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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (18 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,116
Astute said:
I agree they don't. I don't think there would be that many upset if Scotland voted to leave the UK. We have taken most of their oil money off them. What other use do some people see them as being?
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Not true Scotland receives more per head funding as a consequence of the Barnett formula than anywhere else except for Northern Ireland. It's what has made the flagship policies north of the border financially viable while the likes of North East England gets about half of the money. Though if we want to move back to drawing lines on maps and saying 'everyone on this side is like this and everyone on the other side is like that', let's go for it
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,117
shmmeee said:
Saw something earlier that SNP want an election before Salmonds trial in January. Which would explain their rush.
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I read something about the Tories wanting it before the annual flu epidemic hits in January when traditionally they get slated for their failures in the NHS.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,118
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not true Scotland receives more per head funding as a consequence of the Barnett formula than anywhere else except for Northern Ireland. It's what has made the flagship policies north of the border financially viable while the likes of North East England gets about half of the money. Though if we want to move back to drawing lines on maps and saying 'everyone on this side is like this and everyone on the other side is like that', let's go for it
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I’m not sure I could cope if we roll Scottish independence into this thread as well
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,119
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Make your mind up
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Corbyn is not a unionist what are you on about he’s happily let Scotland go and abandoning the unionists in Ireland would be a lifelong dream fulfilled
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,120
skybluetony176 said:
I read something about the Tories wanting it before the annual flu epidemic hits in January when traditionally they get slated for their failures in the NHS.
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Apparently there’s a bit of a split about whether to do it before or after Brexit, I hadn’t heard that one but it’s a possibility.

As I said earlier, every side is playing silly buggers and no one seems to have the national interest at heart.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,121
shmmeee said:
Labour won Stoke.

A lot of the Brexit vote is soft. Either non voters or those with bigger priorities.
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Labour won many more areas that voted leave than remain. That is a fact.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,122
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not true Scotland receives more per head funding as a consequence of the Barnett formula than anywhere else except for Northern Ireland. It's what has made the flagship policies north of the border financially viable while the likes of North East England gets about half of the money. Though if we want to move back to drawing lines on maps and saying 'everyone on this side is like this and everyone on the other side is like that', let's go for it
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What isn't true? The Scottish oil money went to the UK government. Now we pay so Scotland gets free prescriptions. But we don't. If Scotland voted for independence they wouldn't get a massive amount of money each year.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,123
Astute said:
Labour won many more areas that voted leave than remain. That is a fact.
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Im lost. Surely that proves that Brexit vote isn’t a determining factor or they’d have lost those seats?
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,124
shmmeee said:
Im lost. Surely that proves that Brexit vote isn’t a determining factor or they’d have lost those seats?
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They were re-elected in 2017 on the basis there would be no second referendum and they’d back leave. Try telling the voters in Doncaster circumstances have changed when they’ve rejected about 5 versions of Brexit already
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,125
shmmeee said:
I’m not sure I could cope if we roll Scottish independence into this thread as well
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When I lived up there I rented a house with a Yes voter. His prediction was that a No vote would happen, the union would limp on for a bit longer then lose a second time round. Seems Brexit will do just that-so pointless.
 

ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,126
Threat of Brexit could mean no pigs in blankets this Christmas
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,127
ccfc92 said:
Threat of Brexit could mean no pigs in blankets this Christmas
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Cue Brighton and Shmmeee meltdown
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,128
Come on the Corbyn you chicken!!! Lets have an election, even the lib dems are behind it
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,129
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Come on the Corbyn you chicken!!! Lets have an election, even the lib dems are behind it
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We've had an election, get over it.
 
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Gazolba

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,130
I can't believe the EU has agreed to another extension.
Their indecision is just as bad as ours.
They should have just kicked us out.
 

ccfc92

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,131
Gazolba said:
I can't believe the EU has agreed to another extension.
Their indecision is just as bad as ours.
They should have just kicked us out.
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Imagine the reaction from these EU lovers if that happened.


 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,132
ccfc92 said:
Imagine the reaction from these EU lovers if that happened.


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Imagine the reaction from those Brexit lovers.

 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,133
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Cue Brighton and Shmmeee meltdown
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Too right!

I fucking love pigs in blankets.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,134
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Come on the Corbyn you chicken!!! Lets have an election, even the lib dems are behind it
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How many times? The people in Labour against an election are the anti-Corbyn PLP. They’re on your side!

