shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Fair point
Only one thing wrong with that post. It is all 3 sides.
Should've gone straight for a referendum on May's deal once parliament couldn't solve it. Even now, should cut out the negotiation and go for a referendum on the current deal. Renegotiation reads to certain meatheads as a devious attempt to delay before revoking, it's also overly complex. Playing for a quick (relatively!) resolution would play better with the general electorate, I feel.Name a better one that isn’t revoke or Johnson’s managed no deal
Legally binding 2nd ref, I've been arguing for it for the best part of a year and we could've had one by now in the total time Brexit has been extended for.
Legally binding 2nd ref, I've been arguing for it for the best part of a year and we could've had one by now in the total time Brexit has been extended for.
Should've gone straight for a referendum on May's deal once parliament couldn't solve it. Even now, should cut out the negotiation and go for a referendum on the current deal. Renegotiation reads to certain meatheads as a devious attempt to delay before revoking, it's also overly complex. Playing for a quick (relatively!) resolution would play better with the general electorate, I feel.
You’ve posted a fact check to defend Corbyn which pretty much gives up on defending his independence regarding the IRA
in the end the British public are far more considered than you fine them credit for and will deliver a verdict on Mr Corbyn in December
then we will see who is correct on this
Should've gone straight for a referendum on May's deal once parliament couldn't solve it. Even now, should cut out the negotiation and go for a referendum on the current deal. Renegotiation reads to certain meatheads as a devious attempt to delay before revoking, it's also overly complex. Playing for a quick (relatively!) resolution would play better with the general electorate, I feel.
By legally binding do you mean by passing parliament? That’s illegal isn’t it?
You're a moron, get over it.Best of 10 is it??? You'll keep wanting one till you win (which will never happen)
Best of 10 is it??? You'll keep wanting one till you win (which will never happen)
Between what and what?
1, Why is it always the terrorist that he has sympathy for?Come on. At worst you can say he’s a naive leftie who tries too hard to back the underdogs. He wasn’t out there with bombs FFS. Also, again, 30 odd years ago. The fact you have to go back that far suggests it’s not the strongest argument.
What are you afraid he’ll do?
Do you ever stop deflecting? Answer directly-were you wrong with your 2017 prediction?
1, Why is it always the terrorist that he has sympathy for?
2, Why did he always show sympathy for terrorists killed even when they were planting bombs but always refused to show sympathy for those who were totally innocent including women and children killed by bombs and guns?
You're a moron, get over it.
Campaigning on that but also committing to implement it aren't necessarily contradictory however.Yeah I’d accept that personally, but then you’d be saying they’ll implement a deal they’ve spent the last three years saying is shit and will damage the country.
By legally binding I mean pushing through the legislation for a legally binding referendum.
Campaigning on that but also committing to implement it aren't necessarily contradictory however.
what does legally binding mean? For ever?
That is only because the British public will never put Corbyn in a position of authority.Brexit and the Tory handling of it has done much more to destabilise the UK than Mr Corbyn in the last 3 years.
That is the Lib Dem way.There was no Labour deal on the table last time. The current position is to negotiate a deal then allow MPs to campaign against it. It's a shite policy
It means with immediate effect we would leave or revoke.
It means with immediate effect we would leave or revoke.
with respect you have been deflecting - we were discussing mr Corbyn and his links to terrorist organisations. Dom raised it and I supplied some links and you also provided one that agrees he supports an organisation that endorsed mass murderer in the uk
I don't think so, we already had a vote thank you
I don't think so, we already had a vote thank you
What was the outcome?
Which of the infinite Brexits has public support?
That is only because the British public will never put Corbyn in a position of authority.
If you think that the public still wants it you'll have no objection to another vote. If you want some finality to this bullshit you'll also have no objection.
With respect this is bullshit. I asked him for direct comments from Corbyn and he provided none-nor have you. You try to use guilt by association but don't apply the same principle to other politicians. The link provides no such evidence.
Corbyn has been the subject of more bogus media stories than any other UK politician since he became Labour leader. Claims have had to be retracted because to all intents and purposes they were libellous. There are so much better arguments against him than these efforts to paint him as an IRA lieutenant
I can't see any renegotiation happening. What has been offered is all that will be offered. Take it or leave it. Leave it means leave without an agreement/revoke article 50/another referendum. Take it means leave the EU then start talking about a deal.Should've gone straight for a referendum on May's deal once parliament couldn't solve it. Even now, should cut out the negotiation and go for a referendum on the current deal. Renegotiation reads to certain meatheads as a devious attempt to delay before revoking, it's also overly complex. Playing for a quick (relatively!) resolution would play better with the general electorate, I feel.
What is baseless? Corbyn refusing to say anything about the innocent women and children killed? If so how many links would you like?O
1) One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Powerful states don’t tend to need to resort to guerilla tactics.
2) This is baseless.
This is as silly as saying why does Johnson support killing Muslim babies.
I can't see any renegotiation happening. What has been offered is all that will be offered. Take it or leave it. Leave it means leave without an agreement/revoke article 50/another referendum. Take it means leave the EU then start talking about a deal.
I already mentioned my concerns with that approach (over complexity, not playing well to an electorate as it seems you're trying to do something behind their back), and that doesn't mean the current position is contradictory, either. it does mean it's hard to explain and sell. It's not the Grendels of this world you need to sell it to, it's the middle of the roaders and if they don't get it, they won't vote for it.And neither is renegotiating and then asking the people what’s best?
tbf they also said May's deal was the definitive final answer. If some of the red lines were relaxed (as with dumping on NI and the DUP, this time around) the EU might be amenable, especially with a different make-up of parliament.I can't see any renegotiation happening. What has been offered is all that will be offered. Take it or leave it. Leave it means leave without an agreement/revoke article 50/another referendum. Take it means leave the EU then start talking about a deal.
That would be for a later date when negotiations finally start. That would be after leaving. What I said is I can't see any more changing of the agreement to us leaving. Not unless it was to stop us from leaving without an agreement. And I can't see that happening. I don't even think we will leave.Nah. If we asked for a closer relationship we’d get it.
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