Grendel
Well-Known Member
Er no I’m staring a fact and according to you hardly anyone is in the minimum wage so actually the employment impact it will effect the most - according to you - is that sector.
So you’re talking about a very narrow aspect of the employment window then and using it as a broad stroke. Your argument doesn’t stand up for the simple reason you’re trying to weight it with misinformation.
Er no I’m staring a fact and according to you hardly anyone is in the minimum wage so actually the employment impact it will effect the most - according to you - is that sector.
Labour has an issue with anti-semitism, which is complex. Ignorance, a lack of education and yes in a very minute amount of cases - pure and adulterated racism. There is also a massive issue with the fact that lots of Labour members, supporters, MP’s and the leadership openly support Palestine. To ignore this as a factor is missing the issue. There needs to be a comprehensive education program for ALL members and this should also be extended and offered to voters. The same thing needs to happen with Islamaphobia and most certainly needs to happen with the Tories - where the problem of intolerance is even greater.
No you’re not. You’re quite deliberately not distinguishing the correlation between age group and minimum wage for that age group. You’re deliberately blurring the facts and when anyone does that the only point you make is that you don’t have a point.
Of course there’s also the other points that a decent wage gives people self respect and makes illegitimate means of income less attractive. The potential is there for a far greater impact than just money in people’s pockets.
Everyone over 18 earns more than £10 Tony you said so
I thought you were fed up of oversubscribed universities full of dumbed down students?
Everyone over 18 earns more than £10 Tony you said so
I’m really struggling to think of anyone I know who will get a wage rise if minimum wage is increased to £10 an hour and I can’t. Even my nephew who’s 19 left school with minimal qualifications and works in a warehouse stacking boxes gets more .
Under 18? I doubt it - also student time jobs will become a thing of the past won’t they? How will they supplement their income to survive? Corbynomics that’s the answer.
Everyone he knows
You’re defending a position that either wants people to continue receiving government support to live, or that incentivises not working in the first place.
Classic Tony
“I’m really struggling to think of anyone I know”
Classic Grendull.
If he made the point and was not attempting to make it a wider point why make it at all?
The full living wage at present is denied to those under 21...
You know we could always turn this on it’s head and argue for the abolishing of a minimum wage so that everyone can get a job. They’ll earn fuck all but great for business eh
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If he made the point and was not attempting to make it a wider point why make it at all?
Comment on the bridge and I’ll answer that question
WTF are you talking about. Under what law am I not allowed to make a specific point unless I’m talking about a wider point.
Unless you are trying to equate that to a larger element of the population why say it all - what was the point you were trying to make?
I have no interest in the bridge. Why would I? We surrendered Ireland really in 1922 and finished the job in the Appeasement process. We should give them a unification referendum and be done with it.
Well that’s the process in Italy
Also when you use average £ to euro conversion we are already on a par with France and Germany and ahead of Spain
So If I say the majority of people I know don’t like gardening it’s adding value to yhe debate
Swell
Hold up. You’ve just tried to use the minimum wage for under 18’s as a broad stroke for the minimum wage rate and now you’re accusing me of some sort of deception. I quite clearly stated my point. I don’t know anyone who will get a wage rise from this. I’ve said it in plain English. Just admit that you got it wrong when you claimed that I said all 18 year olds are on more than minimum wage. Are you not embarrassed by your constant charades you go through instead of admitting that you got wrong?Er you got it wrong Tony you said I was wrong when I said the minimum wage wiykd be doubled - is that correct?
I know someone at 21 who was earning close to £100,000 a year
I have no interest in the bridge. Why would I? We surrendered Ireland really in 1922 and finished the job in the Appeasement process. We should give them a unification referendum and be done with it.
I have no interest in the bridge. Why would I? We surrendered Ireland really in 1922 and finished the job in the Appeasement process. We should give them a unification referendum and be done with it.
So in summary
1. We should have tried harder to keep Ireland in the union against its will and didn’t use enough military force
2. Business profits matter more than workers having enough to live
3. You have no interest in the PM wanting to spend £15 billion on a pointless bridge even though you regularly accuse the opposition of throwing money away
4. Tony’s mates comprise the whole UK adult population
Give up old man Joe Biden makes more sense
If you don't like what you see and can't change anything what choice are you left with?Labour has an issue with anti-semitism, which is complex. Ignorance, a lack of education and yes in a very minute amount of cases - pure and adulterated racism. There is also a massive issue with the fact that lots of Labour members, supporters, MP’s and the leadership openly support Palestine. To ignore this as a factor is missing the issue. There needs to be a comprehensive education program for ALL members and this should also be extended and offered to voters. The same thing needs to happen with Islamaphobia and most certainly needs to happen with the Tories - where the problem of intolerance is even greater.
The problem I have with Ian Austin (and others) is that despite all I’ve said the proportion is tiny within the Labour members (less than 1%) and even within voters it is a tiny minority (albeit much harder to measure). These people are weaponising the problem, they don’t really care about it. If they did they would support the new systems to deal with it after the old ones were found to be unfit for purpose. They’d be involved in the education process... they don’t want to know.
Angela ‘funny tinge’ Smith is a champion of an openly apartheid regime. She was filmed taking money from The Israeli administration to influence and target British politicians (Tory & Labour) - are you telling me these actions are in line with people abhorred by anti-semitism.
He hates the leadership - I get it. Then say what you’d do better, how your ideas are better. He just comes across a bitter angry person that will look for anything to berate Corbyn. He’s left the party for Christ’s sake - that’s how much he cares about Labour.
Easy to say. But how many companies can afford to spend 33% more on pay? Then there is the associated expenses.G’s maths: £7.50 x 2 = £10
You’re right another £2.50 an hour will send every business to the wall
If you don't like what you see and can't change anything what choice are you left with?
I don't agree with everything said about Corbyn. But is he the person to take us forward? Is he worth defending?
So in summary
1. We should have tried harder to keep Ireland in the union against its will and didn’t use enough military force
2. Business profits matter more than workers having enough to live
3. You have no interest in the PM wanting to spend £15 billion on a pointless bridge even though you regularly accuse the opposition of throwing money away
4. Tony’s mates comprise the whole UK adult population
Give up old man Joe Biden makes more sense
Easy to say. But how many companies can afford to spend 33% more on pay? Then there is the associated expenses.
Yes £7.50 to £10 is a 33% pay rise.
So far you have ignored me saying about it sending inflation flying. Wages shoot up = higher prices. Higher prices = higher inflation. Have you got a mortgage? Do you like your cheap mortgage. Because mortgage rates would multiply. And all for a £2.50 an hour pay rise.Businesses will respond by increasing prices. Go and look at the studies and data yourself-what you’re arguing for instead is that welfare should continue to be used to meet the shortfall. The effect of a rise is usually that workers have more to spend and put it back into the economy. Poverty goes down and the cost to the government does also.
Now about the bridge...
He’s making Diane Abbott look quite the mathematician this morning also.
How many skilled workers would want more than unskilled workers?How many companies employment is 100% on minimum wage?
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