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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,206
Grendel said:
So perhaps you’d like to explain how the withdrawal of the order paper from the government and today’s reasons by the speaker for not allowing the reading of the act are reconcilable under his justification today?
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Because the bill passed on Saturday sets the agenda. He’s just made sure it’s happening as per his remit. The real issue doesn’t seem to be one of impartiality. The issue seems to be that he’s not showing partiality to the government, which isn’t in his remit.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,207
Bumbling buffoon Bercow blocks Brexit. Bollocks.
That took me most of the afternoon to come up with that bit of alliteration.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,208
skybluetony176 said:
According to Kiar Starmer on Andrew Marr yesterday the opposition believes that the deal has a trap door for a no deal brexit and as Boris and co’s reputations go before them no one trusts them to vote for the deal and then the legislation required to complete it. Thus forcing a no deal brexit, by “accident” of course.
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Don't know what he's worried about. Stephen Barclay has said in parliament today we should just trust the government to get everything done in time.

Not like its taken us 40 months to get to this point. Don't know why anyone would be concerned about not getting everything else done in the next 14 months.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,209
chiefdave said:
Don't know what he's worried about. Stephen Barclay has said in parliament today we should just trust the government to get everything done in time.

Not like its taken us 40 months to get to this point. Don't know why anyone would be concerned about not getting everything else done in the next 14 months.
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then as mr Johnson allowed the opposition could have extended this timetable?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,210
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Bumbling buffoon Bercow blocks Brexit. Bollocks.
That took me most of the afternoon to come up with that bit of alliteration.
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Bovine Boris’ Brexit blocked by bumbling Bercow belies Brexiteer brittleness
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,211
chiefdave said:
Don't know what he's worried about. Stephen Barclay has said in parliament today we should just trust the government to get everything done in time.

Not like its taken us 40 months to get to this point. Don't know why anyone would be concerned about not getting everything else done in the next 14 months.
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It took him what? 2 weeks of serious negotiations to agree this deal. Why didn’t he prioritise this when he came into power? We could have potentially been 2 months further down the road than we are today if the PM hadn’t treated it like a game.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,212
shmmeee said:
Bovine Boris’ Brexit blocked by bumbling Bercow belies Brexiteer brittleness
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Oh for God's sake someone always has to go one better !
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,213
Well done Caroline Flint and I hope enough of her party cowering in fear of momentum can do the right thing tomorrow

Channel 4 hysteria suggests they may win the day and force this through
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,214
I'm assuming this has already been posted on here?

Watch Boris Johnson tell the DUP in 2018 he would never put border in the Irish Sea - today he put a border in the Irish Sea
 
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lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,215
Grendel said:
Well done Caroline Flint and I hope enough of her party cowering in fear of momentum can do the right thing tomorrow

Channel 4 hysteria suggests they may win the day and force this through
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Only in the shit we are now because of the Tories cowering in fear from UKIP as was, and Brexit Party as now.

Name all the Labour MP"s who have been deselected by the Momentum Marxists or had their whip withdrawn from them?

Now, hope your typing finger is fit enough, name all the Tory MP's who have been deselected or had their whip withdrawn.

Now, get
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,216
lordsummerisle said:
Only in the shit we are now because of the Tories cowering in fear from UKIP as was, and Brexit Party as now.

Name all the Labour MP"s who have been deselected by the Momentum Marxists or had their whip withdrawn from them?

Now, hope your typing finger is fit enough, name all the Tory MP's who have been deselected or had their whip withdrawn.

Now, get
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Are we allowed to include the MPs who’ve left the party due to its anti Semitic stance?

The purge will also of course happen when the election is called and it will be brutal
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,217
skybluetony176 said:
According to Kier Starmer on Andrew Marr yesterday the opposition believes that the deal has a trap door for a no deal brexit and as Boris and co’s reputations go before them no one trusts them to vote for the deal and then the legislation required to complete it. Thus forcing a no deal brexit, by “accident” of course.

