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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (14 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Grendel

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,711
Deleted member 5849 said:
Or remain.
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I’m pretty certain there will be s general election unless Johnson has one try to get some form of re branded May deal through with the message we go to the country if you don’t sign up

Then the red lines will be set and if a party secured a majority that’s it - they honour their manifesto pledge regarding Brexit
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,712
Sick Boy said:
Hahaha minus a sense of humour as well.

I’ve been an advocate of the EEA route as a compromise, hardly ultra pro remain is it.
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Ah of course - it's ok if it's banter. See? I do have a sense of humour...I find your double standards most amusing.

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,713
SkyblueBazza said:
No that is clearly not an option.
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It is an option.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,714
Grendel said:
I’m pretty certain there will be s general election unless Johnson has one try to get some form of re branded May deal through with the message we go to the country if you don’t sign up

Then the red lines will be set and if a party secured a majority that’s it - they honour their manifesto pledge regarding Brexit
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Yup, I kind of agree with you.

I also think it'd end up Conservatives winning as much because Corbyn will either fudge the issue, or come out as remain but not water down his socialist principles to do deals with Lib Dems and Greens to only fight the seats they have a chance of winning. In contrast, Brexit Party would be quite happy to stand aside in leave supporting Tory MP seats.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,715
Sick Boy said:
There’s also quite a bit of anti-British sentiment there due to houses in rural areas being bought as holiday homes

The problem with Johnson is that he is all hot air. What’s his solution for the Irish border?

Positive thinking.

He has no actual solutions and will end up taking the UK out without a deal, which is a hell of a long way from what he said back in 2016.

It’s time the UK took some responsibility and stopped trying to blame others for its problems.
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The Brits buy the houses the French don't want to buy. It is also mainly the Brits that buy up the Chateauxs and do them up saving their heritage.

Hot air? What he has said should have been said from the start as they didn't want to negotiate. They wanted to tell us what would happen. All the Tories did was ask them how far they wanted us to bend over. But those who are remain whatever happens still try to make out that negotiations happened. That is why nobody was happy with the result.

The UK has problems of our own making? What are they? As usual you make out that everything was caused by the UK. You refuse to consider the other side.

And no I still don't think we will leave without a deal. I called it this way at the start. But you and others always said that they wouldn't offer anything else. Time will tell. They will take it as far as they can. But reality is now hitting home.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,716
djr8369 said:
It’s more complex than the EU just wanting to talk though. There are legal obstacles to reopening the WA and there doesn’t really seem to be the political will to reopen it (look at the comments coming from the EU). There’s also the time factor, it took 2 years to negotiate, it’s unlikely to be tweaked and signed of by 27 member states before the deadline.
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Negotiate? When did that happen?
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,717
Astute said:
Negotiate? When did that happen?
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Specifically what do you think should have happened differently?

I’m being patient here as you’re only ever condescending to people and seem to think you’re the only reasonable person here.


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djr8369

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,718
Grendel said:
I’m pretty certain there will be s general election unless Johnson has one try to get some form of re branded May deal through with the message we go to the country if you don’t sign up

Then the red lines will be set and if a party secured a majority that’s it - they honour their manifesto pledge regarding Brexit
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Yeah something like this.


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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,719
Deleted member 5849 said:
It is an option.
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No read the post again...I clearly didn't put that as an option

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,720
SkyblueBazza said:
No read the post again...I clearly didn't put that as an option
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I know, I read your post. I know you didn't put it as an option. It is an option.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,721
Astute said:
The Brits buy the houses the French don't want to buy. It is also mainly the Brits that buy up the Chateauxs and do them up saving their heritage.

Hot air? What he has said should have been said from the start as they didn't want to negotiate. They wanted to tell us what would happen. All the Tories did was ask them how far they wanted us to bend over. But those who are remain whatever happens still try to make out that negotiations happened. That is why nobody was happy with the result.

The UK has problems of our own making? What are they? As usual you make out that everything was caused by the UK. You refuse to consider the other side.

And no I still don't think we will leave without a deal. I called it this way at the start. But you and others always said that they wouldn't offer anything else. Time will tell. They will take it as far as they can. But reality is now hitting home.
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The UK voted for Brexit and leaving the EU, so of course it’s a British made problem. The Leavers promised something that wasn’t possible and wasn’t going to happen, yet now they can’t deliver it’s being blamed on the EU, which is not really a surprise.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,722
£6bn on no deal preparations. Would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

What is the first thing Brexiters will do on the 1st November that they can't do now?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,723
Grendel said:
I’m pretty certain there will be s general election unless Johnson has one try to get some form of re branded May deal through with the message we go to the country if you don’t sign up

Then the red lines will be set and if a party secured a majority that’s it - they honour their manifesto pledge regarding Brexit
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Which would then allow a party to put all kinds of crap in the manifesto as long as it put the 'correct' Brexit position. Domestic politics is being stifled by this bollocks
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,724
torchomatic said:
£6bn on no deal preparations. Would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

What is the first thing Brexiters will do on the 1st November that they can't do now?
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The most tragic thing is most likely won’t be anywhere near enough.

I’m sure that those who loose their jobs will feel reassured by the fact that the Brexiters have told them it will be “worth it”.


