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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (31 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,661
Grendel said:
Of course he can propose it and the US can decide through the ballot box if they want this or not
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Medicare for All has support from even a majority of Republicans and with the American public overall it’s as high as 70%. The only way Bernie isn’t going to win is if he loses in the primary.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,662
djr8369 said:
This claim I just quoted once already





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Do you know the research Brighton refers to?
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,663
Grendel said:
Do you know the research Brighton refers to?
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No. Does it relate to your claim?


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Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,664
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Medicare for All has support from even a majority of Republicans and with the American public overall it’s as high as 70%. The only way Bernie isn’t going to win is if he loses in the primary.
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I think you are going to be in for a major disappointment - again - start getting some media conspiracy theories ready - you’ve got a year to make them up
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,665
Grendel said:
Ah yes it’s the media’s fault and everyone is thick and taken in by it.

the media is a scapegoat for the rejection of hard left policies.

in the end the public are smarter than you give them credit for and fortunately a lot more street smart
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The evidence would suggest otherwise. The media has massive influence over public thought and it’s disingenuous to argue the opposite. These are not ‘hard left’ policies, in Europe they are pretty vanilla fare.

Oxbridge graduates in expensive suits using posh accents and long words-all it takes
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,666
skybluetony176 said:
Didn’t well know socialist Margret Thatcher describe New Labour as her greatest success?
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Make sense

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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,667
Grendel said:
I think you are going to be in for a major disappointment - again - start getting some media conspiracy theories ready - you’ve got a year to make them up
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I will very gladly wager with you that if Bernie wins the primary he will win the presidency. Shame we didn’t wager in 2017...
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,668
djr8369 said:
No. Does it relate to your claim?


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lol

yes it clearly does and my claim is that the voter does not prioritise these rather obscure issues

the key valuations are always the same and Corbyn is viewed in all polls as being worse than Johnson in managing the economy
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,669
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The evidence would suggest otherwise. The media has massive influence over public thought and it’s disingenuous to argue the opposite. These are not ‘hard left’ policies, in Europe they are pretty vanilla fare.

Oxbridge graduates in expensive suits using posh accents and long words-all it takes
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show me that evidence
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,670
Grendel said:
lol

yes it clearly does and my claim is that the voter does not prioritise these rather obscure issues

the key valuations are always the same and Corbyn is viewed in all polls as being worse than Johnson in managing the economy
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Corbyn would collapse the economy with all that borrowing he plans:smuggrin:
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,671
Sick Boy said:
No thanks got much better things to do. If you think New Labour were socialist then fair enough but I disagree.
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But again...this is just you latching onto something that YOU THINK/WISH someone has said so that you can take issue with them because either you have taken issue with something they have said before or they have taken issue with something you have said.

It's a sad obsession.

And I suspect you do not have anything better to do because you seem to spend an awful lot of time doing it.

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Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,672
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Corbyn would collapse the economy with all that borrowing he plans:smuggrin:
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Brighton asked someone to name three hard left policies a while ago. I named five without even having to try and I don’t think I even bothered to look at the horrific union legislation being considered so we can all go back to the 70’s
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,673
Grendel said:
show me that evidence
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The evidence being that public perception of major issues is wide of the mark, especially on immigration. Immigration became the key issue during the Brexit referendum and highlighted the impact of sustained right wing media dialogue.

The general public vote Tory then ask why the police are disappearing and why their children are in classes of 35
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,674
Grendel said:
lol

yes it clearly does and my claim is that the voter does not prioritise these rather obscure issues

the key valuations are always the same and Corbyn is viewed in all polls as being worse than Johnson in managing the economy
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Lol?

So the research Brighton uses to say Corbyn policies are popular actually backs up your claim that
Grendel said:
people don’t not vote for labour because of an lack of awareness they have such policies but because they know basic needs such as employment stability and economic management will be ruined if they get into power
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Interesting conclusion to draw.

Are you now changing your claim from the general point above to one that BJ is seen as more competent on the economy than Corbyn and you’re backing this up with poll data? But I thought poll data was just “silly research”?






