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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (6 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,276
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Long term (like a generation type long term) I can see us looking to rejoin due to economic and geopolitical circumstances surrounding Russia and China. But like you say if we apply to rejoin we'll definitely be in a weaker position than now and won't have half the influence we did when we joined the first time - the terms will pretty much be dictated to us.

Conversely, given how NI has been treated in recent discussions, Scotland has largely been ignored and Wales has pretty much been forgotten, there is a strong case that Scotland will push for and gain independence, those pushing for Irish unification will be emboldened and this will encourage Wales to push for independence (although likely to start with just asking for a bigger say if Scotland left).

Ironically the thing Brexit will ultimately break up is Britain.
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Jeremy Corbyn has pretty much indicated he will allow Scotland a referendum regardless of Brexit status if he was PM and he clearly has always wanted Irish unification
 
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Grappa

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,277
Hyper-partisan whataboutery. That's uk politics today.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,278
I’d just like to take this opportunity to point out that Boris is in fact a grown man, our PM and currently presiding over one of the most important processes in living memory.

PM to pull Brexit bill if timetable not approved

If you don’t let me win I’m going to take my ball back. What an absolute child.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,279
skybluetony176 said:
I’d just like to take this opportunity to point out that Boris is in fact a grown man, our PM and currently presiding over one of the most important processes in living memory.

PM to pull Brexit bill if timetable not approved

If you don’t let me win I’m going to take my ball back. What an absolute child.
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Behaved nowhere near as appallingly as the remainer Mp's not willing to enforce what the majority voted for and trying to slow it down and stop it at every hurdle.... I'd say thats 'childish' from a bunch of idiots... At least Boris is trying his hardest in a virtually impossible position
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,280
skybluetony176 said:
I’d just like to take this opportunity to point out that Boris is in fact a grown man, our PM and currently presiding over one of the most important processes in living memory.

PM to pull Brexit bill if timetable not approved

If you don’t let me win I’m going to take my ball back. What an absolute child.
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Why is his response to everything akin to it’s my ball and I’m going home?
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,281
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Behaved nowhere near as appallingly as the remainer Mp's not willing to enforce what the majority voted for and trying to slow it down and stop it at every hurdle.... I'd say thats 'childish' from a bunch of idiots... At least Boris is trying his hardest in a virtually impossible position
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Are you referring to the same Boris Johnson who repeatedly voted against the Withdrawal Agreement?
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,282
chiefdave said:
Are you referring to the same Boris Johnson who repeatedly voted against the Withdrawal Agreement?
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God you remainers are boring
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,283
chiefdave said:
Why is his response to everything akin to it’s my ball and I’m going home?
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It isn’t. The leader of the opposition has already said he is opposed to it also he’s clearly had time to read it

Actually he came to that conclusion 20 minutes before it was published. The SNP and Undems are also against it. So what’s to read?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,284
chiefdave said:
Are you referring to the same Boris Johnson who repeatedly voted against the Withdrawal Agreement?
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how about the leader of the opposition whose always opposed every European treaty and the Undem who wanted a referendum 10 years ago?
 

ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,285
skybluetony176 said:
I’d just like to take this opportunity to point out that Boris is in fact a grown man, our PM and currently presiding over one of the most important processes in living memory.

PM to pull Brexit bill if timetable not approved

If you don’t let me win I’m going to take my ball back. What an absolute child.
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,286
SkyBlueDom26 said:
God you remainers are boring
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Find it quite funny being labelled a remainer when that’s not how I voted.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,287
chiefdave said:
Find it quite funny being labelled a remainer when that’s not how I voted.
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Why are you so anti Boris all the time then, literally reply to all my comments with something about how he didn't vote for Mays deal
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,288
Grendel said:
It isn’t. The leader of the opposition has already said he is opposed to it also he’s clearly had time to read it

Actually he came to that conclusion 20 minutes before it was published. The SNP and Undems are also against it. So what’s to read?
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What’s that got to do with anything? Lab want a CU and SNP and Dems want to revoke so of course they reject it. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be scrutinised if you want it to go through.



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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,289
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Behaved nowhere near as appallingly as the remainer Mp's not willing to enforce what the majority voted for and trying to slow it down and stop it at every hurdle.... I'd say thats 'childish' from a bunch of idiots... At least Boris is trying his hardest in a virtually impossible position
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Ther is the counter argument that parliament want to scutinise the deal in detail to ensure it is OK. It is after all something that will change the constitution and thus the British way of life for generations.

Whereas Alexander is effectively having a tantrum because everyone won't just do what he wants like a spoiled child. Not signing the Benn Act letter was nothing more than an act of petulance.

Threatening to withdraw the Bill is like a child asking for their picture to be put on the fridge and the parent saying "I'll do it in a minute. Right now I'm trying to ensure I don't burn dinner for everyone" and the child's reaction is tearing their picture up and walking off in a huff.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,290
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Why are you so anti Boris all the time then, literally reply to all my comments with something about how he didn't vote for Mays deal
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He’s pointing out what a hypocrite BJ is. Don’t need to be a remainer to do that.


