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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (24 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,236
djr8369 said:
So why just ignore any possible issues people point out and suggest we embrace positive thinking?

To use your example above do you think that is how people invented the wheel? You actually have to think about problems and solve them to progress you know. Positive thinking isn’t involved.


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I think this explains a lot of the educational Brexit divide. Those of us actually tasked with solving problems and building things know how progress happens, while for those away from the coal face they just need to think positively because someone else will sort it eventually.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,237
SkyblueBazza said:
You can't see a bigger picture can you? Nevermind

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As I said, you’ve already shown to lack a basic understanding or appreciation of the GFA and it’s role on the island of Ireland.

I suppose your Englandcentric viewpoint is probably replicated across most of the population though and NI has never been taken into account by the majority.
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,238
SkyblueBazza said:
You can't see a bigger picture can you? Nevermind

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Oh the irony


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djr8369

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,239
SkyblueBazza said:
Of course I do - but things will work out. Some things will need more ironing than others...but it will all work out in the end

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So what industry do you work in? What issues will it face, do you know? Or are you retired? If so do you have a DC pension invested in stocks and bond funds? How long will it take to work out? How many people will lose their jobs in that time? If they do lose their jobs who will cover their mortgages?


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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,240
SkyblueBazza said:
Of course I do - but things will work out. Some things will need more ironing than others...but it will all work out in the end

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It will take 50 years for you to see the benefits of brexit according to leading brexiteer Reed-Mogg. Do you think you’ll live long enough let alone work long enough to see that best case scenario benefit? Assuming that there will actually be one of course.
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 16, 2019
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skybluetony176 said:
It will take 50 years for you to see the benefits of brexit according to leading brexiteer Reed-Mogg. Do you think you’ll live long enough let alone work long enough to see that best case scenario benefit? Assuming that there will actually be one of course.
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JRM will see benefits pretty quickly though following the advice of his fathers book picking up assets on the cheap. No doubt he’ll be lobbying for further privatisation while the treasury needs to bring in some cash for the Brexit was chest...


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Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,242
skybluetony176 said:
You’ve already admitted to not considering it when making your vote.
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Who on earth would consider offering hearts and flowers to murderers when making any decision
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,243
SkyblueBazza said:
There were lies on both sides.

The choice on the ballot paper was clear. The choice was made. The majority voted to leave.

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But since then we now have 2 entrenched positions of Ultra Hard Brexit and Ultra Remain. Both in my opinion are culpable for this shit storm we have now. Those that won’t accept any form of Brexit except nosediving off a cliff, and those that won’t acknowledge that the EU needs to reform at all, and that not all leavers are ignorant racists that were too stupid to know what they voted for.

Arrogance in both extremes is breathtaking.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,244
shmmeee said:
I think this explains a lot of the educational Brexit divide. Those of us actually tasked with solving problems and building things know how progress happens, while for those away from the coal face they just need to think positively because someone else will sort it eventually.
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What problems can you solve? I wouldn’t put you in charge of completing a 3 piece jigsaw
 

Sick Boy

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,245
Ian1779 said:
But since then we now have 2 entrenched positions of Ultra Hard Brexit and Ultra Remain. Both in my opinion are culpable for this shit storm we have now. Those that won’t accept any form of Brexit except nosediving off a cliff, and those that won’t acknowledge that the EU needs to reform at all, and that not all leavers are ignorant racists that were too stupid to know what they voted for.

Arrogance in both extremes is breathtaking.
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This is why for me the EEA option would have been the best option.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,246
Ian1779 said:
But since then we now have 2 entrenched positions of Ultra Hard Brexit and Ultra Remain. Both in my opinion are culpable for this shit storm we have now. Those that won’t accept any form of Brexit except nosediving off a cliff, and those that won’t acknowledge that the EU needs to reform at all, and that not all leavers are ignorant racists that were too stupid to know what they voted for.

Arrogance in both extremes is breathtaking.
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This is the inevitable reality

Ironically Mays soft soap deal was pretty harmless. You’d expect the hard line labour and tories would kick it out but the Lib Dem’s the SNP and the Corbyn cabinet have created this mess as much as anyone else and ironically will now play into the Brexit elements who’ve always wanted what we will now get
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,247
Grendel said:
This is the inevitable reality

Ironically Mays soft soap deal was pretty harmless. You’d expect the hard line labour and tories would kick it out but the Lib Dem’s the SNP and the Corbyn cabinet have created this mess as much as anyone else and ironically will now play into the Brexit elements who’ve always wanted what we will now get
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Labour tried the soft Brexit line at least. The Lib Dems abstained on everything... apart from hanging out of the arse of the Tories again.
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,248
Grendel said:
This is the inevitable reality

Ironically Mays soft soap deal was pretty harmless. You’d expect the hard line labour and tories would kick it out but the Lib Dem’s the SNP and the Corbyn cabinet have created this mess as much as anyone else and ironically will now play into the Brexit elements who’ve always wanted what we will now get
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Unfortunately it looks like that may have been the Brexiters plan all along. Campaign for a better deal, let any deal fail then change tack and pretend it was no deal all long. An affront to democracy but as you point out the centerists have played into their hands.


