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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (18 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Grendel

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,236
Liquid Gold said:
The thing is the industry leaders of the German car producers have said they will give us no assistance and it's still not believed. Even if they did want to give us special treatment it only takes 1 vote from somewhere like Lithuania to scupper the whole thing as the whole 27 have to agree on the deal. We are not going to get favourable terms and are going to end up worse of because of this. The longer it goes on the more apparent how much of a mistake it is.
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So you are actually happy at being part of of a system where we have to agree a policy with Lithuania.

Incredible.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,237
clint van damme said:
Observer only reporting what they said. Is reporting the truth anti british?
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According to Andrea Leadsom its also un-patriotic.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,238
Grendel said:
So you are actually happy at being part of of a system where we have to agree a policy with Lithuania.

Incredible.
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We have to agree policy with a bunch of climate change denying, anti women's rights nutcases with terrorism connections in this country so it can't be any worse.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,239
Grendel said:
So you are actually happy at being part of of a system where we have to agree a policy with Lithuania.

Incredible.
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Don;t forget it was Britain's idea to increase the membership of the EU eastwards.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,240
Sick Boy said:
More like sensitive snowflake little fishes. Odd I didn't see you complaining about those backing remain being branded unpatriotic.
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Thats life. I was just trying engage in debate rather than throw away comments that don't do anything for the thread. I see your point about German car companies but I guess we will see if they put tariffs on their cars. I say they won't. Do you agree?

Also quick question? Did you vote labour in the general election Sickboy?
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,241
Deleted member 5849 said:
There are a lot of barking mad statements on here.

There is an argument for leaving the EU, but it certainly ain't the one thrown around by the more prolific posters on this thread, unless the argument is that Britannia rules the waves, is Great, and the world should bow down and marvel at her glory!
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Not seen one poster say Britannia should rule the waves. That's odd. We should be proud of being British and recognize our own importance. People want co operation and joint efforts on global warming and trade but they don't want an eu nation with a flag and an anthem and an army.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,242
Liquid Gold said:
Calling names then saying someone else is childish. You've done yourself proud.
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I see a harmless joke is lost on some people. Calling you mr cable is Hardly calling people racists is it? You've out done yourself. Well done.

Can I ask? Do you want a second referendum? (Genuine question)
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,243
You see the director of vot leave is calling the government retards for trying to leave EURATOM and the jurisdiction of the ECJ
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,244
Kingokings204 said:
I see a harmless joke is lost on some people. Calling you mr cable is Hardly calling people racists is it? You've out done yourself. Well done.

Can I ask? Do you want a second referendum? (Genuine question)
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I think a second referendum on exit terms would heal divides, in my opinion the only people that don't want one would be those scared of losing it.
 
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Malaka

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,245
Hi Guys, I have just started reading this thread, albeit, not from the beginning.
As a remoaner I have a few points that I would like to raise.

Firstly, if we had voted to remain, I do not think for one minute the Brexiteers would take that lying down and would demand another vote (not that I am advocating another vote.
Secondly, everyone knew that Brexit would mean away from the single market and customs union. Agreed, but the people who said this were the remainers, I lost count of how many times Boris told us that we would get a deal. I do not think for one minute we will get a deal without freedom of movement and all the other things that you have to do. We may as well have stayed in and had some some influence, because I do think that times are changing in Brussels.
Thirdly, there is no way on earth we will get a deal that these arsehole politicians say that they can get. Why the hell should we get access and a deal that meets our needs when members have to subscribe to EU rules? it does not make sense.

In my opinion, this has been a major cock up from the start. Lets just get it over and done with because I do not think that there is anything to negotiate
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,246
Kingokings204 said:
Not seen one poster say Britannia should rule the waves. That's odd. We should be proud of being British and recognize our own importance. People want co operation and joint efforts on global warming and trade but they don't want an eu nation with a flag and an anthem and an army.
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It's good to see you're capable of taking the mildly abstract, and linking it to statements made by certain prolific posters around here...:yawn:

If I'd voted leave, I'd be embarrassed by some of the random generalisations and claims being made on this thread.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,247
Noises coming for Downing Street all but confirm that we're going to continue paying into the EU. Something that we were told repeatedly by the Eu that we'd have to do.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,248
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's good to see you're capable of taking the mildly abstract, and linking it to statements made by certain prolific posters around here...:yawn:

If I'd voted leave, I'd be embarrassed by some of the random generalisations and claims being made on this thread.
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If I had voted remain I'd be embarrassed by some of the hypocritical things and unreal things said. Saying you feel the opposite is not really a shock.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,249
Liquid Gold said:
I think a second referendum on exit terms would heal divides, in my opinion the only people that don't want one would be those scared of losing it.
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But is that a second referendum essentially? I think it is. Also why would we get a good deal if it could be rejected?

