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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (12 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,256
Grendel said:
It won’t be. The lines on Brexit are pretty much set

A lot of the campaigning will be on other issues - especially the opposition
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What is set that will go through though?

There isn't enough support in parliament to push anything through. The GE could change this. The vast majority will vote for what they want in Brexit.

My wife was saying about the expats all getting together to register to vote. The Lib Dems will get a boost. Of course the parties will offer us what they won't give us. Happens each time.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,257
Astute said:
What is set that will go through though?

There isn't enough support in parliament to push anything through. The GE could change this. The vast majority will vote for what they want in Brexit.

My wife was saying about the expats all getting together to register to vote. The Lib Dems will get a boost. Of course the parties will offer us what they won't give us. Happens each time.
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the party lines are pretty set

Tories will put through their deal
Labour will amend with a CU and a referendum
Lib Dem is no Brexit

won’t be a discussion at all in Scotland or Ireland
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,258
Astute said:
He won't come out straight with saying Labour will lose with him in charge. But you are the only one who seems to even think he has a chance. Even the millenniums don't rate him that highly

Jeremy Corbyn popularity & fame | YouGov
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Where have I said he has a chance? I’ve repeatedly said I expect a Tory majority but anyone who claims to be able to predict what’s going to happen is likely wrong as there’s so many variables.

Ive given the reasons Corbynites want an election.

You’re getting beyond parody now. Answer what people actually say.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,259
Grendel said:
Not really as since 2017 they have not had a majority
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Pffft, details.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,260
Astute said:
Will leavers vote for a remain party? Will remainers vote for a leave party?
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Obviously an incredibly small sample size but there is no way I’m voting Conservative so my answer would be yes.

In fact no idea who I will vote for. Had the same problem with the last couple of local elections, none of the options are particularly appealing.

Interestingly my Mum, a life long Conservative voter who also voted leave, fully intends to vote Labour for the first time in her life.

Of course as we’re both in Coventry South who we vote for is pretty meaningless anyway, as it is for anyone not in one of the swing constituencies.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,261
So is no deal off the table?
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,262
shmmeee said:
Where have I said he has a chance?

Ive given the reasons Corbynites want an election.

You’re getting beyond parody now. Answer what people actually say.
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You said you know he thinks he will win. He isn't that deluded.....is he?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,263
clint van damme said:
So is no deal off the table?
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In theory no
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,264
Grendel said:
Not really as since 2017 they have not had a majority
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Except they did.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,265
SkyBlueDom26 said:
You afraid of the election coming up?
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No?

Im not an MP, why would I be afraid?
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,266
chiefdave said:
Obviously an incredibly small sample size but there is no way I’m voting Conservative so my answer would be yes.

In fact no idea who I will vote for. Had the same problem with the last couple of local elections, none of the options are particularly appealing.

Interestingly my Mum, a life long Conservative voter who also voted leave, fully intends to vote Labour for the first time in her life.

Of course as we’re both in Coventry South who we vote for is pretty meaningless anyway, as it is for anyone not in one of the swing constituencies.
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It is clear you want us to remain. So of course you won't vote Tory.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,267
Astute said:
You said you know he thinks he will win. He isn't that deluded.....is he?
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I don’t “know” anything, I can made educated guesses based on what I’ve read.

And yes, yes he or more accurately the people around him, are that deluded. Since 2017 they think they can ignore everything because the polls and PLP got it wrong then.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,268
clint van damme said:
So is no deal off the table?
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Was off the table weeks ago. But nothing would surprise me these days.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,269
Astute said:
It is clear you want us to remain. So of course you won't vote Tory.
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even if they adopted a remain or referendum stance I’d still vote Tory
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,270
Astute said:
It is clear you want us to remain. So of course you won't vote Tory.
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And yet again you make the mistake of assuming I voted remain in the referendum.
 
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Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,271
shmmeee said:
I don’t “know” anything, I can made educated guesses based on what I’ve read.

And yes, yes he or more accurately the people around him, are that deluded. Since 2017 they think they can ignore everything because the polls and PLP got it wrong then.
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Did Labour win?

This time it is about 37% Tory 22% Labour. Only 6 weeks to go.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,272
Astute said:
You said you know he thinks he will win. He isn't that deluded.....is he?
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he thinks he will have the same bounce he did last time. Major believed it in 97 even though everyone knew he was screwed
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,273
chiefdave said:
And yet again you make the mistake of assuming I voted remain in the referendum.
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I didn't say how you voted. I said what you want. And you do want to remain.

Nothing wrong in changing your mind.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,274
Astute said:
Are you saying not a biased view?
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I thought I’d given up teaching how to parse information, but I’ll make an exception for you.

All media is biased. The trick isn’t avoiding biased media, it’s accounting for those biases and triangulating with info from other biases.

NS and LL are relatively balanced in that they give space to both wings of the party. Open Labour for example are very anti Corbyn and Novara and RedRoar the opposite. Commentators like Stephen Bush are very good at presenting a neutral view IMO.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,275
Astute said:
Did Labour win?

This time it is about 37% Tory 22% Labour. Only 6 weeks to go.
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Am I Jeremy Corbyn or his team??

Is that the mistake you’re making?

For clarity, I am not. Glad we’ve cleared that up.

Seriously dude, learn to read.

And last time May was further ahead. For clarity this is not my view. This is the view of those who think Labour can win.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,276
Astute said:
I didn't say how you voted. I said what you want. And you do want to remain.
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Not particularly. If there was another referendum I'd probably vote remain as I don't think its worth the level of hassle we have experianced however my preference would be for Johnson to stop finding ways to delay and get on with getting us out, preferably on a Norway type deal.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,277
shmmeee said:
I thought I’d given up teaching how to parse information, but I’ll make an exception for you.