Boris has done nothing by choice to speed the Brexit process up, just the opposite. We could be a lot further down the road now if he’d have treated Brexit with the urgency needed to give the Halloween deadline a chance. We’d probably still have had the bill blocking no deal and the Letwin bill but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say we could have been a week or maybe 2 ahead of where we are today had Boris not pissed around. Today is just another example of that and that’s before you even get into the illegal proroguing of Parliament which if he had have gotten away with it would have put us even further back.
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Starmer’s got to keep the anti no deal rhetoric going though Tony. I agree that Letwin probably had good intentions with the amendment (which I have said previously) ie protecting from MPs (ie ERG) voting in favour on Saturday and then not voting through the legislation but there is a deal on the table to avoid No Deal now. If that’s MPs main concern then they can ensure it doesn’t happen.

I think that there has been an attempt by the government to narrow the window and focus Parliament to make a decision. Personal opinion (which I will appreciate you probably won’t share) but I think it was necessary to some extent. I’m also not convinced that with the current make up in parliament any further delay will resolve the stalemate.

Ps I've never supported the proroguing (waste of time and political capital for little benefit).
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,218
lordsummerisle said:
I'm assuming this has already been posted on here?

Watch Boris Johnson tell the DUP in 2018 he would never put border in the Irish Sea - today he put a border in the Irish Sea
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Good old Honest Boris. And people question parliament for passing a bill that holds him to his word.
 
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Malaka

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,219


I'm voting for him just to see the results being read out
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,220
CCFCSteve said:
Starmer’s got to keep the anti no deal rhetoric going though Tony. I agree that Letwin probably had good intentions with the amendment (which I have said previously) ie protecting from MPs (ie ERG) voting in favour on Saturday and then not voting through the legislation but there is a deal on the table to avoid No Deal now. If that’s MPs main concern then they can ensure it doesn’t happen.

I think that there has been an attempt by the government to narrow the window and focus Parliament to make a decision. Personal opinion (which I will appreciate you probably won’t share) but I think it was necessary to some extent. I’m also not convinced that with the current make up in parliament any further delay will resolve the stalemate.

Ps I've never supported the proroguing (waste of time and political capital for little benefit).
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He has but there’s still something in what he says.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,221
Grendel said:
Are we allowed to include the MPs who’ve left the party due to its anti Semitic stance?

The purge will also of course happen when the election is called and it will be brutal
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No it won't, and you know that the anti- semitic line against Labour is a massive over-exaggereation, used by those on the right of the party to undermine the leadership.

Plus of course, though not a conspiracy theorist by nature( unless it concerns CCC!), the fact that the Israeli embassy was caught influencing British politics, both Tory and Labour, is an absolute scandal which very little made of.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,222
Malaka said:
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I'm voting for him just to see the results being read out
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Is that real? I mean their leader is called Dick Braine so anything’s possible. Or it was , I think he’s being done for fraud now or something
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,223
djr8369 said:
Parliament who keep trying to legislate to stop no deal? Yes definitely their fault if we leave without one...

I mean for fucks sake man


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What don't you understand? We have had 4 deals on the table now. Parliament keeps rejecting them/noticeably try to thwart them.

People want this done with so come the GE will play right into Boris's hands & give him their sympathy vote.

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,224
skybluetony176 said:
According to Kiar Starmer on Andrew Marr yesterday the opposition believes that the deal has a trap door for a no deal brexit and as Boris and co’s reputations go before them no one trusts them to vote for the deal and then the legislation required to complete it. Thus forcing a no deal brexit, by “accident” of course.

Boris has done nothing by choice to speed the Brexit process up, just the opposite. We could be a lot further down the road now if he’d have treated Brexit with the urgency needed to give the Halloween deadline a chance. We’d probably still have had the bill blocking no deal and the Letwin bill but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say we could have been a week or maybe 2 ahead of where we are today had Boris not pissed around. Today is just another example of that and that’s before you even get into the illegal proroguing of Parliament which if he had have gotten away with it would have put us even further back.
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Didn't think you had any time for conspiracy theories?

