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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (19 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,491
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
If Brexit doesn't happen there will be riots on the streets of this country the likes of which haven't been seen for centuries and it won't have anything to do with Boris Johnson particularly, it will be a small matter of the democratic rights of the majority being denied.
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There really, really won’t.

And if there was, I know which of these sides I’d back in a ruck:

 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,492
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
If Brexit doesn't happen there will be riots on the streets of this country the likes of which haven't been seen for centuries and it won't have anything to do with Boris Johnson particularly, it will be a small matter of the democratic rights of the majority being denied.
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You may well be right.

So to fix this nonsense, remainers need to accept that leave was the choice of the people and respect it. The leavers need to realise that their British Empire Waterloo moment is a load of pretentious bollocks, and that an exit may mean a rather orderly affair than some nonsense cliff-edge jump of no-deal.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,493
shmmeee said:
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How old is that? More people in a poll this week said they’d rather heave with no deal than have an extension
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,494
Grendel said:
The


So both sides broke electoral rules - are you saying one rule breach was worse?
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I’m saying that once the rules are broken the notion of democracy is fragile.

To follow through with the referendum might be the easiest, less politically explosive choice but anyone claiming to do so is the best way to honour democracy is only kidding themselves.


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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,495
djr8369 said:
I’m saying that once the rules are broken the notion of democracy is fragile.

To follow through with the referendum might be the easiest, less politically explosive choice but anyone claiming to do so is the best way to honour democracy is only kidding themselves.


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Which surely means we need a general election where all parties have a manifesto and then the public choose. If there is a majority the will is delivered
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,496
Grendel said:
Which surely means we need a general election where all parties have a manifesto and then the public choose. If there is a majority the will is delivered
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It’s funny how you’re now for another kind of vote when you think it might go in your favour.

1) There will be a GE once/if no deal ruled out.

2) A GE will likely not return a majority for anything.


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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,497
Grendel said:
Which surely means we need a general election where all parties have a manifesto and then the public choose. If there is a majority the will is delivered
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3) it surely doesn’t mean that anyway. It means the referendum has no validity.


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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,498
djr8369 said:
2) A GE will likely not return a majority for anything.
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Conservatives + Brexit Party working together will deliver a majority.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,499
Ian1779 said:
You may well be right.

So to fix this nonsense, remainers need to accept that leave was the choice of the people and respect it. The leavers need to realise that their British Empire Waterloo moment is a load of pretentious bollocks, and that an exit may mean a rather orderly affair than some nonsense cliff-edge jump of no-deal.
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You may well be right, but I don't understand the stereotypical nonsense that is that every leaver is somehow harping back to the days of the Empire.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,500
shmmeee said:
There really, really won’t.

And if there was, I know which of these sides I’d back in a ruck:

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Which is which ?:happy:
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,501
shmmeee said:
Labour don’t want the Singapore style, fuck our responsibilities, cosy up with US, damage the economy on behalf of traders Brexit, no.

May and Boris have had a chance to reach out over Brexit and make a deal that brought over enough Labour support to nullify the ERG, they haven’t. Instead they wanted to be the Brexit party, because they were scared of The Brexit Party. That’s party politics.

The pure numbers mean that the likes of Nandy, Kinnock and others in heavy Leave voting seats would always have been looking for a deal. They even set up a group called Labour For A Deal and kept asking to be involved. They were ignored until the end then the compromise the negotiated was never put to Parliament.

That’s before you get to your Skinners, Hoeys and Fields who were Brexiters from the start.

Hell, Corbyn himself has been a Eurosceptic The Deal was there to make, but the Tories saw working class voters that would never go near them now on “their side” and thought they could break Labour strongholds by going full Brexit.

Even now, rather than get a deal through Johnson and co push for no deal, knowing no sane MP in a working class area will put it through and batter their constituents. Purely so he can play the line in an election.

Top to bottom, start to end, this is a Tory fuck up.
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Agree that the Tories should’ve tried to have build consensus across the house.

There’s various things I don’t agree with though, talking about us trying to follow a Singapore model for one (no evidence). Also, we haven’t even got onto trade talks with the EU yet and there is no doubt that MPs will end up having a say on what’s agreed, so labour had a chance to influence this in future.

The rest of the WA is known to tick many of Labours boxes.

Ps I might be being naive but I also think Johnson does want a deal
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,502
Turn on BBC News to see the Farage cult in full flow.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,503
SIR ERNIE said:
Conservatives + Brexit Party working together will deliver a majority.
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Which Brexit Party policies are your favourite? More than one please
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,504
Ian1779 said:
You may well be right.