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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,725
dutchman said:
They're 'capable' alright, they simply don't believe in it. Cameron didn't, May didn't and I'm not convinced Boris does either.
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You can't polish a turd-or in this case, turd-scented snake oil
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,726
I see Farage is already turning against Johnson and Cummings for not having a pure enough vision for Brexit. It will consume them all.



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torchomatic

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,727
djr8369 said:
I see Farage is already turning against Johnson and Cummings for not having a pure enough vision for Brexit. It will consume them all.

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It's happening everywhere. In the Conservative party with many backing Johnson and his batshit plans despite knowing it'll be a financial disaster for millions of people in this country. In the Labour party too; if you don't give 100% backing to the Dear Leader then the outriders will unleash their vengeance on you.
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,728
torchomatic said:
It's happening everywhere. In the Conservative party with many backing Johnson and his batshit plans despite knowing it'll be a financial disaster for millions of people in this country. In the Labour party too; if you don't give 100% backing to the Dear Leader then the outriders will unleash their vengeance on you.
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Yeah you’re right. Both parties are full of ideological crazies.


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shmmeee

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,729
torchomatic said:
£6bn on no deal preparations. Would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

What is the first thing Brexiters will do on the 1st November that they can't do now?
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Shut the fuck up hopefully.
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,730
shmmeee said:
Shut the fuck up hopefully.
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Unfortunately they’re going to be very busy blaming other people for the consequences of their actions.

Plus some of them have more work to do. Cummings for example has said he wants to repeal the human rights act. Other will have jobs to do lobbying for changes to tax rules and such.


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martcov

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,731
Astute said:
Negotiate? When did that happen?
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At the beginning. E.g. The back stop is a concession we asked for. Only the DUP came along and said no way.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,732
martcov said:
At the beginning. E.g. The back stop is a concession we asked for. Only the DUP came along and said no way.
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Come on, it's better to rewrite history
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,733
shmmeee said:
Shut the fuck up hopefully.
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Charming
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,734
Sick Boy said:
Come on, it's better to rewrite history
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Yes. The EU forced it on us. Now we’re fighting for blighty. Us against them.. we’ll spend all that it takes to defend ourselves. Billions to mitigate Brexit.. they won’t defeat us...

One in three chance that we are entering a recession.. but that’s Carney saying that... but look over there.. the Eurozone is in the doldrums... hooray!
 

torchomatic

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,735
djr8369 said:
Unfortunately they’re going to be very busy blaming other people for the consequences of their actions.

Plus some of them have more work to do. Cummings for example has said he wants to repeal the human rights act. Other will have jobs to do lobbying for changes to tax rules and such.


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Yeah, they'll blame the EU, Theresa May, Dominic Grieve and other remain tory MPs, the media, the BBC, Carole Cadwalladr, etc. It'll certainly be someone else's fault.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,736
torchomatic said:
Yeah, they'll blame the EU, Theresa May, Dominic Grieve and other remain tory MPs, the media, the BBC, Carole Cadwalladr, etc. It'll certainly be someone else's fault.
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They seem to think those who are not wildly optimisic about it are also to blame. It seems they genuinely believe in the power of positive thinking!
 

torchomatic

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,737
Sick Boy said:
They seem to think those who are not wildly optimisic about it are also to blame. It seems they genuinely believe in the power of positive thinking!
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Ah yes, forgot about that. Don't talk down Britain. Twats.
 
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dutchman

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,738
torchomatic said:
What is the first thing Brexiters will do on the 1st November that they can't do now?
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You're assuming anything is going to happen on 1st November, I'm not. It's most likely there'll be another extension.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,739
dutchman said:
You're assuming anything is going to happen on 1st November, I'm not. It's most likely there'll be another extension.
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Hopefully, of another 50 years or so.
 
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dutchman

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,740
torchomatic said:
Hopefully, of another 50 years or so.
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Nah, it will be for just six months and 'absolutely final' (until the next one).
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,741
torchomatic said:
It's happening everywhere. In the Conservative party with many backing Johnson and his batshit plans despite knowing it'll be a financial disaster for millions of people in this country. In the Labour party too; if you don't give 100% backing to the Dear Leader then the outriders will unleash their vengeance on you.
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Vengeance? I assume you mean some angry tweets and stuff like that?

Remember that good old Tom Watson ‘the sensible Labour members’ champion thought it was perfectly fine to bully a person in the middle of chemotherapy.... but that’s OK I suppose because he’s not a Marxist/Communist.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,742
Ian1779 said:
Vengeance? I assume you mean some angry tweets and stuff like that?

Remember that good old Tom Watson ‘the sensible Labour members’ champion thought it was perfectly fine to bully a person in the middle of chemotherapy.... but that’s OK I suppose because he’s not a Marxist/Communist.
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I’m amazed after his involvement in the fantasist and his refusal to be contrite he’s even still in parliament
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,743
Grendel said:
I’m amazed after his involvement in the fantasist and his refusal to be contrite he’s even still in parliament
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It won’t ever make a wave with Sky or BBC. He’s a facilitator of the Lib Dem hard remain love fest.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,744
djr8369 said:
Yeah you’re right. Both parties are full of ideological crazies.


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Finally we are united...something we can all agree upon

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #38,745
torchomatic said:
£6bn on no deal preparations. Would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

What is the first thing Brexiters will do on the 1st November that they can't do now?
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I suspect absolutely everyone around the EU will breathe a sigh of relief that it is finally done

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