Corbynites think he’s the messiah and will pull it round.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,135
Gazolba said:
I can't believe the EU has agreed to another extension.
Their indecision is just as bad as ours.
They should have just kicked us out.
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They're just doing what we asked.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,136
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Cue Brighton and Shmmeee meltdown
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Might run out of my SkyBlueConDom26Pack
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,137
OK, there's too much ridiculous posturing going on. Explain to this bear of little brain why holding an election three days earlier stops a no-deal Brexit?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,138
Changed my mind. No Deal now!!

 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,139
Deleted member 5849 said:
OK, there's too much ridiculous posturing going on. Explain to this bear of little brain why holding an election three days earlier stops a no-deal Brexit?
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It doesn’t. Yellow Tories of all flavours gonna yellow Tory.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,140
shmmeee said:
Changed my mind. No Deal now!!

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I take it back won't need any SkyBlueConDoms for that
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,141
Deleted member 5849 said:
OK, there's too much ridiculous posturing going on. Explain to this bear of little brain why holding an election three days earlier stops a no-deal Brexit?
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Presume it’s on the basis that if the remain parties win enough seats they will ensure ‘no deal’ doesn’t happen.

Facts appear to be....

Tories want Brexit done pre election so they could say they delivered and remove risk of Brexit party. Won’t happen now. Best alternative is to accept Lib Dem/SNP proposal and argue ‘vote us back in and we’ll deliver Brexit by end of January on current WA’ - labour can’t deliver this with renegotiation and second referendum promises (and more delay)

labour wanted an election for a long time but when they knew they were unlikely to win a majority they believed best option was to stifle Brexit and government (hoping Johnson would eventually fuck up...not unreasonable assumption !) Corbyn would ideally prefer Brexit done prior to election though to focus on other policies and burst Brexit Party and Lib Dem bubbles.

SNP need an election before Alex Hammond sexual assault case in Jan

Lib Dem’s need an election before Brexit to benefit from remain labour and Tory votes (and current high polling)

Well, it’s certainly interesting times still !
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,142
Deleted member 5849 said:
We've had an election, get over it.
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We've had a referendum as well......
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,143
CCFCSteve said:
Presume it’s on the basis that if the remain parties win enough seats they will ensure ‘no deal’ doesn’t happen.
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That'd happen on the 12th, anyway. Why three days?
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,144
skybluetony176 said:
Extension confirmed until 31st of January.

(edit) Although we can leave sooner if a deal gets through Parliament. Best thing Boris can do then is push for the earliest possible GE to avoid delaying Brexit any longer than necessary. Like the remainers are trying to push through.
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So the remainers are trying to push through a GE early (3 days) so we can avoid delaying Brexit any longer than necessary?

Either your interpretation of the strategy leave a lot to be desired...or you have swallowed someone else's bullshit again



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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,145
Deleted member 5849 said:
OK, there's too much ridiculous posturing going on. Explain to this bear of little brain why holding an election three days earlier stops a no-deal Brexit?
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I don’t get it either
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,146
CCFCSteve said:
SNP need an election before Alex Hammond sexual assault case in Jan

Lib Dem’s need an election before Brexit to benefit from remain labour and Tory votes (and current high polling)

Well, it’s certainly interesting times still !
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,147
Deleted member 5849 said:
That'd happen on the 12th, anyway. Why three days?
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They want the students to be able to vote more easily ie before they head home for Xmas (apparently). Not sure I get it to be honest
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,148
SkyblueBazza said:
So the remainers are trying to push through a GE early (3 days) so we can avoid delaying Brexit any longer than necessary?

Either your interpretation of the strategy leave a lot to be desired...or you have swallowed someone else's bullshit again



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Why do you think Johnson put his deal in limbo after it passed second reading out of interest?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,149
CCFCSteve said:
They want the students to be able to vote more easily ie before they head home for Xmas (apparently). Not sure I get it to be honest
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Makes no sense. They’d be there on Monday but not on Thursday?

I think they both want one this side of Xmas and this prevents the bill being debated. But then Boris doesn’t want it debated anyway.

It’s all very strange.

There is of course the possibility that our politicians of all stripes aren’t the political masterminds we assume.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,150
shmmeee said:
Why do you think Johnson put his deal in limbo after it passed second reading out of interest?
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Guessing he thought deep down it wouldn’t get through without heavy amends/further delays. Not sure I quite agree with his strategy ie if unsuccessful tonight, I’d separate out the election and WAB votes (before 8 Nov)....revised WAB timetable probably wouldn’t get through anyway but at least he could say he had tried
 
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