So to fix this nonsense, remainers need to accept that leave was the choice of the people and respect it. The leavers need to realise that their British Empire Waterloo moment is a load of pretentious bollocks, and that an exit may mean a rather orderly affair than some nonsense cliff-edge jump of no-deal.
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There won't be no deal though will there ?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,505
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Turn on BBC News to see the Farage cult in full flow.
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Or there's the ITV player to watch Jo Swineson up against Piers Morgan last week. Laugh yourself silly.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,506
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Or there's the ITV player to watch Jo Swineson up against Piers Morgan last week. Laugh yourself silly.
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Maybe I will. Watching Honest Nige’s circle jerk first. Highlight of the night so far

‘Boris isn’t a true Brexiteer’
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,507
shmmeee said:
Labour don’t want the Singapore style, fuck our responsibilities, cosy up with US, damage the economy on behalf of traders Brexit, no.

May and Boris have had a chance to reach out over Brexit and make a deal that brought over enough Labour support to nullify the ERG, they haven’t. Instead they wanted to be the Brexit party, because they were scared of The Brexit Party. That’s party politics.

The pure numbers mean that the likes of Nandy, Kinnock and others in heavy Leave voting seats would always have been looking for a deal. They even set up a group called Labour For A Deal and kept asking to be involved. They were ignored until the end then the compromise the negotiated was never put to Parliament.

That’s before you get to your Skinners, Hoeys and Fields who were Brexiters from the start.

Hell, Corbyn himself has been a Eurosceptic The Deal was there to make, but the Tories saw working class voters that would never go near them now on “their side” and thought they could break Labour strongholds by going full Brexit.

Even now, rather than get a deal through Johnson and co push for no deal, knowing no sane MP in a working class area will put it through and batter their constituents. Purely so he can play the line in an election.

Top to bottom, start to end, this is a Tory fuck up.
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.


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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,508
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Which Brexit Party policies are your favourite? More than one please
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Same as Lib Dem’s
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,509
djr8369 said:
3) it surely doesn’t mean that anyway. It means the referendum has no validity.


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Which is what you want it makes it void. Several parties have had immediate withdrawal from the Eu as an election pledge
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,510
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
There won't be no deal though will there ?
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Let’s hope so - but I have a niggling feeling about this.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,511
djr8369 said:
It’s funny how you’re now for another kind of vote when you think it might go in your favour.

1) There will be a GE once/if no deal ruled out.

2) A GE will likely not return a majority for anything.


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I think a straight in out referendum will have the same result but no party is offering if

A general election could produce any outcome
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,512
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
You may well be right, but I don't understand the stereotypical nonsense that is that every leaver is somehow harping back to the days of the Empire.
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Not every leaver wants a no-deal either....
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,513
Grendel said:
Same as Lib Dem’s
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Wrong they had a manifesto of policies

Ask yourself why Farage won’t narrow down specifics-it’s easier to draw everyone in. Still trying to wipe Trump’s spooge off his face
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,514
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Wrong they had a manifesto of policies

Ask yourself why Farage won’t narrow down specifics-it’s easier to draw everyone in. Still trying to wipe Trump’s spooge off his face
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The LD do have policies to be fair - they are just all shit.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,515
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Wrong they had a manifesto of policies

Ask yourself why Farage won’t narrow down specifics-it’s easier to draw everyone in. Still trying to wipe Trump’s spooge off his face
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You said favourite policies - I challenge anyone without google to name any but one
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,516
Grendel said:
Same as Lib Dem’s
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haha, beat me to it.
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,517
Grendel said:
You said favourite policies - I challenge anyone without google to name any but one
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do you mean this weeks or last weeks?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,518
Grendel said:
You said favourite policies - I challenge anyone without google to name any but one
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Curious how you try to digress to the Lib Dems when a) I don’t vote for them or agree with the revoke policy and b) it doesn’t take away that the Brexit Party has just one policy and is a blatant personality cult.

Vintage G-obfuscate and hope nobody notices
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,519
Ian1779 said:
The LD do have policies to be fair.
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That’s all my point was.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,520
Grendel said:
Which surely means we need a general election where all parties have a manifesto and then the public choose. If there is a majority the will is delivered
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you want a GE fought on a single issue? Wow.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,521
Sick Boy said:
you want a GE fought on a single issue? Wow.
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Where did I say that?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,522
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Maybe I will. Watching Honest Nige’s circle jerk first. Highlight of the night so far

‘Boris isn’t a true Brexiteer’
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I'm sure it was. It followed Corbyn and Swinson's Friday Night Wet Rag Special on Channel 5. .
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,523
Grendel said:
Where did I say that?
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You mentioned the word manifesto.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,524
SIR ERNIE said:
Conservatives + Brexit Party working together will deliver a majority.
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Most seat projections put BXP on one seat.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,525
shmmeee said:
Most seat projections put BXP on one seat.
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That one seat could just be enough. :happy:
 
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