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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,456
dutchman said:
We've already had one. Your side doesn't accept the result and never will if the result goes against you so holding another one is pointless.
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What was the result?

Do the people want WTO, FTA, CU/SM?
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,457
shmmeee said:
What was the result?

Do the people want WTO, FTA, CU/SM?
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Yes.
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,458
shmmeee said:
What was the result?

Do the people want WTO, FTA, CU/SM?
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It doesn't matter what the result was because your kind will never accept it.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,459
shmmeee said:
Stop. Literally no one is saying we won’t leave apart from the Lib Dem’s. We’ll only not leave if that’s what people vote for in a referendum. And even the Libs will only do it if they win an election on a manifesto promise of remain.
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Yes as the context of the referendum would change

The obvious act of a democratic society is to offer leave alternatives only - instead it’s remain and one specific deal to leave

So you stop spinning bollocks
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,460
It should be pointed out that the odds are overwhelmingly in favour of Brexit happening.

But it won’t happen until it’s no deal forced through against the will of the majority or somebody builds some bridges and bundles through a soft Brexit.


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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,461
dutchman said:
It doesn't matter what the result was because your kind will never accept it.
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So you’re talking bollocks then?

Come on, you said the people had spoken, what did they say?
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,462
Grendel said:
Yes as the context of the referendum would change

The obvious act of a democratic society is to offer leave alternatives only - instead it’s remain and one specific deal to leave

So you stop spinning bollocks
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The obvious act of a democracy would be to ignore a vote that had illegal activity.


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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,463
shmmeee said:
What was the result?

Do the people want WTO, FTA, CU/SM?
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So we should remove remove remain off the ballot paper and decide the route of exit?

We know the result was L.E.A.V.E not hard even for you to grasp surely
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,464
djr8369 said:
The obvious act of a democracy would be to ignore a vote that had illegal activity.


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In other words “my side lost and I’m whining until I get my own way”
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,465
Grendel said:
So we should remove remove remain off the ballot paper and decide the route of exit?

We know the result was L.E.A.V.E not hard even for you to grasp surely
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even that is flawed now. That option should have been on the original ballot paper for anyone who chose leave to select. I'm fairly sure we wouldn't be in this mess now.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,466
Grendel said:
In other words “my side lost and I’m whining until I get my own way”
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In other words “it doesn’t matter if the rules of democracy are broken if I get what I want”


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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,467
dutchman said:
It doesn't matter what the result was because your kind will never accept it.
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Your kind??

You can’t even articulate what Leave was meant to be... just some bullshit no-deal utopia that will never exist.

No-deal was never the choice... it was going to be the easiest deal ever remember.
 
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dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,468
Ian1779 said:
Your kind??
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The kind who think you know better than everyone else and have a god-given right to decide everything for them.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,469
shmmeee said:
again. You blamed Bercow, he can’t vote.

You blamed “Remain MPs” I pointed out the rebels were Brexiters.

The fact the opposition opposed the government isn’t the story. It was the scale of the rebellion that stopped Mays Deal passing.

She had a majority, she didn’t need to get opposition votes.
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I agree shmmmeee, it’s up to the government to at least get their house in order first, however, I also believe Brexit is too important a subject for the opposition to play politics. I think we all appreciate that Brexit transcends party politics. ERG will only have themselves to blame if Article 50 gets revokes. I’ve said on this thread numerous times that it’s a combo of the ideological extremes on both sides that’s stopping a deal, together with the matter being politicised by Labour....ERG possibly taking a larger share of the blame.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,470
shmmeee said:
So you’re talking bollocks then?

Come on, you said the people had spoken, what did they say?
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That simple enough?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,471
djr8369 said:
In other words “it doesn’t matter if the rules of democracy are broken if I get what I want”


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If you look that up in the dictionary it says see Boris Johnson.
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,472
dutchman said:
The kind who think you know better than everyone else and have a god-given right to decide everything for them.
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Me?? You’ve clearly never read any of the hundreds of post I’ve made on this thread.

I’ve consistently said it is dangerous territory when you don’t respect democracy- doesn’t mean I have to agree with this reckless and frankly bat-shit crazy nonsense from Boris.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,473
shmmeee said:
Come on, you said the people had spoken, what did they say?
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OOH AHH BIGGITY BOO. BIGGITY BIGGITY BIGGITY BOO
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,474
The
djr8369 said:
In other words “it doesn’t matter if the rules of democracy are broken if I get what I want”


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So both sides broke electoral rules - are you saying one rule breach was worse?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,475
Grendel said:
The


So both sides broke electoral rules - are you saying one rule breach was worse?
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So if you believe it true... maybe call that one null and void and do it again... this time with the power of hindsight
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,476
Grendel said:
The


So both sides broke electoral rules - are you saying one rule breach was worse?
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I think he’s saying that May tried to bypass parliamentary sovereignty (you remember, the thing that the leave campaign campaigned to protect) until it was challenged in court and deemed illegal. And then Boris tried to stop parliamentary sovereignty (you remember, the thing that the leave campaign campaigned to protect) until it was challenged in court and deemed illegal. All hail Gina Miller, saviour of the leave campaign.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,477
Ian1779 said:
So if you believe it true... maybe call that one null and void and do it again... this time with the power of hindsight
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Lol and then if that one has done fraud do it again as well. Come off it.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,478
SkyBlueDom26 said:


That simple enough?
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...