All media is biased. The trick isn’t avoiding biased media, it’s accounting for those biased and triangulating with info from other biases.

NS and LL are relatively balanced in that they give space to both wings of the party. Open Labour for example are very anti Corbyn and Novara and RedRoar the opposite. Commentators like Stephen Bush are very good at presenting a neutral view IMO.
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All polls have been consistent. There of course is always a percentage of doubt. But the gap is massive. The Lib Dems have taken a lot of votes off Labour. The big question is can Labour get them back. But with Corbyn still in charge?
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,278
chiefdave said:
Not particularly. If there was another referendum I'd probably vote remain as I don't think its worth the level of hassle we have experianced however my preference would be for Johnson to stop finding ways to delay and get on with getting us out, preferably on a Norway type deal.
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The problem is that we don't have a clue what sort of deal there would be if we do leave.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,279
clint van damme said:
So is no deal off the table?
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No. Even if Boris’ deal has got through if at the end of the transitional period and everything else hasn’t been agreed and no extension of the transitional period is agreed we can still crash out without a deal. Because Boris has delayed everything again we’re barely at the beginning of the beginning. There’s plenty of opportunity to crash out without a deal yet.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,280
Will Communist Corbyn finally reveal the Brexit plan now then? Will be interesting to see if he deserts the leave voters
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,281
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Will Communist Corbyn finally reveal the Brexit plan now then? Will be interesting to see if he deserts the leave voters
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Which policies on Labour's last manifesto would you consider communist?
You still haven't answered my earlier question regarding the revelations regarding the NHS in last night's dispatches program.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,282
Astute said:
All polls have been consistent. There of course is always a percentage of doubt. But the gap is massive. The Lib Dems have taken a lot of votes off Labour. The big question is can Labour get them back. But with Corbyn still in charge?
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MY VIEW:

I think tactical voting will be huge. Labour being so far behind helps anti-Corbyn remainers justify lending them their vote because he won’t get in.

The Leave vote in interesting. They aren’t as politically engaged and may be less likely to vote tactically instead making an emotional vote for BXP or they may swing behind Boris. How Farage approaches it will matter, the message seems to be “Vote BXP in the North and Tory in the South” and that may work, or as we saw in Stoke it may split the vote and let Labour in because while Corbyn is hated, Farage and Johnson are also unpopular in their own right.

The student vote and turnout are huge variables. Brexit voters in working class areas are not practiced voters and this will matter. Labours ground game is always good and BXP have suffered from a lack of it.

The result could be anything from another hung parliament (as they’ve virtually all been since the crash) to a whopping Tory majority or anything in between. Personally I don’t know. Though I suspect a hung parliament because the U.K. electorate is the biggest troll of them all.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,283
clint van damme said:
Which policies on Labour's last manifesto would you consider communist?
You still haven't answered my earlier question regarding the revelations regarding the NHS in last night's dispatches program.
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Several policies are very left of centre and proposed union changes would increase powers which is highly disturbing

Channel 4 is a left wing news agency. It may as well be sponsored by putin
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,284
Grendel said:
Several policies are very left of centre and proposed union changes would increase powers which is highly disturbing

Channel 4 is a left wing news agency. It may as well be sponsored by putin
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Left of centre and strong trade unions aren't typically associated with communism.
T
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,285
clint van damme said:
Left of centre and strong trade unions aren't typically associated with communism.
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they are with Marxism
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,286
shmmeee said:
MY VIEW:

I think tactical voting will be huge. Labour being so far behind helps anti-Corbyn remainers justify lending them their vote because he won’t get in.

The Leave vote in interesting. They aren’t as politically engaged and may be less likely to vote tactically instead making an emotional vote for BXP or they may swing behind Boris. How Farage approaches it will matter, the message seems to be “Vote BXP in the North and Tory in the South” and that may work, or as we saw in Stoke it may split the vote and let Labour in because while Corbyn is hated, Farage and Johnson are also unpopular in their own right.

The student vote and turnout are huge variables. Brexit voters in working class areas are not practiced voters and this will matter. Labours ground game is always good and BXP have suffered from a lack of it.

The result could be anything from another hung parliament (as they’ve virtually all been since the crash) to a whopping Tory majority or anything in between. Personally I don’t know. Though I suspect a hung parliament because the U.K. electorate is the biggest troll of them all.
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A fair summary. Although I think the Lib Dems will do a bit better than predicted. But I can see the Lib Dems and Labour letting the Tories in.
 
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  • Oct 29, 2019
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Astute said:
A fair summary. Although I think the Lib Dems will do a bit better than predicted. But I can see the Lib Dems and Labour letting the Tories in.
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I really wish they'd see their way to some sort of pact.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,288
Astute said:
A fair summary. Although I think the Lib Dems will do a bit better than predicted. But I can see the Lib Dems and Labour letting the Tories in.
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Its going to be an interesting election night, that’s for sure.

In some ways I hope Boris gets his massive majority. At least then we move on and get back to bread and butter stuff. I’m resigned to another ten years of the Tories anyway until MechaBlair turns up to make Labour electable again.
 
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shmmeee said:
Its going to be an interesting election night, that’s for sure.

In some ways I hope Boris gets his massive majority. At least then we move on and get back to bread and butter stuff. I’m resigned to another ten years of the Tories anyway until MechaBlair turns up to make Labour electable again.
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Question. If he did get his nassive majority, would he ignore the hardcore mentalists in his party, and revert to moderate wishy washy Tory?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,290
Deleted member 5849 said:
Question. If he did get his nassive majority, would he ignore the hardcore mentalists in his party, and revert to moderate wishy washy Tory?
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Johnson isn’t a Tory - he’s a pathetic left minded liberal
 
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