Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Surprise surprise!
So now it appears May was the one to block a unilateral deal on EU citizens rights.
Quick, blame Merkel.
So you were plainly wrong in saying landslide predictions were accurate usually? Coz the last 3 major votes have all come up without a landslide1 is because people are waking up.
2 and 3 because people believed bullshit which fitted their anti foreigner agenda.
So you were plainly wrong in saying landslide predictions were accurate usually? Coz the last 3 major votes have all come up without a landslide
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I don't remember saying that. Are you sure you got the right person?
I guessed you were agreeing with Schmeee since you answered the question for himI don't remember saying that. Are you sure you got the right person?
I see it as a bit of excuse my JC to bring some more talent down from the back benches.trouble in the Labour ranks now. What an all round mess this whole Brexit carry on has been so far and it's not even really started.
The amount of politicians that have flip flopped their stance on Europe hasn't helped one little bit, especially both party leaders!
trouble in the Labour ranks now. What an all round mess this whole Brexit carry on has been so far and it's not even really started.
The amount of politicians that have flip flopped their stance on Europe hasn't helped one little bit, especially both party leaders!
trouble in the Labour ranks now. What an all round mess this whole Brexit carry on has been so far and it's not even really started.
The amount of politicians that have flip flopped their stance on Europe hasn't helped one little bit, especially both party leaders!
Spot on, people say Corbyn was a leave man (he has voted against the eu on every vote) and voted remain and I was told May was a soft remainer who didn't mind to leave. (To get the pm role)
Brexit isn't the problem it's the shower in government and it's opposition. British policticians mostly haven't got a clue. We as a country whether you like it or not voted for brexit and what we will get will be a disaster if these clowns have their way.
Spot on, people say Corbyn was a leave man (he has voted against the eu on every vote) and voted remain and I was told May was a soft remainer who didn't mind to leave. (To get the pm role)
Brexit isn't the problem it's the shower in government and it's opposition. British policticians mostly haven't got a clue. We as a country whether you like it or not voted for brexit and what we will get will be a disaster if these clowns have their way.
Go on then, how would you do Brexit different? I agree with your sentiments with regards to those in parliament, but I believe that Brexit is a symptom of them.
You could reasonably argue that some senior politicians may have gravitated toward the Leave side - however there were 2 factors that stopped them from doing this.
1. Being associated with Boris, Farage and Gove
2. the immigration card being pulled so early and turning it into a campaign of intolerance.
Nonsense. Immigration is a net contributor to our economy... it's just whenever the FACTS were shown, people chose not to believe them!Immigration card was used because the remain camp had no come back and both sides knew it.
Nonsense. Immigration is a net contributor to our economy... it's just whenever the FACTS were shown, people chose not to believe them!
Nonsense. Immigration is a net contributor to our economy... it's just whenever the FACTS were shown, people chose not to believe them!
That I do disagree with.Further many migrants end up in slum HMO's, is that a desirable trend?
People didn't vote to stop immigration from the EU.
They voted to be able to control it.
You can't do that while you're in the EU.
Oh no...this is terrible. We will have to start actually producing more worthwhile goods & services again after years of counting money & shuffling numbers about.
While that may be true (look at all those Polish shops for instance) it also puts stress on (private rented) housing, health & the education systems and suppresses wages in some areas of the economy. Further many migrants end up in slum HMO's, is that a desirable trend? There are many pros and cons, but aren’t the cons felt disproportionally harder by by the people at the bottom of the pile?
Oh no...this is terrible. We will have to start actually producing more worthwhile goods & services again after years of counting money & shuffling numbers about.
That will mean as a nation, & especially the powers that be, will have to start to value a much wider section of society who are good at that sort of thing...that will mean a better distribution of wealth imo...& overall better quality of life. Sad thing is that it took 30-40yrs to get to where we are, & will likely take 20-30yrs to get to what I describe.
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While I'm all for rebalancing the economy away from finance and London. I'm not sure removing yourself from a massive trading block is the way to start selling more goods.
It would be nice to see the efforts put into rebuilding manufacturing and the like first, before chopping off the major tax payers.
Excellent, another one in favour of higher revenues for higher investment in industry and services.We will have to start actually producing more worthwhile goods & services again after years of counting money & shuffling numbers about.
It's all about getting stuck-in asap to the deals available in the bigger picture...While I'm all for rebalancing the economy away from finance and London. I'm not sure removing yourself from a massive trading block is the way to start selling more goods.
It would be nice to see the efforts put into rebuilding manufacturing and the like first, before chopping off the major tax payers.
I see it as a bit of excuse my JC to bring some more talent down from the back benches.
Corbyn is desperate for a hard Brexit - wake up
Facts like it has caused a housing shortage, shortage in hospital beds and that you can't get to see a doctor or dentist easily in many areas.Nonsense. Immigration is a net contributor to our economy... it's just whenever the FACTS were shown, people chose not to believe them!
But at least we could select how many and of what skills we need instead of anyone from the EU coming here if they fancy it.I suspect that with a fall in EU immigration we may see a rise in non EU immigration to counteract it out of necessity to protect farming, NHS, service industries etc.
As FP pointed out to me in another thread successive governments have failed to invest in training for the NHS leaving a void in the workforce filled by immigration. Will we see an influx in immigrants from Africa for instance to fill the growing void in the farming workforce and will the same happen in the hotel and restaurant industries where a large proportion of the employees are immigrants from the EU and Commonwealth? Will we end up just substituting x amount of EU immigrants for an extra x amount of non EU immigrants?
Facts like migrants keep the health service and other key services going and the government has continually underfunded the health service.Facts like it has caused a housing shortage, shortage in hospital beds and that you can't get to see a doctor or dentist easily in many areas.
But at least we could select how many and of what skills we need instead of anyone from the EU coming here if they fancy it.
Yeah good idea. We should build all the hospitals, schools, houses, roads and everything else that is needed so we can operate an open door policy next week.Facts like migrants keep the health service and other key services going and the government has continually underfunded the health service.
2% of the country is built upon, so build more houses!
Yeah good idea. We should build all the hospitals, schools, houses, roads and everything else that is needed so we can operate an open door policy next week.
Oh yeah forgot it would take years. And by that time we would still be playing catchup.
Good morning SB. So what do you think of the Italians now turning away all immigrants that arrive after being rescued at sea by any nationality but their own? That is bloody disgusting. Do you think that economic immigrants should be able to go where they want but those saved at sea should be left to drown? So what percentage of Italy is built on? Their excuse is they don't have the room for them.
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