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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (6 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,406
Astute said:
That is a long post to stick up for Tony.

You are dedicated to the cause.
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It wasn't sticking up for Tony. You were the one that was going on about the maths, so I did the maths and it didn't match your assertion.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,407
Grendel said:
The point is the student population is the most fickle - 50% voted Lib Dem in 2010 and immediately switched allegiance when they lied about their commitment and then swarmed to Corbyn the next free tuition Pied Piper
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So why was the second and third highest proportion of student votes for parties that gave students nothing? Whereas the party that offered them the most was fourth? Or is this 'students are short termist who only go for whoever offers them the most now' another sweeping generalisation that's just blatantly untrue
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,408
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It wasn't sticking up for Tony. You were the one that was going on about the maths, so I did the maths and it didn't match your assertion.
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My hero. Holds clenched hands to heart, tilts head and flutters eyelashes.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,409
skybluetony176 said:
My hero. Holds clenched hands to heart, tilts neck and flutters eyelashes.
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It's ok hun. The nasty person has gone away for a while
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,410
skybluetony176 said:
So not between 18-24 then.
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That says 50% of up to 30
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,411
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So why was the second and third highest proportion of student votes for parties that gave students nothing? Whereas the party that offered them the most was fourth? Or is this 'students are short termist who only go for whoever offers them the most now' another sweeping generalisation that's just blatantly untrue
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Which party offered the most?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,412
skybluetony176 said:
So where are you getting 50% of the population in that age group is going into Higher Education. I know the numbers, I’ve quoted them as I’ve already told you from the source in the link. What I’m asking is how you’ve equated that to be 50% of the population between the ages of 18-24.
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How many 18-24 year olds are there in this country?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,413
Grendel said:
That says 50% of up to 30
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It actually says “BY the age of 30” and that is a distinct difference that seems to be flying way over your head.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,414
Grendel said:
How many 18-24 year olds are there in this country?
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It’s irrelevant. You’re clearly not understanding the data in front of you.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,415
skybluetony176 said:
It’s irrelevant. You’re clearly not understanding the data in front of you.
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It’s 5.2 million. How many undergraduates are in university in university degrees? Do we agree 1.6 million - oddly enough 30%
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,416
Grendel said:
Which party offered the most?
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Greens
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,417
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Greens
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Jesus Christ
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,418
So it looks like yet another almighty u-turn from the Tories is coming up.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,419
Grendel said:
Student population of that age group is much higher anyway it’s closer to 50%
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Is it?
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,420
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
The thing with that law is all they'd need to do is set up a new company and sell the land to it. Then the new company can have it for the same length of time before they do the process again. Legally the owner of the land changes, in reality it's the same people in control. They can sit on the land in perpetuity effectively.
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If there’s a will of course there’s a way.

Regarding the point on border control, as I’ve said I don’t doubt that we as a country have been lax out of choice. I don’t know how much is true about the Blair migration conspiracy (ie wanting to change the make up of the electorate) but either way since then consecutive governments appear to have had limited will in controlling our borders. Also, I’ve never been able to get my head around having total freedom of movement from the EU but then proper visa/points type based system for skilled workers outside of the EU.

My personal belief is that it should be a country's own choice and nobody else’s....based on what the country needs and what the infrastructure and public services can handle. I’m all for freedom of movement but only to a point (for example I’d have accepted a continued freedom for say under 24 or 25s as part of the negotiations) but after than it’s got to be a decision for the country.

Its no coincidence that the reduction in available labour (less EU migrants) has lead to a bigger increase in wages since 16/17. That’s another dynamic as you’ve got big business (wanting cheap and plentiful labour) and a lot on the left (wanting better pay and conditions) both wanting remain. As I’ve said before it’s a funny old world brexit.

Again, like everything, people have to weigh up the pros and cons. But it’s a lot harder to generate consistently higher wage increases and cheaper house prices if you have high net migration (just on basic supply and demand). So, that’s a call for the young to make. I think many would still go for the freedom of being in the EU but then again, they have got to be a bit more understanding of the ramifications of that decision.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,421
Grendel said:
It’s 5.2 million. How many undergraduates are in university in university degrees? Do we agree 1.6 million - oddly enough 30%
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We agree now as it is I who said 30% all along. So you’re correcting your earlier statement of 50%?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,422
skybluetony176 said:
We agree now as it is I who said 30% all along. So you’re correcting your earlier statement of 50%?
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No because of post grad courses and repeat courses from drop outs and non university part time courses
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,423
Sick Boy said:
So it looks like yet another almighty u-turn from the Tories is coming up.
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Which one sick boy ?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,424
CCFCSteve said:
Which one sick boy ?
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Saw noises of a north of Ireland only backstop - I expect this will ultimately be that substituting the backstop in the existing WA.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,425
Grendel said:
No because of post grad courses and repeat courses from drop outs and non university part time courses
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So you’re dismissing your own linked data and your own interpretation of your data. You’ve now disagreed with me, agreed with me and are now disagreeing with me again just a matter of minutes after agreeing with me. How do you reason with that? FFS, pick a story and stick to it will you.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,426
Sick Boy said:
So it looks like yet another almighty u-turn from the Tories is coming up.
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Is this going to be the same U turn May made after meeting with the DUP and discovering that they wouldn’t accept a border in the Irish Sea?
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,427
Sick Boy said:
Saw noises of a north of Ireland only backstop - I expect this will ultimately be that substituting the backstop in the existing WA.
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Yeah, saw that as well. Doesn’t feel quite right to me to be honest so I hope it’s not true.