I am up for healing divides but I think we do that by including all parties on how we exit like mrs may has indicated today and wants Corbyns input. Rightly so. He wants a harder brexit than May some have said but either way he should be included.

If a brexit isn't delivered that people voted for there will be bigger election results in the future. You think the referendum result shocked wait and see what happens if it doesn't happen.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,250
Kingokings204 said:
Thats life. I was just trying engage in debate rather than throw away comments that don't do anything for the thread. I see your point about German car companies but I guess we will see if they put tariffs on their cars. I say they won't. Do you agree?

Also quick question? Did you vote labour in the general election Sickboy?
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It will depend if there will be a free trade deal or not, I suppose. Personally I think that the whole thing will get watered down and there will be a Norway kind of deal, which will involve continued FoM but with am emergency brake or restrictions for the next 5 years. The comment about the trains was based on Farage's previous comments.

Yes, I gritted my teeth and voted for Labour for the first time since Blair. I have reservations over Corbyn, particularly with regards to Europe. Still though, if we HAVE to leave the EU, I'd rather Labour were in charge rather than the car crash Tories.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,251
Kingokings204 said:
If I had voted remain I'd be embarrassed by some of the hypocritical things and unreal things said. Saying you feel the opposite is not really a shock.
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The problem is, there's just random nonsense spouting from some peoples' mouths, wouldn't you say?

Vacuous, empty, illogical rhetoric that says nothing and means nothing.

Especially the attempt to speak for all leave voters, with a Little England rhetoric poorly disguised as simple economics...
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,252
Kingokings204 said:
But is that a second referendum essentially? I think it is. Also why would we get a good deal if it could be rejected?

I am up for healing divides but I think we do that by including all parties on how we exit like mrs may has indicated today and wants Corbyns input. Rightly so. He wants a harder brexit than May some have said but either way he should be included.
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If Corbyn has any sense he will decline and let the Tories take the hit on Brexit. Most likely the Tories are looking for Lab to share the blame of the mess they have created.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,253
Liquid Gold said:
Noises coming for Downing Street all but confirm that we're going to continue paying into the EU. Something that we were told repeatedly by the Eu that we'd have to do.
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Hardly a surprise, that 'strong hand' is looking weaker each day.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,254
Deleted member 5849 said:
The problem is, there's just random nonsense spouting from some peoples' mouths, wouldn't you say?

Vacuous, empty, illogical rhetoric that says nothing and means nothing.

Especially the attempt to speak for all leave voters, with a Little England rhetoric poorly disguised as simple economics...
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Yeah you're right, just how some portray all leave voters as racists and little englanders. Poorly disguised also. Again it's empty and just stupid.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,255
Kingokings204 said:
how some portray all leave voters as racists and little englanders.
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Not all...

Many would be embarrassed by the level on this thread at times.

Kingokings204 said:
I don't know what you're trying to achieve.
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You're right, I forgot the truism to never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,256
Sick Boy said:
If Corbyn has any sense he will decline and let the Tories take the hit on Brexit. Most likely the Tories are looking for Lab to share the blame of the mess they have created.
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To be fair SB, if Corbyn had any sense (or balls) he would have campaigned for the UK to leave the EU out of the door on the left......

....but we are where we are.......which frankly is a massive fucking catastrophic mess.

If someone would have told me how the 12 months after the referendum was going to pan out, I'd have a) not believed them, & b) not engaged with the whole fucking farce.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,257
Kingokings204 said:
Yeah you're right, just how some portray all leave voters as racists and little englanders. Poorly disguised also. Again it's empty and just stupid.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve.
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So you agree that Farage's comments about people being uncomfortable hearing foreign languages being spoken on trains was a disgrace?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,258
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
To be fair SB, if Corbyn had any sense (or balls) he would have campaigned for the UK to leave the EU out of the door on the left......

