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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (7 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,201
Not sure how someone telling us we aren’t sovereign, or doing well, and that the country has gone to the dogs are now recast as “positive people”.

The reason remainers are so pissed off is because we see a powerful, strong, world leading nation being pulled down because of ignorance and spite.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,202
Grendel said:
So would the terrorist be to blame or the UK people?
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Do you leave your windows and doors open all day? If something gets stolen is it your fault or the burglars? It's clearly the burglars for being a thieving c*** but good luck getting the insurance to pay out.

Fact is you have to accept such warped individuals exist who're looking to find any excuse, so you don't give them the chance.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,203
shmmeee said:
Not sure how someone telling us we aren’t sovereign, or doing well, and that the country has gone to the dogs are now recast as “positive people”.

The reason remainers are so pissed off is because we see a powerful, strong, world leading nation being pulled down because of ignorance and spite.
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And make stupid pig ignorant clams regard motor industry job losses (40% growth in employment in a decade) oh and food inflation has risen by 20% (it was 2.7%)

You didn’t teach economics did you?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,204
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Do you leave your windows and doors open all day? If something gets stolen is it your fault or the burglars? It's clearly the burglars for being a thieving c*** but good luck getting the insurance to pay out.

Fact is you have to accept such warped individuals exist who're looking to find any excuse, so you don't give them the chance.
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So you would just surrender would you? Fascinating insite into your mindset. Are you a descendent of Neville Chamberlain?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,205
SkyblueBazza said:
That is only happening in your head though isn't it?

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FAQs: Everything you need to know about visiting Northern Ireland

At the moment you don’t need a passport to travel within the UK to the north. Good luck controlling and handling illegal immigration into the UK, still you’ll probably see it as a positive as it will create jobs hahaha

You see to have very little awareness not appreciation of the GFA and why it’s important, which isn’t really a surprise.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,206
Sick Boy said:
FAQs: Everything you need to know about visiting Northern Ireland

At the moment you don’t need a passport to travel within the UK to the north. Good luck controlling and handling illegal immigration into the UK, still you’ll probably see it as a positive as it will create jobs hahaha

You see to have very little awareness not appreciation of the GFA and why it’s important, which isn’t really a surprise.
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There is an option in the articles of the GFA that permit a unification referendum so there is a choice
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,207
Grendel said:
There is an option in the articles of the GFA that permit a unification referendum so there is a choice
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Yes I know, I think that most within GB couldn’t care less if NI left the UK. I also think the Tories would have been quite happy for it to have happened as it’s caused all sorts of obstacles for them.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,208
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
When we joined the EU it was the positive thinkers suggesting so. Less chance of war, greater competition through open markets resulting in bigger improvements, cooperation in science leading to advancements and in policing reducing crime. The 'moaning neg-heads' were those telling us to stay out because it'd be terrible for us.

So for you the moaning neg-heads were right.....
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When we joined the EEC - we signed up for something very different to what we are leaving.

So you are incorrect...maybe what you are calling the neg-heads we're just as wrong then!

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,209
shmmeee said:
Not sure how someone telling us we aren’t sovereign, or doing well, and that the country has gone to the dogs are now recast as “positive people”.

The reason remainers are so pissed off is because we see a powerful, strong, world leading nation being pulled down because of ignorance and spite.
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You even frame it negatively. Maybe the positive thinkers framed it more like "we can return to become fully sovereign again, we can improve (whatever)"

The reason many remainers are pissed off is because they are scared of changes that will become necessary. Part of the natural process of change. I don't criticise them for that, but cannot just accept the doom & gloom.

Even if Brexit doesn't happen still - I will be happy with that to a degree. Just very wary of future tactics to keep or bring the UK acceptance of further political & social integration.