It’s a strange one though as apparently a lot in NI and Ireland would be happy with that solution....just not the DUP (understandably)

I think it has wider issues for the union though and Sturgeon will be all over it when pushing for independence (I’ve talked about strange dynamics above....there’s another one....SNP wanting to leave the UK but wanting to remain in the EU, which is by no means guaranteed as an independent country, and even if it was, likely they would have to join the Euro something the SNP have never accepted as far as I’m aware)
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,428
Boris Johnson in a broken promise shocker.

Boris Johnson broke promise to appear before Commons liaison committee this week, its chair says - live news
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,429
skybluetony176 said:
Is this going to be the same U turn May made after meeting with the DUP and discovering that they wouldn’t accept a border in the Irish Sea?
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That was ridiculous. Watching the BBC doc on Brexit and Barniers teams reaction....not our country’s finest moment !

Why wouldn’t you just have squared any wording with the DUP first?

It’s like the WA though. It should have been put to Parliament before being finalised (If it needed their consent, which it did)
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,430
skybluetony176 said:
Is this going to be the same U turn May made after meeting with the DUP and discovering that they wouldn’t accept a border in the Irish Sea?
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He no longer has a majority in parliament and wants an election.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,431
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, saw that as well. Doesn’t feel quite right to me to be honest so I hope it’s not true.

It’s a strange one though as apparently a lot in NI and Ireland would be happy with that solution....just not the DUP (understandably)

I think it has wider issues for the union though and Sturgeon will be all over it when pushing for independence (I’ve talked about strange dynamics above....there’s another one....SNP wanting to leave the UK but wanting to remain in the EU, which is by no means guaranteed as an independent country, and even if it was, likely they would have to join the Euro something the SNP have never accepted as far as I’m aware)
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I think that most in the north would be happy with it apart from the unionists, who would probably then finally realise that the government doesn’t care about them.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,432
Sick Boy said:
He no longer has a majority in parliament and wants an election.
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Correct, keeping the DUP happy isn’t currently an issue as he doesn’t have a majority anyway. Might not be such a wise move if there’s another hung Parliament though !!!
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,433
CCFCSteve said:
Correct, keeping the DUP happy isn’t currently an issue as he doesn’t have a majority anyway. Might not be such a wise move if there’s another hung Parliament though !!!
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Indeed but it’s a gamble he would take
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,434
Sick Boy said:
I think that most in the north would be happy with it apart from the unionists, who would probably then finally realise that the government doesn’t care about them.
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To be fair the conservatives (and unionist party) do by and large, care about the union. Not sure there’s much love lost with DUP though
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,435
CCFCSteve said:
To be fair the conservatives (and unionist party) do by and large, care about the union. Not sure there’s much love lost with DUP though
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It’s superficial as this proves
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,436
skybluetony176 said:
So you’re dismissing your own linked data and your own interpretation of your data. You’ve now disagreed with me, agreed with me and are now disagreeing with me again just a matter of minutes after agreeing with me. How do you reason with that? FFS, pick a story and stick to it will you.
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?. I was building the figures up by type of education. I said 44% not 50% and that’s from the guardian article that says 49% will have higher education by the time they are 30. There is an age breakdown of the stats that show around 85% of those educated by the time they are 30 are in the 18 - 24 bracket so therefore I have assumed 85% of the 49% which is 44%
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,437
Sick Boy said:
Indeed but it’s a gamble he would take
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Might have to. I wonder if labour would whip to vote down a revised WA though ? If they do, still no Brexit and impasse remains
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,438
Sick Boy said:
He no longer has a majority in parliament and wants an election.
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Are you thinking that he might reinstate the rebels?
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,439
Sick Boy said:
It’s superficial as this proves
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Not happened yet
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 10, 2019
  • #41,440
CCFCSteve said:
Might have to. I wonder if labour would whip to vote down a revised WA though ? If they do, still no Brexit and impasse remains
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It will be voted down. The labour conference will end with remain as their stance
 
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