....but we are where we are.......which frankly is a massive fucking catastrophic mess.

If someone would have told me how the 12 months after the referendum was going to pan out, I'd have a) not believed them, & b) not engaged with the whole fucking farce.
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That I can agree with!

Let's not forget which bastard started this thread though.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,259
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
To be fair SB, if Corbyn had any sense (or balls) he would have campaigned for the UK to leave the EU out of the door on the left......

....but we are where we are.......which frankly is a massive fucking catastrophic mess.

If someone would have told me how the 12 months after the referendum was going to pan out, I'd have a) not believed them, & b) not engaged with the whole fucking farce.
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Problem is, the way the campaign went, it was always going to go this way if there was a leave vote, wasn't it?

You're right, Corbyn would have been better positioned showing the case for the left and leave... would have put him in a stronger position with his party as it turned out, as he'd have been proved right. The problem is, we'd never have got the left version of Brexit amidst the braying nonsense of 'Brexit means Brexit', missing the fact that a low investment sweat-shop is very different type of Brexit to an alternative.

Blame Cameron for reducing such a complex issue to such a ridiculous black and white question really, where a minority of the 52 and a minority of the 48 think they have the answer for what it *actually* means!
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,260
Sick Boy said:
If Corbyn has any sense he will decline and let the Tories take the hit on Brexit. Most likely the Tories are looking for Lab to share the blame of the mess they have created.
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Well fair comment but how are they meant to win. They are asking labour for a cross party brexit input which is fair and reasonable and asked for by a lot of remainers. She now does that and it's now oh well let her suffer alone and we can all blame her and the tories. Genuinely don't understand that.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,261
Sick Boy said:
So you agree that Farage's comments about people being uncomfortable hearing foreign languages being spoken on trains was a disgrace?
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I heard about it but never saw the quote. If he did then sure. It doesn't make any sense.
 
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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,262
Sick Boy said:
So you agree that Farage's comments about people being uncomfortable hearing foreign languages being spoken on trains was a disgrace?
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,263
Deleted member 5849 said:
Not all...

Many would be embarrassed by the level on this thread at times.



You're right, I forgot the truism to never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
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Dear oh dear.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,264
Deleted member 5849 said:
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Was this the poster launch where he claimed X amount of Romanians were planning on coming to the UK and his figure turned out to be a higher number than the entire population of Romania?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,265
Liquid Gold said:
I think a second referendum on exit terms would heal divides, in my opinion the only people that don't want one would be those scared of losing it.
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The only ones who want one are those that only agree with democracy EU style.
 

Ian1779

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,266
Kingokings204 said:
Well fair comment but how are they meant to win. They are asking labour for a cross party brexit input which is fair and reasonable and asked for by a lot of remainers. She now does that and it's now oh well let her suffer alone and we can all blame her and the tories. Genuinely don't understand that.
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If she truly meant it other than to try and deflect the crap onto Labour then the first thing she should do is pull Davis and Fox out of the negotiations and send Starmer in with whoever he wants to support him.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,267
Ian1779 said:
If she truly meant it other than to try and deflect the crap onto Labour then the first thing she should do is pull Davis and Fox out of the negotiations and send Starmer in with whoever he wants to support him.
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Starmer is opposed to the labour leaders stance on Brexit. British jobs for British workers and all that.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,268
Grendel said:
Starmer is opposed to the labour leaders stance on Brexit. British jobs for British workers and all that.
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It's hardly surprising you think Fox is competent.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,269
Sick Boy said:
It's hardly surprising you think Fox is competent.
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It's hardly surprising you are avoiding the issue that Corbyn and McDonnell are far more akin to the views of Fox and Davis than they do Starmer.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jul 10, 2017
  • #4,270
Grendel said:
It's hardly surprising you are avoiding the issue that Corbyn and McDonnell are far more akin to the views of Fox and Davis than they do Starmer.
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I said that I have doubts about Corbyn a few posts ago. If you think that the Brexit vision of Corbyn is akin to Fox and Davis, then I don't know what else to say.
 
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