Astute
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But like I said the EU can't afford Turkey to join the EU. They have had enough basket cases join already. And we won't be there to help pay to make a mess of their country like we have with others like Greece.
But like I said the EU can't afford Turkey to join the EU. They have had enough basket cases join already. And we won't be there to help pay to make a mess of their country like we have with others like Greece.Turkey has been "joining"the EU for 30 years, they have to agree some 20 odd conditions before they can join, they've only started discussions on a dozen of those and come to an agreement in that time on zero, they won't recognise Cyprus which is a massive hurdle they'll have to get over if they join, they even withdrew from talks altogether while Cyprus held the EU presidency and their human rights record was a problem when it was improving and it's got worse in the last eight years or so under the current regime. They're further away from joining now than they were when they first applied to join.
But like I said the EU can't afford Turkey to join the EU. They have had enough basket cases join already. And we won't be there to help pay to make a mess of their country like we have with others like Greece.
So when were we a basket case and when did we suddenly have one of the worlds strongest economies?
Why do you try to twist the truth to make a point?Turkeys government debt as a percentage is about half of ours and their growth rate is higher than ours. Whose the basket case? Us or them?
If you was old enough you would remember the strikes and how bad things got because the unions were too strong.IMF bailout in 1976
At a guess, the economy became a lot more robust around the time Major left and Blair took over.
If you was old enough you would remember the strikes and how bad things got because the unions were too strong.
Once everyone got back to work things improved quite quickly. Nothing to do with the EU.
Why do you try to twist the truth to make a point?
tradingeconomics.com/turkey/unemployment-rate
Hahaha! You seem to pick and choose when the EU has an effect to suit your argument. Laughable.
You may look & find the same evidence about somewhere like Afghanistan (I haven't looked) or in 10yrs time Syria - you have to consider the base they're starting from. You don't have to walk far in almost every direction from the glitziest parts of Istanbul before you think you've entered a scene from 'Live & Let Die'Turkeys government debt as a percentage is about half of ours and their growth rate is higher than ours. Whose the basket case? Us or them?
We were in the Common Market in 1976 not the EU as it is now but an agreement based on trade with the major European countries.
Corbyn even voted to get out of that a year earlier.
Back in the 70's there wasn't what we know as the EU. There was the common market. That is what we joined. We didn't join the EU.Hahaha! You seem to pick and choose when the EU has an effect to suit your argument. Laughable.
And missed out that they have a high unemployment rate. But you try to say that they are doing better than us :smuggrin:I haven't twisted anything, I've highlighted two crucial elements to the survival of any economy. You've said Turkey is a basket case that would be a burden on us if they joined the EU while we're still in it but the truth is when you're using two of the major yardsticks they're doing better than us in some respects. It's all a pointless argument anyway because as I've pointed out, Turkey are further away from joining the EU than they were when they initially applied. Without a major shift in human rights and political freedom from the opposite direction that they're currently heading in it ain't ever going to happen and that's before you even mention Cyprus. Turkey was a red herring used by the out campaign, what baffles me is why you're still using it, it would be akin to me saying that the EU has stopped WW3, it's bollocks. Never going to happen.
Back in the 70's there wasn't what we know as the EU. There was the common market. That is what we joined. We didn't join the EU.
Can you explain how the EU saved us when it didn't exist?
And missed out that they have a high unemployment rate. But you try to say that they are doing better than us :smuggrin:
1, When have I said that the EU is evil? I have stated that I think I am better off being in the EU. I also didn't vote for Brexit.Can you explain how the UK became the 5th largest economies, despite being in the evil EU?
And missed out that they have a high unemployment rate. But you try to say that they are doing better than us :smuggrin:
One more thing. It wasn't me who brought Turkey into this.
If we didn't put net approx 10 billion pounds into the EU each year we would have more money to put where it needs.A country whose public sector workers are forced to rely on food banks has nothing to boast about. I guess that's the fault of the EU though as well this time.
1, When have I said that the EU is evil? I have stated that I think I am better off being in the EU. I also didn't vote for Brexit.
2, How could the EU have saved us when it didn't exist?
Just like millions of job losses and financial meltdown would happen if we voted leave. But as usual you only mention the lies from the Brexit lot. But they all fed us bullshit.The example of Turkey was one of the main points on Leave's literature.
If we didn't put net approx 10 billion pounds into the EU each year we would have more money to put where it needs.
You tried to make out that the EU saved us.Then why are we arguing for in the first place?! I didn't say it did, I said the IMF bailout did, and the Common Market, which merged into the EU, aided the UK's economy.
Just like millions of job losses and financial meltdown would happen if we voted leave. But as usual you only mention the lies from the Brexit lot. But they all fed us bullshit.
Just back from the beach myself. Gonna be a nice day here.If you're relying on these issues to be fixed once outside the EU, you're going to be disappointed.
Anyway, off to the beach to enjoy the 30c sun. Have a nice day.
But only mention the lies from the Brexit lot.Always said both sides were not honest and the remain campaign was weak and ineffective.
And missed out that they have a high unemployment rate. But you try to say that they are doing better than us :smuggrin:
One more thing. It wasn't me who brought Turkey into this.
Turkeys government debt as a percentage is about half of ours and their growth rate is higher than ours. Whose the basket case? Us or them?
Ah......OKI never said that they were doing better than us. I was just pointing out that when you take crucial yard sticks of the measure of any economy if they're a basket case what are we.
You certainly jumped on the Turkey band wagon and like I said, it's a red herring. I made that clear in my first post on Turkey at the top of the page, you then started to bring economies into it. If they were a glowing beacon of wealth that would relieve our financial contributions to the EU should they join and we remained I'd still be making my original point. Unless something drastically changes direction for Turkey they ain't joining and that looks so unlikely it doesn't look like they'll ever join.
If we didn't put net approx 10 billion pounds into the EU each year we would have more money to put where it needs.
We were in the Common Market in 1976 not the EU as it is now but an agreement based on trade with the major European countries.
Corbyn even voted to get out of that a year earlier.
Ah......OK
If someone owes 5k but struggles day to day to put food on the table they are seriously in debt. If someone owes 10k but has lots of spare cash each month and can easily afford the repayments then they are not seriously in debt.
How would you like to twist it this time?
And your point is?
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