Earlsdon_Skyblue1
Well-Known Member
I just threw my bowl of corn flakes out the window!
The Independent? An opinion piece by Owen Jones? @Earlsdon_Skyblue1 will explode
I meant crash of 2007 and 2008. there was no crash in 2018. Grendel was saying wages were lower than 10 years ago. Which is true in a lot of countries in the world because we have yet to recover properly.
Oh I made a mistake the study was from 2010 Mart
Can you explain now?
? There was a crash.
From a low point.....German growth also recovering...
What are you on about?What are you on about? Please point out where I have rubbished what you have posted??
What are you on about?
Or shall we try this post? I never mentioned you but you make out as though I did. So it is in a way......
Look on the bright side. You make a comment that isn't true and your puppy dog likes your post.
Emma Thornbury.....she's Labours new Dianne Abbott, they shut one twat up to now be replaced by another ! The Tories are a shambles but no one surely in their right minds now could put these morons in charge of the UK ?!.......
But what you said to me wasn't a joke. It is the sort of comment I normally get off you.You need to calm down, it was a joke. I couldn’t imagine Earlson using an Owen Jones article to back up an opinion.
Maybe he doesn't think police officers only get paid £20 a year :shifty:Why is it that someone like Hammond can Borge figures live on air and doesn’t get the same sort of treatment? It should be the same for all of them.
Um is it because he’s a man?Why is it that someone like Hammond can Borge figures live on air and doesn’t get the same sort of treatment? It should be the same for all of them.
Thanks Petey, kiss kiss kissUm is it because he’s a man?
But what you said to me wasn't a joke. It is the sort of comment I normally get off you.
I can't understand how it is we want the same thing but can see everything so differently.
Never mind. Won't be far away from each other soon. Will be close enough to Italy to explore it a lot.
I wasn't going on what others have said - I'm going on what previous experiences strongly suggest will happen. It was the poster saying Brexit would get 400+ seats that was quoting what someone else said based solely on if you took the EU results and extrapolated them to a GE. I was pointing out that historically there isn't a great correlation between local/EU elections and GE.
I didn't say Brexit wouldn't get a decent number of votes, I said they wouldn't win many seats. I don't KNOW that is what would happen, but past experience and historic evidence makes it highly probable. UKIP last time is a good indicator of how Brexit would fair. Local/EU elections people are more willing to register protest votes or vote for a smaller party. GE's people tend to go back and vote for one of the main two parties, often strategically for fear of handing government to the other if they don't.
Peterborough EU election:
Brexit 38.3%
Labour 17.2%
Lib Dem 15.4%
Tory 10.9%
Green 10.8%
UKIP 3.6%
Change 3.0%
Others 0.9%
Peterborough by-election
Labour 31%
Brexit 29%
Conservative 21%
Lib Dem 12%
Green 3%
UKIP 1%
Others 2%
Peterborough EU election:
Brexit 38.3%
Labour 17.2%
Lib Dem 15.4%
Tory 10.9%
Green 10.8%
UKIP 3.6%
Change 3.0%
Others 0.9%
Peterborough by-election
Labour 31%
Brexit 29%
Conservative 21%
Lib Dem 12%
Green 3%
UKIP 1%
Others 2%
Which shows the next general election will be a lottery which neither main party will want
If Johnson is elected he will inevitably look at some kind of deal with Farage
I doubt it very much, however much you’d want it, it would cause all sorts of internal problems.
I doubt it very much, however much you’d want it, it would cause all sorts of internal problems.
I doubt it but strategically it would make sense - the swing since the last election is significant
In a clear leave voting region like Peterborough this only confirms that the country has no appetite for a no deal brexit including those who voted leave. I honestly expected the Brexit Ltd to win this.
Which shows the next general election will be a lottery which neither main party will want
If Johnson is elected he will inevitably look at some kind of deal with Farage
And again there are heads being buried in the sand.
Labour reduced from 48% of the vote to 31% of the vote.
Tories reduced from 46% of the vote to 21% of the vote.
Brexit was 52% v 48%. A difference of 4%. 4% is totally called out as very close. This was 31% v 29%. A difference of 2%. But because it has gone the other way it is counted as a massive and conclusive win.......
And I suppose I am still wrong to be worried.
It was as a proof to another poster who claimed Brexit would win over 400 seats in a GE. This shows, just weeks after polling more than double any other single party in the EU elections, they didn't win a by-election. Yes, it was quite close but I said originally I expected Brexit to win votes. I just didn't expect them to win seats. If they can't win one so soon after the EU success they had I can't see them doing better in a GE years (or at best/worst months) away.
Who and where was that said?It was as a proof to another poster who claimed Brexit would win over 400 seats in a GE. This shows, just weeks after polling more than double any other single party in the EU elections, they didn't win a by-election. Yes, it was quite close but I said originally I expected Brexit to win votes. I just didn't expect them to win seats. If they can't win one so soon after the EU success they had I can't see them doing better in a GE years (or at best/worst months) away.
That is another guess.Given the election system there is no hope of a party like brexit ever getting more than a handful of seats even if they get 30% of the vote
Who and where was that said?
I have said that it is too close to call. Yet some think an area where Labour and the Tories got 94% of the combined vote last time but only 52% of the vote combined this time is a clear result.
It is nothing to celebrate. But it certainly should be a reality check.
Who and where was that said?
I have said that it is too close to call. Yet some think an area where Labour and the Tories got 94% of the combined vote last time but only 52% of the vote combined this time is a clear result.
It is nothing to celebrate. But it certainly should be a reality check.
If the eu elections 2019 had been a general election the result would be:
Brexit: 446 seats
Labour: 93 seats
SNP: 56 seats
Lib: 31 seats
Plaid: 5 seats
Green: 1 seat
Conservative: 0 seats
Brexit Party majority 242!
We will get different results all over the place. And that is my point.I would look at that result and think you have 2 extremes - Brexit party and Lib Dems, which at the moment are virtually one policy parties. That was 31% to 12%. However that leaves 57% of the electorate who aren't so entrenched, in what is a Leave constituency. Even if you chuck the Greens in it would be 31% to 23%.
That's a big chunk that think other factors are more important than Brexit, or maybe still are moveable if they can be convinced?
It's messy no doubt.. lots to unpick.
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