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Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,249
djr8369 said:
Unfortunately it looks like that may have been the Brexiters plan all along. Campaign for a better deal, let any deal fail then change tack and pretend it was no deal all long. An affront to democracy but as you point out the centerists have played into their hands.


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I think it’s played into Corbyn as well
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,250
Grendel said:
I think it’s played into Corbyn as well
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Quite possibly. For all the criticism they’ve received for their lack of clarity it now looks like they were aiming for VoNC all along.


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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,251
Grendel said:
Who on earth would consider offering hearts and flowers to murderers when making any decision
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How very ignorant. The majority of NI residents are law abiding, hard working British subjects and you label them murderers. Look at the take up of British troops from Northern Ireland, historically its disproportionately high compared to the rest of the UK. It’s given heroes such as Montgomery, Paddy Mayne to name 2 of many. Some of the best fighting forces of the British Army have been NI regiments, my own family has a long history of serving in the Dragoon’s based out of Enniskillen amongst other regiments. You’re talking about a country that’s fiercely British to the point that you couldn’t even dream about being as British as them yet you belittle them.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,252
skybluetony176 said:
How very ignorant. The majority of NI residents are law abiding, hard working British subjects and you label them murderers. Look at the take up of British troops from Northern Ireland, historically its disproportionately high compared to the rest of the UK. It’s given heroes such as Montgomery, Paddy Mayne to name 2 of many. Some of the best fighting forces of the British Army have been NI regiments, my own family has a long history of serving in the Dragoon’s based out of Enniskillen amongst other regiments. You’re talking about a country that’s fiercely British to the point that you couldn’t even dream about being as British as them yet you belittle them.
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I think the point has flown over your head
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,253
djr8369 said:
So why just ignore any possible issues people point out and suggest we embrace positive thinking?

To use your example above do you think that is how people invented the wheel? You actually have to think about problems and solve them to progress you know. Positive thinking isn’t involved.


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They had a problem...they resolved it to become more productive. That is positive thinking in action. Your resolution to the problems presented by Brexit is to keep thinking of more problems, or problems in the solutions or to just ignore the result of the referendum & stay in the EU. To be fair that IS positive thinking to suit your own agenda...but not what the nation voted to do.

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,254
djr8369 said:
The mandate was for a better deal than we have now.


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The question was simple..."The referendum question will be: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

The answer from the electorate was 'No'

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,255
skybluetony176 said:
How? Are Brexit fundamentalists going to start car bombing remain areas for instance?
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I don't know, but it renders all future votes (The basis of political democracy) open to abuse. For example, Bojo wins the next election with a clear majority. He ballses everything up but so happy are the Tory majority they agree with & pass changes to the law & constitution to enable them to continue in office for 10 more years.

I'm confident that won't happen, but it is the type of doom n gloom scenario you will lap-up

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,256
Sick Boy said:
As I said, you’ve already shown to lack a basic understanding or appreciation of the GFA and it’s role on the island of Ireland.

I suppose your Englandcentric viewpoint is probably replicated across most of the population though and NI has never been taken into account by the majority.
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Ahhh...that word majority.

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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,257
Grendel said:
I think the point has flown over your head
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You didn’t make one.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,258
skybluetony176 said:
You didn’t make one.
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Oh really so you replied to a point I didn’t make awesome
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,259
djr8369 said:
So what industry do you work in? What issues will it face, do you know? Or are you retired? If so do you have a DC pension invested in stocks and bond funds? How long will it take to work out? How many people will lose their jobs in that time? If they do lose their jobs who will cover their mortgages?


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I work at the coal face (as Schmee refers to it). The industry is global as is the company I work for. I even lost my management role a few years back because the European HQ in the UK was moved to an Eastern European country where EU incentives & cheaper labour costs made it a more attractive proposition.
Yes I do know the implications of Brexit & our MD has reassured us that matters are in hand & we are ready for Brexit or non-Brexit come 31st October.
Yep got such a pension, it will probably suffer. Not sure what you mean by 'work out'...I can keep tabs on it's performance & monetary value pretty quickly & easily. When I lost my job (twice in 5yrs as it happens) my wife & I slaved & used savings/redundancy payments & had to 'make do' to pay bills (a bit of positive thinking employed there see?) - & we got through it. Now spare a thought for the many that have over time, lost their jobs because of EU cheaper labour, eh? No different for them is it?

Oh - & 7" Mr Nosey!

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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 16, 2019
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SkyblueBazza said:
I don't know, but it renders all future votes (The basis of political democracy) open to abuse. For example, Bojo wins the next election with a clear majority. He ballses everything up but so happy are the Tory majority they agree with & pass changes to the law & constitution to enable them to continue in office for 10 more years.

