Sick Boy
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No I’m not, I think he’d gamble on it being voted through by Labour. If not then no deal and a GE.
No I’m not, I think he’d gamble on it being voted through by Labour. If not then no deal and a GE.Are you thinking that he might reinstate the rebels?
It will be voted down. The labour conference will end with remain as their stance
No I’m not, I think he’d gamble on it being voted through by Labour. If not then no deal and a GE.
Labour will reject it
Then I think it would get interesting as I’m not sure what would happen, I think the country would crash out without a deal.
Why?
There are plenty of options available to labour - they could do a no confidence motion and throw all sorts of rewards to get support and form s government . Referendum to the Scots, ministerial positions for the Lib Dem’s and crucially a second referendum on this deal or remain
It is an interesting article although possibly a little unfair. It’s suggesting at the end that Johnson has reconsidered ‘no deal’, which isnt true. Two things, firstly, Parliament have scuppered his ability to pursue this option (at least for now). Secondly, I’ve said all along that I don’t believe this was his preferred option but if needs must on the 31 Oct, if it was the only option available, he would go ahead with it.Interesting article in the Guardian
Johnson can’t escape the clutches of May’s zombie Brexit deal | Rafael Behr
The 31 October is an arbitrary dateIt is an interesting article although possibly a little unfair. It’s suggesting at the end that Johnson has reconsidered ‘no deal’, which isnt true. Two things, firstly, Parliament have scuppered his ability to pursue this option (at least for now). Secondly, I’ve said all along that I don’t believe this was his preferred option but if needs must on the 31 Oct, if it was the only option available, he would go ahead with it.
Ps there are other elements of the article I agree with though (wants to be liked and whatever people say about being racist etc, he is no Trump)
A self imposed arbitrary date at that.The 31 October is an arbitrary date
The 31 October is an arbitrary date
It's still arbitrary in as much as it was plucked out of the airNot really, it’s the one the EU gave us
If there’s a will of course there’s a way.
Regarding the point on border control, as I’ve said I don’t doubt that we as a country have been lax out of choice. I don’t know how much is true about the Blair migration conspiracy (ie wanting to change the make up of the electorate) but either way since then consecutive governments appear to have had limited will in controlling our borders. Also, I’ve never been able to get my head around having total freedom of movement from the EU but then proper visa/points type based system for skilled workers outside of the EU.
My personal belief is that it should be a country's own choice and nobody else’s....based on what the country needs and what the infrastructure and public services can handle. I’m all for freedom of movement but only to a point (for example I’d have accepted a continued freedom for say under 24 or 25s as part of the negotiations) but after than it’s got to be a decision for the country.
Its no coincidence that the reduction in available labour (less EU migrants) has lead to a bigger increase in wages since 16/17. That’s another dynamic as you’ve got big business (wanting cheap and plentiful labour) and a lot on the left (wanting better pay and conditions) both wanting remain. As I’ve said before it’s a funny old world brexit.
Again, like everything, people have to weigh up the pros and cons. But it’s a lot harder to generate consistently higher wage increases and cheaper house prices if you have high net migration (just on basic supply and demand). So, that’s a call for the young to make. I think many would still go for the freedom of being in the EU but then again, they have got to be a bit more understanding of the ramifications of that decision.
Why not just post a link to you saying how May did an amazing job. Everyone disagrees with you but those who shout the loudest agreed with your post. No surprise there.Jesus mate, just post a link to the Express website and save us all the trouble.
Come on then. Explain simply how I was wrong and I will show you.It wasn't sticking up for Tony. You were the one that was going on about the maths, so I did the maths and it didn't match your assertion.
Well done. Good to see you back with another insult.I see the most of the bills that might have "strengthened our hand" in negotiation with the EU have fallen because of prorogation. Yet you Tory mugs on here swallow all the shite you're fed.
Labour's deputy leader wants them to be fully remain.I’m not so sure they’ll come out as a fully fledged party of remain
You're not a Tory are you Mr Neutral?Well done. Good to see you back with another insult.
We are all proud of you.
No. I have never voted Tory and never will. And I also don't insult anyone just because they don't agree with myself. It is pathetic how childish many have become over this debacle.You're not a Tory are you Mr Neutral?
What’s the betting we cancel HS2 and spend it trying to build a Brexit bridge between Scotland and Northern Ireland instead.
Exclusive: Johnson considering building bridge between Scotland and Northern Ireland
Come on then. Explain simply how I was wrong and I will show you.
Tony says 30% go to university. It is much more but lets do the Tony 30%. This leaves 70% that don't go to University. If the votes are bought of those who go to university only 21% of the 70% remaining that didn't go to university are needed to get a majority of the younger voters. This is just 30% of the remaining 70%. So if 70% of those who don't go to university vote against the policies of having students fees paid there is still a majority that vote for it.
Now explain where I am wrong.
Because what you got picked up on was assuming every young voter who goes to university votes labour.
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So are you saying students would vote against not having to pay fees while studying?Because what you got picked up on was assuming every young voter who goes to university votes labour.
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Why is his answer to everything a fucking bridge?
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So are you saying students would vote against not having to pay fees while studying?
Prefer this to be honest.And now it gets very interesting.....
Boris Johnson's suspension of parliament IS unlawful, Scottish judges rule | Daily Mail Online
I kniw it is the Mail. And those who dislike how biased it is won't want to read it. But this is one of the exceptions these same people will enjoy.
A Scottish judge has called the suspension of parliament unlawful.
Traitors the lot of them, should be ashamed
Come on then. Explain simply how I was wrong and I will show you.
Tony says 30% go to university. It is much more but lets do the Tony 30%. This leaves 70% that don't go to University. If the votes are bought of those who go to university only 21% of the 70% remaining that didn't go to university are needed to get a majority of the younger voters. This is just 30% of the remaining 70%. So if 70% of those who don't go to university vote against the policies of having students fees paid there is still a majority that vote for it.
Now explain where I am wrong.
Ironic when MPs are moaning about being undemocratic yet are trying to overturn the majority vote, embarrassingSound bite Dom returns.
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