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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,291
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Why are you so anti Boris all the time then, literally reply to all my comments with something about how he didn't vote for Mays deal
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Because you keep on going on about how much he's trying to do to ensure Brexit. Up until he became PM he's been one of the main ones stopping it. He could've voted for this deal (or one almost identical but probably slightly better) months ago. He didn't. Because he wanted to be PM and voting for it wouldn't help him do that. Brexit means nothing to him other than how it helps him achieve his personal ambitions.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,292
djr8369 said:
What’s that got to do with anything? Lab want a CU and SNP and Dems want to revoke so of course they reject it. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be scrutinised if you want it to go through.



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They have already said no though hilariously after Mr Corbyn said it’s party policy he was ignored by a couple of senior MPs - his own brexit spokesman has a totally different view and one idiot on the politics show didn’t even know you could have a free trade deal without being in the custom union

what’s to debate when he’s stated he’s against it?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,293
Grendel said:
Jeremy Corbyn has pretty much indicated he will allow Scotland a referendum regardless of Brexit status if he was PM and he clearly has always wanted Irish unification
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It’s fair enough if they both want it.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,294
How about we have a second referendum with either No Deal or Boris deal? Seems fair don't it
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,295
Grendel said:
They have already said no though hilariously after Mr Corbyn said it’s party policy he was ignored by a couple of senior MPs - his own brexit spokesman has a totally different view and one idiot on the politics show didn’t even know you could have a free trade deal without being in the custom union

what’s to debate when he’s stated he’s against it?
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It’s a good job the tories have party unity isn’t it.

What’s to debate, well all of it? Regardless of whoever is against it it could go through in which case it needs to be analysed.


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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,296
SkyBlueDom26 said:
God you remainers are boring
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You lost (the argument) get over it
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,297
SkyBlueDom26 said:
How about we have a second referendum with either No Deal or Boris deal? Seems fair don't it
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How about one with Remain and fire all Leave voters into the sun?
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,298
shmmeee said:
You lost (the argument) get over it
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HAHAHAHA the irony in that, only loser is you and the remoaner brigade
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,299
Sick Boy said:
It’s fair enough if they both want it.
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Is it? So what’s the issue with Johnson then?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,300
SkyBlueDom26 said:
HAHAHAHA the irony in that, only loser is you and the remoaner brigade
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Nah. I can move countries and earn enough to be cushioned from any economic impact.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,301
shmmeee said:
Nah. I can move countries and earn enough to be cushioned from any economic impact.
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where to? Wales?
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,302
shmmeee said:
Nah. I can move countries and earn enough to be cushioned from any economic impact.
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Fucking hell, calm down money man
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,303
Doesn't everyone find people like 'Ian Blackford' ironic....


SNP ask: 'What on Earth are we doing?'

The SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford asks "what on Earth are we doing" in pushing through the Withdrawal Agreement Bill in three days.

Calling for longer scrutiny of the legislation, he says: "Let this House do its job."


How about do your job by implementing what the majority voted for.... funny how they rush so much to try and get brexit blocked but when its the other way round they complain... guys an absolute tosser
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,304
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Fucking hell, calm down money man
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I am calm. That’s the point. The only losers in Brexit will be those that can’t afford the cost of living increases. Thanks to the educational disparities between the voter bases, that’s mostly Leavers.

Politically you guys challenge the Lib Dem’s for the chocolate teapot awards. Short term it’ll be leaver jobs going and they’ll be the ones hit hardest with price rises, long term we’ll end up back in the EU with an even worse deal.

#bants
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,305
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Doesn't everyone find people like 'Ian Blackford' ironic....


SNP ask: 'What on Earth are we doing?'

The SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford asks "what on Earth are we doing" in pushing through the Withdrawal Agreement Bill in three days.

Calling for longer scrutiny of the legislation, he says: "Let this House do its job."


How about do your job by implementing what the majority voted for.... funny how they rush so much to try and get brexit blocked but when its the other way round they complain
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Scotland voted 62% Remain you lemon.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,306
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Why are you so anti Boris all the time then
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Because he's a mentalist who's unfit to run the country?
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,307
SkyBlueDom26 said:
At least Boris is trying his hardest in a virtually impossible position
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As did May before him. Shame he kept voting with the remainers to block brexit isn’t it.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,308
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Doesn't everyone find people like 'Ian Blackford' ironic....


SNP ask: 'What on Earth are we doing?'

The SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford asks "what on Earth are we doing" in pushing through the Withdrawal Agreement Bill in three days.

Calling for longer scrutiny of the legislation, he says: "Let this House do its job."


How about do your job by implementing what the majority voted for.... funny how they rush so much to try and get brexit blocked but when its the other way round they complain... guys an absolute tosser
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But isn't part of their job implementing what the majority voted for scrutinising the bill to ensure it does that? I can see in future if/when this bill passes and there are things in it that leavers don't like them blaming parliament for not realising it didn't do what they wanted.

Technically if you want them to implement what was voted for, the WA should be rejected and the UK just leave without a deal.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,309
Deleted member 5849 said:
Because he's a mentalist who's unfit to run the country?
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Oh yeah Corbyn and his communist buddies are so much better
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,310
chiefdave said:
Why is his response to everything akin to it’s my ball and I’m going home?
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And this comes after 3 days of bragging that they have the numbers to get it passed. He’s starting to very much come across like Jay from inbetweeners.
 
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