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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,210
Grendel said:
So would the terrorist be to blame or the UK people?
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You’ve already admitted to not considering it when making your vote.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,211
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Fact is you have to accept such warped individuals exist who're looking to find any excuse, so you don't give them the chance.
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Which is precisely what you have done...found an(other) excuse to 1. Pacify such evil people & 2. Stay in the EU

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,212
skybluetony176 said:
You’ve already admitted to not considering it when making your vote.
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Most people would have been the same and even now I’m sure most have very little understanding on the GFA and probably couldn’t care less either.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,213
Sick Boy said:
FAQs: Everything you need to know about visiting Northern Ireland

At the moment you don’t need a passport to travel within the UK to the north. Good luck controlling and handling illegal immigration into the UK, still you’ll probably see it as a positive as it will create jobs hahaha

You see to have very little awareness not appreciation of the GFA and why it’s important, which isn’t really a surprise.
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We have illegal immigrants already. The vast majority of normal law abiding citizens will simply follow the letter of law. Those that don't risk arrest & due process of the justice system.

That seems fair to me.

And actually, the NI border is not the main issue in all of this. The main issue is that everyone had the chance to vote & produce the result they preferred. Some did & some didn't. The choice was quite clear - & the result should be honoured.

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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,214
Grendel said:
There is an option in the articles of the GFA that permit a unification referendum so there is a choice
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If certain conditions are reached. A unification referendum can’t be called on a whim or because you want to leave the EU and break up the union to do it. A larger percentage of the Northern Ireland population considers themselves British than the percentage of the UK that voted leave. And people like you couldn’t give a fuck about them. Shame on you.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,215
SkyblueBazza said:
When we joined the EEC - we signed up for something very different to what we are leaving.

So you are incorrect...maybe what you are calling the neg-heads we're just as wrong then!

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Our elected governments have ratified those changes after winning elections with majorities, all having had a manifesto for growing ties to the EU. Parties led by people like Foot who wanted the opposite got trounced.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,216
SkyblueBazza said:
We have illegal immigrants already. The vast majority of normal law abiding citizens will simply follow the letter of law. Those that don't risk arrest & due process of the justice system.

That seems fair to me.

And actually, the NI border is not the main issue in all of this. The main issue is that everyone had the chance to vote & produce the result they preferred. Some did & some didn't. The choice was quite clear - & the result should be honoured.

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And yet again you’ve shown you have little awareness of the importance of the NI and the GFA and even less regard for its citizens and what it’s done.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,217
SkyblueBazza said:
We have illegal immigrants already. The vast majority of normal law abiding citizens will simply follow the letter of law. Those that don't risk arrest & due process of the justice system.

That seems fair to me.

And actually, the NI border is not the main issue in all of this. The main issue is that everyone had the chance to vote & produce the result they preferred. Some did & some didn't. The choice was quite clear - & the result should be honoured.

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No one campaigned for a hard brexit. No one.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,218
SkyblueBazza said:
If it wasn't for the kind of positive thinkers that showed perseverance & patience throughout history, the moaning neg-heads such as yourself would not be enjoying many of the things you readily take for granted. Even down to the keyboard you spout your negativity on!

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Think you’re confusing positive thinking with science and engineering mate.


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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,219
Grendel said:
And make stupid pig ignorant clams regard motor industry job losses (40% growth in employment in a decade) oh and food inflation has risen by 20% (it was 2.7%)

You didn’t teach economics did you?
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To be fair Grendel he was talking about jobs lost to automation rather than the sector as a whole.


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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,220
SkyblueBazza said:
We have illegal immigrants already. The vast majority of normal law abiding citizens will simply follow the letter of law. Those that don't risk arrest & due process of the justice system.

That seems fair to me.

And actually, the NI border is not the main issue in all of this. The main issue is that everyone had the chance to vote & produce the result they preferred. Some did & some didn't. The choice was quite clear - & the result should be honoured.

