you.....But it still says the same as when I quoted him????
One hour? What are you saying?
I'm showing what the definition of employment for the purpose of those stats are (using the links to such information that are on the page you posted). Jesus Christ you really are Obtuse.The links I showed are for those who ARE in employment. It isn't for those who have worked at some stage.
So when did zero hour contracts start? Are they a Tory thing? Were they not counted in the past?What it's saying that somebody on a zero hours contract who is asked to work for over an hour a week is counted as employed (and contributing to this brilliant booming Tory economy)
"How can people live without guaranteed income - it’s awful"...no - it's benefitsCompletely agree, the employment figures will include zero hour contracts which should be scrapped. How can people live without guaranteed income - it’s awful.
As for the comment on job losses, this will surely happen once we leave the EU. Isn’t this now an accepted point from leave supporting parties? Our GDP will not track at the same levels as staying in the EU, and Bojo’s deal is worse than Mays.
Is that right? Sorry for showing you to be wrong. But will do it again.I'm showing what the definition of employment for the purpose of those stats are (using the links to such information that are on the page you posted). Jesus Christ you really are Obtuse.
So when did zero hour contracts start? Are they a Tory thing? Were they not counted in the past?
"How can people live without guaranteed income - it’s awful"...no - it's benefits
There has (always?) been a significant effort to massage & misrepresent figures. I agree the ZHCs is one of them. They should ban them imo, then people wouldn't take them...& instead those businesses would have to find a better way - like enrichment of roles rather than oh-so specific task oriented (or dumbed-down as I prefer to call it) roles.
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That is the point, the data has become so complex to suit businesses & politicians over the years that without few along through piles government-speak bollocks, most people just see/hear the headline.Look at my post above, the employment statistics are utter nonsense and completely misleading. They do tally though with the UK's poor productivity statistics.
The stats methods are fine. They’re set internationally to be comparable with other countries.
"How can people live without guaranteed income - it’s awful"...no - it's benefits
There has (always?) been a significant effort to massage & misrepresent figures. I agree the ZHCs is one of them. They should ban them imo, then people wouldn't take them...& instead those businesses would have to find a better way - like enrichment of roles rather than oh-so specific task oriented (or dumbed-down as I prefer to call it) roles.
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They are set to the lowest standard to measure it too as that suits government of all shapes & sizes
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Is this trying to put bad spin on the record employment when we were told we would see masses of newly unemployed if we voted leave?
So do we have record employment AND record unemployment? Getting silly now.
The number is coming down. It is presently 850k approx. But that is 850k too many.No, they're not a specific Tory thing by any means but they are a thing and have grown from 168k people in 2010 to 896k in 2019, that's 530%. If the Tories are going to keep claiming record increases in employment then they own such an increase in the rise of ZHC.
The number is coming down. It is presently 850k approx. But that is 850k too many.
There is also a lot of hypocrisy on the subject
Labour council employs one in ten staff on zero hours contracts despite Jeremy Corbyn's vow to ban them
You do know that he’s voted for brexit more times than Boris?
Haha good riddance, shame he didn't 3 years ago
What i do know is that he's a knobYou do know that he’s voted for brexit more times than Boris?
Zero hours took over from agency work. I have not always been in good employment. I used to have to work for agencies. No such thing as paid holiday or sick pay. I had to work up to and around 100 hours a week to survive. As well as that I put myself through getting qualifications which got me my present job.No it’s just an incomplete data set and the thing that is always excluded from discussion of employment figures is the type of employment. More than ever it is part time, zero hours or temporary. Getting a job is not necessarily enough to protect someone from poverty, as we’ve discussed before.
Agreed. TBH there are jobs where a ZHC is necessary and well practiced, e.g. hospital bank staff.
Zero hours took over from agency work. I have not always been in good employment. I used to have to work for agencies. No such thing as paid holiday or sick pay. I had to work up to and around 100 hours a week to survive. As well as that I put myself through getting qualifications which got me my present job.
Thankfully zero hour contracts look to be in their way out. But I do know how shit the situation is. I plan to retire in 3 years, 5 months 2 weeks. Someone young will take my place. Everyone who can afford to retire should do. But fir some it is their life and they stay as long as they can even though they don't need the money.
It is needed in hospitality. It suits some people like students. But they don't suit the family person unless it is a working mother allowed to choose her hours around the children for example .Agreed. TBH there are jobs where a ZHC is necessary and well practiced, e.g. hospital bank staff.
Not as much as when I was a teen or in my 20's. The only work you could get was agency work. I always went for whoever paid the most however shit the job was. But like I said not even any holiday pay. To have a holiday you had to nit just pay for the holiday but also save up enough to cover the missing wage.Agency work is still very much a thing. Most of my mates suffer from it.
Maybe so but he still voted for Brexit when Boris didn’t. So at least he’s a Brexit voting knob as opposed to a voting against Brexit knob. Like Boris.What i do know is that he's a knob
Why?What i do know is that he's a knob
Why?
The biggest knob of all is Jo Swinson surely ? Don't really refer to women as knobs but she's the exception.Maybe so but he still voted for Brexit when Boris didn’t. So at least he’s a Brexit voting knob as opposed to a voting against Brexit knob. Like Boris.
Here we go again . Brexit voters = thickies.Not Brexity enough.
See, politics used to be confusing for a bear of little brain such as Dom, but now he only needs to remember: Brexit: good, No Brexit: bad.
He doesn’t even need to remember which people are which, cos he has someone to tell him.
The biggest knob of all is Jo Swinson surely ? Don't really refer to women as knobs but she's the exception.
Not as much as when I was a teen or in my 20's. The only work you could get was agency work. I always went for whoever paid the most however shit the job was. But like I said not even any holiday pay. To have a holiday you had to nit just pay for the holiday but also save up enough to cover the missing wage.
Yeah like I say, I’ve got several good mates in their late 30s who have only ever done agency work because that’s all they can get. Working for the likes of Barclays and Lear.
The biggest knob of all is Jo Swinson surely ? Don't really refer to women as knobs but she's the exception.
Something someone on twitter did make me laugh - it said she’s like the captain of the school hockey club - loud, obnoxious and ugly but has big tits so gets the shag anyway
'Go on national TV and say that'
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