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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,225
SkyblueBazza said:
What don't you understand? We have had 4 deals on the table now. Parliament keeps rejecting them/noticeably try to thwart them.

People want this done with so come the GE will play right into Boris's hands & give him their sympathy vote.

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We have had 1 deal rejected by parliament 3 times. Including by Boris, RM and the ERG. Not sure what other deals have been on the table.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,226
SkyblueBazza said:
Didn't think you had any time for conspiracy theories?

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You? Think?
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,227
skybluetony176 said:
We have had 1 deal rejected by parliament 3 times. Including by Boris, RM and the ERG. Not sure what other deals have been on the table.
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Pedantic. Amendments changed the deal to in theory make it more acceptable.
However in essence yes - multiple opportunities to pass a deal.

The pressure being exerted by govt is to counter the pressure by the opposition to delay & reverse the outcome of the referendum.

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,228
skybluetony176 said:
You? Think?
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Unlike yourself, yes I do.

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Gazolba

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,229
What's the betting that after we have finally left the EU, there will be a rising movement to apply for re-entry.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 21, 2019
  • #44,230
Gazolba said:
What's the betting that after we have finally left the EU, there will be a rising movement to apply for re-entry.
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For sure. And we’d have lost our veto on the Euro because we left. So ultimately Brexits legacy will be us joining the Euro.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,231
skybluetony176 said:
For sure. And we’d have lost our veto on the Euro because we left. So ultimately Brexits legacy will be us joining the Euro.
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Hahaha made my morning already that has, typical remoaner delusion
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,232
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Hahaha made my morning already that has, typical remoaner delusion
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Have a look at a Brexit Party rally, it’s like god’s waiting room. Then compare that to a people’s vote rally, mainly but not exclusively under 40’s.
Leave is doomed for failure whatever happens because ultimately we’ll rejoin.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,233
Finding what's undemocratic really interesting tbh.

Undemocratic things are.

  • Allowing the people a say..
  • Allowing parliament to vote on policy.
  • Allowing parliament to scrutinise properly bills affecting the country and its future.
  • Holding the Prime Minister to account for his unlawful acts.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,234
skybluetony176 said:
Have a look at a Brexit Party rally, it’s like god’s waiting room. Then compare that to a people’s vote rally, mainly but not exclusively under 40’s.
Leave is doomed for failure whatever happens because ultimately we’ll rejoin.
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Yet Boris is still the most popular choice in any age group according to polls..... the peoples vote BS are just a group of sore losers
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,235
CCFCSteve said:
I think that there has been an attempt by the government to narrow the window and focus Parliament to make a decision. Personal opinion (which I will appreciate you probably won’t share) but I think it was necessary to some extent. ).
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It not necessary it’s reckless and will result in it being forced through without any issues addressed.



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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,236
SkyBlueDom26 said:
the peoples vote BS are just a group of sore losers
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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Hahaha made my morning already that has, typical remoaner delusion
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To call this playground stuff is an insult to playgrounds across the country.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,237
Deleted member 5849 said:
To call this playground stuff is an insult to playgrounds across the country.
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Still the truth though ain't it
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,238
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Still the truth though ain't it
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Oooh ahhh biggity boo. BIGGITY BIGGITY BIGGITY BOO
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,239
Deleted member 5849 said:
Oooh ahhh biggity boo. BIGGITY BIGGITY BIGGITY BOO
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Yet you compare me with playground stuff
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #44,240
Deleted member 5849 said:
Finding what's undemocratic really interesting tbh.

Undemocratic things are.

  • Allowing the people a say..
  • Allowing parliament to vote on policy.
  • Allowing parliament to scrutinise properly bills affecting the country and its future.
  • Holding the Prime Minister to account for his unlawful acts.
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Allowing the order paper to go to an opposition is entirely unique and against our democracy - holding government to account is a cliche - the opposition are in effect the government which is by definition not democratic as they were not elected for this purpose

I assume if there was a referendum and remain won but a year later polls indicated again an anti Europe majority you’d be the first to demand a further referendum?
 
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