...


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...No?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,479
CCFCSteve said:
I agree shmmmeee, it’s up to the government to at least get their house in order first, however, I also believe Brexit is too important a subject for the opposition to play politics. I think we all appreciate that Brexit transcends party politics. ERG will only have themselves to blame if Article 50 gets revokes. I’ve said on this thread numerous times that it’s a combo of the ideological extremes on both sides that’s stopping a deal, together with the matter being politicised by Labour....ERG possibly taking a larger share of the blame.
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Labour don’t want the Singapore style, fuck our responsibilities, cosy up with US, damage the economy on behalf of traders Brexit, no.

May and Boris have had a chance to reach out over Brexit and make a deal that brought over enough Labour support to nullify the ERG, they haven’t. Instead they wanted to be the Brexit party, because they were scared of The Brexit Party. That’s party politics.

The pure numbers mean that the likes of Nandy, Kinnock and others in heavy Leave voting seats would always have been looking for a deal. They even set up a group called Labour For A Deal and kept asking to be involved. They were ignored until the end then the compromise the negotiated was never put to Parliament.

That’s before you get to your Skinners, Hoeys and Fields who were Brexiters from the start.

Hell, Corbyn himself has been a Eurosceptic The Deal was there to make, but the Tories saw working class voters that would never go near them now on “their side” and thought they could break Labour strongholds by going full Brexit.

Even now, rather than get a deal through Johnson and co push for no deal, knowing no sane MP in a working class area will put it through and batter their constituents. Purely so he can play the line in an election.

Top to bottom, start to end, this is a Tory fuck up.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,480
dutchman said:
The kind who think you know better than everyone else and have a god-given right to decide everything for them.
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You mean like people who decide they speak for 17.4m people with widely disparate political views?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,481
Grendel said:
Lol and then if that one has done fraud do it again as well. Come off it.
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Why would there need to be another campaign?

We know what there isn’t going to be WW3, immediate recession, emergency budget, the French falling over themselves to appease the mighty U.K. because they still want to sell us cheese, Germany falling over itself to appease the mighty U.K. because they still want to sell us cars, the deals we need to do aren’t the easiest deals in the world etc. Unless you’ve been living in a cave for the last 3+ years you know the facts. No campaign required.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,482
shmmeee said:
You mean like people who decide they speak for 17.4m people with widely disparate political views?
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It’s odd you never mention those who remain will have different views on what they means as well Mr Tinfoil
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,483
Ian1779 said:
Your kind??

You can’t even articulate what Leave was meant to be... just some bullshit no-deal utopia that will never exist.

No-deal was never the choice... it was going to be the easiest deal ever remember.
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For those who actually voted leave , no deal was very much the choice.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,484
Ian1779 said:
Me?? You’ve clearly never read any of the hundreds of post I’ve made on this thread.

I’ve consistently said it is dangerous territory when you don’t respect democracy- doesn’t mean I have to agree with this reckless and frankly bat-shit crazy nonsense from Boris.
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If Brexit doesn't happen there will be riots on the streets of this country the likes of which haven't been seen for centuries and it won't have anything to do with Boris Johnson particularly, it will be a small matter of the democratic rights of the majority being denied.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,485
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
For those who actually voted leave , no deal was very much the choice.
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You clearly move in different circles to me.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,486
Deleted member 5849 said:
You clearly move in different circles to me.
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How many in your circle wanted a customs union?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,487
Deleted member 5849 said:
You clearly move in different circles to me.
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...your point being ?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,488
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
...your point being ?
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Those circles are ever decreasing?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,489
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
For those who actually voted leave , no deal was very much the choice.
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I'm interested as to how you've drawn this conclusion?

I know of the 3 people who voted leave in my immediate family none of them would have voted leave if they knew that was potentially no deal brexit.

You also had the Vote Leave campaign saying suggestions of a no deal Brexit were 'project fear' and that it was out of the question due to how potentially damaging it could be to the county.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 27, 2019
  • #42,490
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
For those who actually voted leave , no deal was very much the choice.
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