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The choice wasn’t clear. That’s just a blatant lie. The leavers were all promising different visions from socialist utopia from the Lexiters to far right Singapore tax havens and everything in between. Do I need to pull out the mountain of quotes from leading Brexiters saying we wouldn’t leave the CU or SM?
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,221
skybluetony176 said:
Our elected governments have ratified those changes after winning elections with majorities, all having had a manifesto for growing ties to the EU. Parties led by people like Foot who wanted the opposite got trounced.
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Yes - & now Parliament has ratified Article 50 & we are at least apparently leaving 31st October. Embrace it

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djr8369

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,222
Astute said:
I'll dumb down the questions for you then.

What borders are they that you keep mentioning?

We will have a trade deal with Switzerland. Switzerland are not in the EU but have a trade deal with the EU. What kind of border is there around Switzerland? What will happen to the goods from the UK to Switzerland?

North Korea? I see you are struggling a bit now.
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Switzerland has a hard border for goods but is in Schengen. What point are you trying to make?


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djr8369

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,223
SkyblueBazza said:
Yes - & now Parliament has ratified Article 50 & we are at least apparently leaving 31st October. Embrace it

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Are you not worried about any difficulties at all? What industry do you work in?


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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,224
Sick Boy said:
And yet again you’ve shown you have little awareness of the importance of the NI and the GFA and even less regard for its citizens and what it’s done.
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You're wrong. I do indeed recognise it. However I also recognise that not honouring the referendum result would potentially have far more severe consequences for many more people.

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shmmeee

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,225
SkyblueBazza said:
Yes - & now Parliament has ratified Article 50 & we are at least apparently leaving 31st October. Embrace it

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And in 2017 we had an election that produced a parliament against no deal.

Why do you hate the will of the people? Aren’t you a democrat?
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,226
djr8369 said:
Think you’re confusing positive thinking with science and engineering mate.


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Not really...had the like of yourself been involved we might have stopped at the wheel!

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,227
shmmeee said:
The choice wasn’t clear. That’s just a blatant lie. The leavers were all promising different visions from socialist utopia from the Lexiters to far right Singapore tax havens and everything in between. Do I need to pull out the mountain of quotes from leading Brexiters saying we wouldn’t leave the CU or SM?
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There were lies on both sides.

The choice on the ballot paper was clear. The choice was made. The majority voted to leave.

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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,228
SkyblueBazza said:
You're wrong. I do indeed recognise it. However I also recognise that not honouring the referendum result would potentially have far more severe consequences for many more people.

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Not honouring Brexit would have more severe consequences than breaking the GFA? Wow, just wow.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,229
djr8369 said:
Are you not worried about any difficulties at all? What industry do you work in?


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Of course I do - but things will work out. Some things will need more ironing than others...but it will all work out in the end

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,230
shmmeee said:
And in 2017 we had an election that produced a parliament against no deal.

Why do you hate the will of the people? Aren’t you a democrat?
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The will of the people has been made under the terms specified at the time. It's no good non-voters bleating about their will now is it?

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,231
Sick Boy said:
Not honouring Brexit would have more severe consequences than breaking the GFA? Wow, just wow.
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You can't see a bigger picture can you? Nevermind

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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,232
SkyblueBazza said:
Of course I do - but things will work out. Some things will need more ironing than others...but it will all work out in the end

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It’s that sort of attitude towards it all that has led us to the mess we are in now.
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,233
SkyblueBazza said:
Of course I do - but things will work out. Some things will need more ironing than others...but it will all work out in the end

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So why just ignore any possible issues people point out and suggest we embrace positive thinking?

To use your example above do you think that is how people invented the wheel? You actually have to think about problems and solve them to progress you know. Positive thinking isn’t involved.


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djr8369

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,234
SkyblueBazza said:
The will of the people has been made under the terms specified at the time. It's no good non-voters bleating about their will now is it?

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The mandate was for a better deal than we have now.


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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 16, 2019
  • #39,235
SkyblueBazza said:
You're wrong. I do indeed recognise it. However I also recognise that not honouring the referendum result would potentially have far more severe consequences for many more people.

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How? Are Brexit fundamentalists going to start car bombing remain areas for instance?
 
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