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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (10 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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djr8369

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,881
Grendel said:
No it doesn’t - what I find funny is that open borders of different currencies and fiscal taxation stops illegal smuggling by just legitimising it. It’s funny.

In Benelux one country (I can’t remember which) had a huge luxury car tax - I think Netherlands - and they saved 50% by opening the border. Before the opening they’d have tried to do it but failed mostly and were fined. Unless you have a unified currency and fiscal policy all an open border does is turn a blind eye to the “smuggler”

Imaging if we are still in Europe and the Euro collapses versus the pound. The goods in the south are then so much cheaper than the north so all that happens is the north goes south to fill its petrol and saves a load of money, or buys at the nearest supermarket and drives back. From a commercial viewpoint the open border has Been a massive headache. Just think say if Wales was independent and it’s new currency was a 10th of the pound but there is no border what would you actually do? People would just drive and shop there

Open borders don’t work if you have a different currency and fiscal policy.

How does VAT work? It is 22% in Ireland isn’t it? What is fuel duty? It’s a nightmare.
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You also seem to be arguing FOR borders while not answering my question on whether you now acknowledge that we will need a border to comply with our future trading arrangements. Recall that a couple of weeks ago you were arguing against the need for a hard border and saying it would be Ireland putting one up.


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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,882
Grendel said:
stops illegal smuggling by just legitimising it
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The word is decriminalising. It cut of a serious source of funding to terrorist. That is something to celebrate.
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,883
Grendel said:
We are in a different fiscal arrangement in VAT terms - can you show me how the smuggling trade will work and which contraband will be the most likely?
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No I can’t show you which contraband will be most likely as I don’t know what tariff arrangement we will be in or where the price differentials will be.

You keep asking questions but answering none.


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Grendel

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,884
skybluetony176 said:
Absolute ignoramus
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Yawn self righteous indignation alert
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,885
djr8369 said:
Are you now making a case for joining the euro?

Does any of this negate the points I have raised about smuggling increasing if we are in a different tariff arrangement to the EU?


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Quite often his anti Euro rants are the best argument I’ve ever heard for joining the Euro. Something for the record I’m totally opposed to.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,886
Grendel said:
Yawn self righteous indignation alert
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Now that’s irony.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,887
djr8369 said:
No I can’t show you which contraband will be most likely as I don’t know what tariff arrangement we will be in or where the price differentials will be.

You keep asking questions but answering none.


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With respect it’s you that’s made a smuggling argument but can’t articulate coherently the argument not me
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,888
Grendel said:
Well no Mowlam and Blair did that
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Wow
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,889
Grendel said:
With respect it’s you that’s made a smuggling argument but can’t articulate coherently the argument not me
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I’d hazard a guess that I’ve explained it simply enough that the majority of the posters on the thread can comprehend it. If anyone hasn’t please free free to ask or let me know if you’ve understood. Healthy discussions benefits us all.

Shall I take that as a yes on you now accepting a border will be required as you’ve since started arguing the merits of borders?


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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,890
djr8369 said:
No I can’t show you which contraband will be most likely as I don’t know what tariff arrangement we will be in or where the price differentials will be.

You keep asking questions but answering none.


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I can tell you quite a lot of the historical contraband is.

Petrol from the south to the north, you’ve already mentioned.
Alcohol IIRC was south to north
Cigarettes was south to north.
Disposable nappies I remember moving from north to south. All sorts of food stuff in both directions, especially canned.
Brown lemonade from north to south (try it if you’re ever in Ireland)
Agricultural products, don’t remember in which direction but use to go at night by the lough.

Can’t remember anymore of the top of my head but my uncle Bob is over at the moment and I’m doing my best not to incriminate him but let’s just say that he might know.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,891
Grendel said:
With respect it’s you that’s made a smuggling argument but can’t coherently articulate the argument not me
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There we are
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,892
Sick Boy said:
Wow
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I think you meant WOW!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,893
Sick Boy said:
Wow
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Oh please
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,894
Grendel said:
Oh please
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Your view of the GFA as ‘surrender’ puts you pretty much on the same page as some pretty extreme people.

I’m sure you’ve also used being against it as something to attack Corbyn with hahaha
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,895
skybluetony176 said:
I can tell you quite a lot of the historical contraband is.