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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,675
Grendel said:
Brighton asked someone to name three hard left policies a while ago. I named five without even having to try and I don’t think I even bothered to look at the horrific union legislation being considered so we can all go back to the 70’s
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I don’t remember you giving one never mind 5
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,676
Grendel said:
Brighton asked someone to name three hard left policies a while ago. I named five without even having to try and I don’t think I even bothered to look at the horrific union legislation being considered so we can all go back to the 70’s
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just the typical hard left rubbish from Brighton, Coumminust Corbyn lover
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,677
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Corbyn would collapse the economy with all that borrowing he plans:smuggrin:
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Do you think the economy is at risk with the borrowing Johnson has planned for all the promises he has made of spending money?


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Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,678
djr8369 said:
Lol?

So the research Brighton uses to say Corbyn policies are popular actually backs up your claim that


Interesting conclusion to draw.

Are you now changing your claim from the general point above to one that BJ is seen as more competent on the economy than Corbyn and you’re backing this up with poll data? But I thought poll data was just “silly research”?






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You do realise this research from Brighton was pan European and not restricted to the uk?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,679
SkyBlueDom26 said:
just the typical hard left rubbish from Brighton, Coumminust Corbyn lover
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Same question name 3 hard left policies
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,680
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The evidence being that public perception of major issues is wide of the mark, especially on immigration. Immigration became the key issue during the Brexit referendum and highlighted the impact of sustained right wing media dialogue.

The general public vote Tory then ask why the police are disappearing and why their children are in classes of 35
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No that’s just an anecdotal view and of course means if that is the case than the big bad Torys would be gone in December
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,681
Grendel said:
You do realise this research from Brighton was pan European and not restricted to the uk?
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So it seems even less likely to back up your claim that

Grendel said:
people don’t not vote for labour because of an lack of awareness they have such policies but because they know basic needs such as employment stability and economic management will be ruined if they get into power
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Why would pan European research suggest why voters don’t vote labour?


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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,682
Grendel said:
You do realise this research from Brighton was pan European and not restricted to the uk?
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That was one of many polls done on the subject
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,683
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Same question name 3 hard left policies
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I named several before and you oddly vanished for a while
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,684
Grendel said:
No that’s just an anecdotal view and of course means if that is the case than the big bad Torys would be gone in December
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We’re still waiting for the research that backs up your anecdotal claims.


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Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,685
djr8369 said:
So it seems even less likely to back up your claim that



Why would pan European research suggest why voters don’t vote labour?


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lol they didn’t - it was a poll commissioned that had nothing to do with voting labour
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,686
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Same question name 3 hard left policies
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Shutting down private schools, shutting down migrant detention centers, deluded green deals regarding carbon
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,687
djr8369 said:
We’re still waiting for the research that backs up your anecdotal claims.


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whose “we”?
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,688
Grendel said:
lol they didn’t - it was a poll commissioned that had nothing to do with voting labour
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So why did you suggest it backs up your argument as to why people don’t vote labour?


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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,689
djr8369 said:
So why did you suggest it backs up your argument as to why people don’t vote labour?


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People won't vote for labour mainly because of communist Corbyn
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,690
Grendel said:
whose “we”?
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The people reading this thread...?


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Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,691
djr8369 said:
So why did you suggest it backs up your argument as to why people don’t vote labour?


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I didn’t I said it was irrelevant
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,692
Grendel said:
No that’s just an anecdotal view and of course means if that is the case than the big bad Torys would be gone in December
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It’s not anecdotal polling has been done to survey public perception of key issues compared to the reality. Then we have Osborne admitting the 2010 bullshit and David Cameron’s adviser on TV bragging about him wearing an armband to win support from ‘scum’. More recently you have immigration cited as the biggest factor in people voting Leave despite most immigration being non EU combined with the strongest correlation being level of education.

The general public is a bit thick-there is no controversy to be had
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,693
Grendel said:
I named several before and you oddly vanished for a while
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Genuinely don’t remember-can’t spend all my time glued to the site unfortunately
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,694
djr8369 said:
The people reading this thread...?


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so you want me to get a poll that shows that the Tories are more trusted on economy and crime and these are higher priority in an election than getting more paternity leave?
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 25, 2019
  • #44,695
Grendel said:
I didn’t I said it was irrelevant
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I asked you if it relates to your claim and you said “yes it clearly does”. This seems the opposite of irrelevant.


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