SkyblueBazza
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Labour & LDs & indeed the SNP have seemingly gone awfully quiet the last week or so haven't they?
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Labour & LDs & indeed the SNP have seemingly gone awfully quiet the last week or so haven't they?A thread I don't post in usually.
The Labour position of either their deal or remain in the EU after another referendum is something I really just can't get my head around.
if we are to have a second referendum, which to me seems to just ignores the democratic will of the first referendum, shouldn't the choices be between a no deal break from the EU, and the revised deal labour potentially has to offer.
The government tried to keep to what the EU said was allowed and what they thought they could push through parliament. Or they came put with something they knew they couldn't push through. Take your pick.The government drew its red lines and it doesn’t involve EFTA or Schengen membership by any stretch of the imagination and that isn’t even a grey area. You really couldn’t have picked a worse country to draw a comparison to.
I am saying exactly what I was saying from the start.
We have a much better hand than people like yourself want anyone to believe. The problem is that people like yourself keep making our hand weaker.
Just like we threatened a no deal to bring them finally to the table. So what happens is a new law is brought out to try and outlaw a no deal.
Can you imagine if a new law was brought out to ensure there was a no deal?
It’s a sacrifice that the rich are prepared to make on our behalf, despite the zero impact it will have on them.BBC News -
No-deal Brexit 'to push UK debt to 50-year high'
But we all already knew that......right?
I believe huge changes are needed to our Constitution.
Try and explain how I have changed my mind.Called it. I knew you’d change your mind.
Not sure how I’m personally responsible for weakening our hand.
No we don’t have a better hand than I want to believe and the last 3 years only confirms that if you want to pay attention to what’s happened and it started on day one with Davis going into the first round of negotiations saying no no the divorce bill won’t be as large as suggested and then coming out for lunch saying yes yes it’s as large as suggested.
The government tried to keep to what the EU said was allowed and what they thought they could push through parliament. Or they came put with something they knew they couldn't push through. Take your pick.
The LD’s haven’t... been busy shouting about how they’ve taken in all the racists and homophobes from the Tory party.Labour & LDs & indeed the SNP have seemingly gone awfully quiet the last week or so haven't they?
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It’s a sacrifice that the rich are prepared to make on our behalf, despite the zero impact it will have on them.
Aren’t we so lucky...
Again - I think you are underestimating their great sacrifice. I’m thinking statues and everything.That’s not fair. It will have an effect on them. They’ll get richer while the plebs get poorer.
The government tried to keep to what the EU said was allowed and what they thought they could push through parliament. Or they came put with something they knew they couldn't push through. Take your pick.
Exactly.Not sure what that has to do with you trying to compare Brexit negotiations to why can’t we have what Switzerland has.
Yet again I try and have a debate with you and SB. Yet again it proves impossible. Will leave the two of you to it.But we held all the cards remember. Or maybe we didn’t. Where are you on that at this moment in time? It’s hard to keep up with your flip flopping.
What’s wrong with chicken and mushroom ?! : )
You would say that though wouldn't you ?Given that we're a parliamentary democracy and that there has been a general election since then where both main parties campaigned on the basis of a deal I'd say that trumps whatever the perceived outcome of the referendum was
The Mail? You not quoting them today? Because you quote them much more than I ever have.
Just shows how much of a joke you are. Go play with yourself. Don't know why I ever bother replying to your bullshit.
Given that we're a parliamentary democracy and that there has been a general election since then where both main parties campaigned on the basis of a deal I'd say that trumps whatever the perceived outcome of the referendum was
I voted leave if that's what you meanYou would say that though wouldn't you ?
It’s a fair argument however both main parties also campaigned on leaving single market and customs union (as it was). A deal was then proposed by May which labour rejected even though it wasn’t contradictory to what they campaigned.
I agree that most people would want a deal though.
ps Lib Dems campaigned for remain and ended up with 7.5%, even if you lump in SNP (another 3%) there was very little support for remain parties at last election, so based on the GE argument remain should be off the table.
Didn’t Labour campaign to remain in the customs union?
Thought they said that they would leave the customs union and single market but sought to retain as much of the benefits as possible (ie be in a new customs union)
might be wrong but think that’s accurate
You may be right. I think they possibly worded it as a customs union rather than the customs union.
All the more shameful for you to state such nonsense then.I voted leave if that's what you mean
I'm so ashamedAll the more shameful for you to state such nonsense then.
Big fan of chicken and mushroom.Just not a fan of it in a pie. I like chicken. I like pastry. I can abide mushrooms if necessary. Put them all together in a pie though and it just doesn't work for me.
Big fan of chicken and mushroom.
Only fine British chicken snd mushroom, mind. None of this foreign muck
Anyone know the Parliament attendance list for Goves No Deal update yesterday prior to the prorogation ?
Whilst a major tactical fuck up by Johnson/Cummings (and one I said I didn’t agree with) for all the screaming, shouting and attempted points scoring has much happened since the Supreme Court decision ?
As I’ve said before, a majority of Parliament are an absolute self servicing, power hungry shower !!!!
Yeah a few bills have been worked on. The idea nothing has happened is just more disinformation.
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I will try for the very last time with you. Otherwise will fully ignore you whatever rubbish you come out with.Yeah and that’s why you’ve mentioned on here that you’re a Mail reader. And I don’t think I’ve ever once quoted it.
Run along and find another Guido Fawkes article to back up your version of ‘the truth’.
limited though and as I say, the perceived lack of interest in the No Deal planning indicated by the number of attendees (the main reason for getting the prorogation cancelled being Brexit) is disappointing
MPs could’ve/would’ve worked without sitting. The only time I’ve seen Parliament full was the point scoring slanging match the day it returned
Who knows? They lost credibility with me when they seemed to say in their manifesto that the Govt was wrong to invoke article 50 before guaranteeing EU citizens rights in the UK, without having any guarantees of reciprocation...& having had a 3 line whip as directed by JC not to block it!Didn’t Labour campaign to remain in the customs union?
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Exactly.
Any chance of trying to have a debate and not making up rubbish to try and stop debate?
It wasIf leave is the will of the people, then the people will have no problem testing that.
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