I'm confident that won't happen, but it is the type of doom n gloom scenario you will lap-up

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A) it was an advisory referendum.

B) if you’ve learned nothing else from the last 3 years you should have learned that what you’ve just described would never happen. It’s the finest bit of it your gran had bollocks whatiffery I’ve ever read posted on here and that’s saying something.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,261
Grendel said:
What problems can you solve? I wouldn’t put you in charge of completing a 3 piece jigsaw
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That is funny

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,262
djr8369 said:
Quite possibly. For all the criticism they’ve received for their lack of clarity it now looks like they were aiming for VoNC all along.


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Only 'now'???

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,263
skybluetony176 said:
How very ignorant. The majority of NI residents are law abiding, hard working British subjects and you label them murderers. Look at the take up of British troops from Northern Ireland, historically its disproportionately high compared to the rest of the UK. It’s given heroes such as Montgomery, Paddy Mayne to name 2 of many. Some of the best fighting forces of the British Army have been NI regiments, my own family has a long history of serving in the Dragoon’s based out of Enniskillen amongst other regiments. You’re talking about a country that’s fiercely British to the point that you couldn’t even dream about being as British as them yet you belittle them.
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He was on about the terrorist element you idiot

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
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skybluetony176 said:
A) it was an advisory referendum.

B) if you’ve learned nothing else from the last 3 years you should have learned that what you’ve just described would never happen. It’s the finest bit of it your gran had bollocks whatiffery I’ve ever read posted on here and that’s saying something.
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Lots happened in Germany that nobody thought would happen.

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Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,265
djr8369 said:
Quite possibly. For all the criticism they’ve received for their lack of clarity it now looks like they were aiming for VoNC all along.


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I actually meant we crash out of Europe which is his utopian vision
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,266
SkyblueBazza said:
He was on about the terrorist element you idiot

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I think Tony has been having his brain washed by Gerry Adams
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,267
Grendel said:
Oh really so you replied to a point I didn’t make awesome
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I replied to your ignorance. I even told you in the first sentence of my reply just to be clear. Spouting bollocks without making a point is the very definition of ignorance. There was literally zero content in your post to suggest that you were making a point aside from highlighting your own personal ignorance. Thankfully all them Ulster men thought for your right to demonstrate your ignorance otherwise you might be forced to be a bit more grateful for their personal sacrifices for queen and country. And before you start pointing the finger at the catholic community of NI here’s another fact your ignorant arse wouldn’t know if it smacked you in the face. More Catholic’s from Northern Ireland have died fighting in the British Army in two world wars than have died fighting republican causes in its entire history. The same can also be said of catholic’s from south of the border. There’s some real British heroes from Northern Ireland, you should show a bit more gratitude to them and less ignorance. Start by considering these loyal subjects in your thought process.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,268
skybluetony176 said:
I replied to your ignorance. I even told you in the first sentence of my reply just to be clear. Spouting bollocks without making a point is the very definition of ignorance. There was literally zero content in your post to suggest that you were making a point aside from highlighting your own personal ignorance. Thankfully all them Ulster men thought for your right to demonstrate your ignorance otherwise you might be forced to be a bit more grateful for their personal sacrifices for queen and country. And before you start pointing the finger at the catholic community of NI here’s another fact your ignorant arse wouldn’t know if it smacked you in the face. More Catholic’s from Northern Ireland have died fighting in the British Army in two world wars than have died fighting republican causes in its entire history. The same can also be said of catholic’s from south of the border. There’s some real British heroes from Northern Ireland, you should show a bit more gratitude to them and less ignorance. Start by considering these loyal subjects in your thought process.
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Which again has fuck all to do with my point
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,269
SkyblueBazza said:
He was on about the terrorist element you idiot

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No he wasn’t. He’s already confessed that he Northern Ireland didn't enter his thought process when voting in the referendum and the only comment he has to make on them is to label them terrorists.
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,270
SkyblueBazza said:
I work at the coal face (as Schmee refers to it). The industry is global as is the company I work for. I even lost my management role a few years back because the European HQ in the UK was moved to an Eastern European country where EU incentives & cheaper labour costs made it a more attractive proposition.
Yes I do know the implications of Brexit & our MD has reassured us that matters are in hand & we are ready for Brexit or non-Brexit come 31st October.
Yep got such a pension, it will probably suffer. Not sure what you mean by 'work out'...I can keep tabs on it's performance & monetary value pretty quickly & easily. When I lost my job (twice in 5yrs as it happens) my wife & I slaved & used savings/redundancy payments & had to 'make do' to pay bills (a bit of positive thinking employed there see?) - & we got through it. Now spare a thought for the many that have over time, lost their jobs because of EU cheaper labour, eh? No different for them is it?

Oh - & 7" Mr Nosey!

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You used positive thinking to pay your bills? It sounds a lot like you used your savings, I.e you planned for a rainy day.


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