Petrol from the south to the north, you’ve already mentioned.
Alcohol IIRC was south to north
Cigarettes was south to north.
Disposable nappies I remember moving from north to south. All sorts of food stuff in both directions, especially canned.
Brown lemonade from north to south (try it if you’re ever in Ireland)
Agricultural products, don’t remember in which direction but use to go at night by the lough.

Can’t remember anymore of the top of my head but my uncle Bob is over at the moment and doing my best not to incriminate him but let’s just say that he might know.
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It’s like talking to idiots - like Blair I surrender to the Irish extremists
 

Sick Boy

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,896
Grendel said:
It’s like talking to idiots - like Blair I surrender to the Irish extremists
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You’re starting to come across as pretty extreme yourself, you should go over to the north and go around saying that to the locals.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,897
Sick Boy said:
Your view of the GFA as ‘surrender’ puts you pretty much on the same page as some pretty extreme people.

I’m sure you’ve also used being against it as something to attack Corbyn with hahaha
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In Northern Ireland there was a 81% turnout for the referendum and 71% voted for the GFA, to suggest that a large percentage of the Protestant community surrendered to the IRA, including RUC officers and UDR members is laughable.

There you go Grendull. Toddle of onto wiki your usual fact checking source when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,898
Sick Boy said:
You’re starting to come across as pretty extreme yourself, you should go over to the north and go around saying that to the locals.
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I’d pay to see that.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,899
skybluetony176 said:
In Northern Ireland there was a 81% turnout for the referendum and 71% voted for the GFA, to suggest that a large percentage of the Protestant community surrendered to the IRA, including RUC officers and UDR members is laughable.

There you go Grendull. Toddle of onto wiki your usual fact checking source when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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How many voted to leave the EU?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,900
Sick Boy said:
You’re starting to come across as pretty extreme yourself, you should go over to the north and go around saying that to the locals.
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My paternal family come from the north
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,901
Grendel said:
How many voted to leave the EU?
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How many wore jeans today?


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djr8369

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,902
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There we are
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Beer o’clock?


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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,903
Grendel said:
My paternal family come from the north
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Then you should be aware of how ridiculous you sound.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,904
Grendel said:
My paternal family come from the north
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Yet you’re still clueless. Clearly ignorance is an issue you’ve experienced your whole life.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,905
djr8369 said:
How many wore jeans today?


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How many have ginger hair and freckles?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,906
djr8369 said:
How many wore jeans today?


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Oh dear
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,907
skybluetony176 said:
Yet you’re still clueless. Clearly ignorance is an issue you’ve experienced your whole life.
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No Tony I’m really not - Ireland cannot be used by a remain uk as a prop to justify their stance
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,908
Grendel said:
Oh dear
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Grendel said:
Oh please
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djr8369

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,909
Grendel said:
No Tony I’m really not - Ireland cannot be used by a remain uk as a prop to justify their stance
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A prop? Fucking hell.


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Grendel

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,910
Sick Boy said:
Then you should be aware of how ridiculous you sound.
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No I happen to have a view which s lot of other people in the north also share.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,911
djr8369 said:
A prop? Fucking hell.


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Of course it’s a prop. As if you give a flying fuck about Ireland as if macron when he bleats about the Belfast surrender agreement as if he even knows what it is.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,912
Grendel said:
No Tony I’m really not - Ireland cannot be used by a remain uk as a prop to justify their stance
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As it’s part of the U.K. it qualifies and for many reasons, for the same reasons it can’t be ignored by your Brexit at any cost cult you’re in.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,913
djr8369 said:
A prop? Fucking hell.


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At least he has been honest about not being bothered about Northern Ireland and letting it go being worth it for Brexit. It is probably a majority amongst Brexiteers (in England) and the UK in general. Most people couldn't care less about NI.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,914
skybluetony176 said:
As it’s part of the U.K. it qualifies and for many reasons, for the same reasons it can’t be ignored by your Brexit at any cost cult you’re in.
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What is the number of people who voted to remain in Ireland less the number who wanted to leave - as a guess I’d say the population of Nuneaton
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 5, 2019
  • #40,915
Grendel said:
No I happen to have a view which s lot of other people in the north also share.
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You've become majorly detached from reality now.
 
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