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better days · Nov 26, 2017

Needs to decide whether he is playing for the team or purely for himself
Players with permanent contracts are often suspicious of senior guys who come in on loan from higher up the divisions
Some of them think they're doing the club who take them a favour by dropping down to get game time

This doesn't apply so much to young players getting their first chance of competitive men's football
I have a feeling Robins won't stand for too much of his Big Time Charlie attitude
If we can stay in the top six heading into January we would be an attractive proposition for clubs from the top two divisions who want to give young hungry forwards a chance
It's obvious what we need. Pace and hunger
I trust Robins will have the contacts to do what is necessary

Nick · Nov 26, 2017

I pointed it out weeks ago that he kept trying silly shots instead of playing others in through on goal.

It's great when he scores but when he doesn't and could have put others clean through on goal it takes the piss a bit. Always wants to score a worldie

Without biamou he seems to generally not be that interested, even at half times etc

Maybe that's why he hasnt made it at a much higher level?

Otis · Nov 26, 2017

Far too greedy and but for him we would surely have been a goal up very early on. McNulty was free and had a clear run on goal, but instead of make quite an easy pass he chose to have a pop from a difficult angle and about 25 yards out.

So annoying. We are not getting many chances anyway.

better days · Nov 26, 2017

Otis said:
Far too greedy and but for him we would surely have been a goal up very early on. McNulty was free and had a clear run on goal, but instead of make quite an easy pass he chose to have a pop from a difficult angle and about 25 yards out.

So annoying. We are not getting many chances anyway.

That was the reason for the thread
That incident summed it all up
He didn't trust his team mate

If he thinks the watching Wolves staff will recommend him for their team seeing him carrying on like that he doesn't know much about the game

skybluesam66 · Nov 26, 2017

Maybe he doesnt trust the other strikers, and maybe he has reason

Otis · Nov 26, 2017

skybluesam66 said:
Maybe he doesnt trust the other strikers, and maybe he has reason

The reason is he is greedy. Nowt else to my mind. He doesn't even look up to see where other players are around him.

MatthewWallis · Nov 26, 2017

Everyone around me was moaning at him for shooting and not passing. Then when he started to pass and not shoot everyone was moaning at him for not shooting

stevefloyd · Nov 26, 2017

I suppose I am half and half with Duck, its great he has the confidence to shoot I mean thats how we will score BUT he has to look up and decide if there is a better option sometimes which atm he isnt doing

Nick · Nov 26, 2017

MatthewWallis said:
Everyone around me was moaning at him for shooting and not passing. Then when he started to pass and not shoot everyone was moaning at him for not shooting

Probably depends if another player is in a much better position than him or not.

Warwickhunt · Nov 26, 2017

Was it not the Duke who passed the ball through to Mcnulty to score then.?

Londonccfcfan · Nov 26, 2017

Agree with a lot of comments.

I don’t think he is a big time Charlie however etc. He’s just brainless. Everything about him is brainless.

This is the reason he isn’t going to get into Wolves team and has come out here to work things ie his peripheral vision.

Being selfish as striker is good attribute. But when the game hangs in the balance he needs that awareness which will come.

McNulty has gone the polar opposite afraid to shoot and opts to pass when he. Should have shot.

Esoterica · Nov 26, 2017

Warwickhunt said:
Was it not the Duke who passed the ball through to Mcnulty to score then.?

Was a very poor pass. That goal was all McNulty which several posters will have trouble admitting.

better days · Nov 26, 2017

The point of the thread is that The Duke needs to look at himself
McNulty is scoring now
No doubt Duke thinks he's above most of his team mates level but as someone else says he has to realise he's not Pele - or even the Romford Pele come to that
With Jones and Andreu out other people in the team need to be team players

Londonccfcfan · Nov 26, 2017

Esoterica said:
Was a very poor pass. That goal was all McNulty which several posters will have trouble admitting.

Awfull pass. I mentioned yesterday. That should not even be considered an assist.

stupot07 · Nov 26, 2017

Looking at his stats in the league he's had 56 shots, only hitting the target 17 times (30% accurancy) and scoring 6 goals (1 in 9.3 shots). Only 2 assists - first game of the season and yesterday.

That's in 10 starts 6 sub appearances. 949mins that's a shot every 16 mins.

To me those stats back up what people are saying, he's being too greedy, shooting from distance too much and ignoring people in better positions. He should have had a hatrick of assists yesterday. Also according to ESPN he had 5 of our 9 shots at goal and failed to hit the target in any of them.

He's had more shots than the leagues top scorer how has started every game and played nearly 600 more minutes.

He could be a cracking player but really needs to start being a team player. Given the positions he gets possession in, he really should have more than 2 assists this season.

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Londonccfcfan · Nov 26, 2017

better days said:
The point of the thread is that The Duke needs to look at himself
McNulty is scoring now
No doubt Duke thinks he's above most of his team mates level but as someone else says he has to realise he's not Pele - or even the Romford Pele come to that
With Jones and Andreu out other people in the team need to be team players

He didn’t play at Stevenage.

He was unplayable last week vs Lincoln 2nd half.

So it’s extremely frustrating....He will look unplayable one week and shocking the other like yesterday.

Which is a part definition of a league two player...consistency.

Otis · Nov 26, 2017

Warwickhunt said:
Was it not the Duke who passed the ball through to Mcnulty to score then.?

Yep. But if it was out of 5 opportunities, 4 times he wouldn't have passed.

I am certain we would have been 1-0 up and would have won the game if he had just slotted that through ball to McNulty. He was unmarked.

Otis · Nov 26, 2017

Londonccfcfan said:
Awfull pass. I mentioned yesterday. That should not even be considered an assist.

Was it a bit of a miss hit? Couldn't quite tell if the ball just fell to McNulty or if it was a deliberate pass by Nazon.

Londonccfcfan · Nov 26, 2017

stupot07 said:
Looking at his stats in the league he's had 56 shots, only hitting the target 17 times (30% accurancy) and scoring 6 goals (1 in 9.3 shots). Only 2 assists - first game of the season and yesterday.

That's in 10 starts 6 sub appearances. 949mins that's a shot every 16 mins.

To me those stats back up what people are saying, he's being too greedy, shooting from distance too much and ignoring people in better positions. He should have had a hatrick of assists yesterday. Also according to ESPN he had 5 of our 9 shots at goal and failed to hit the target in any of them.

He's had more shots than the leagues top scorer how has started every game and played nearly 600 more minutes.

He could be a cracking player but really needs to start being a team player. Given the positions he gets possession in, he really should have more than 2 assists this season.

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Well said. On another day one his pot shots like yesterday he did almost score deflected onto the post.

Thing is he is supremely confident, I don’t want him to lose that confidence.

The goal which he scored against Swindon was an outstanding goal. He thinks he can do that every week.

Esoterica · Nov 26, 2017

Londonccfcfan said:
Well said. On another day one his pot shots like yesterday he did almost score deflected onto the post.

Thing is he is supremely confident, I don’t want him to lose that confidence.

The goal which he scored against Swindon was an outstanding goal. He thinks he can do that every week.

That Swindon goal is the only one he's actually scored from outside the box too. He did change the game at Lincoln but for the 2nd 15 mins of his 30 on the pitch he just did exactly that again - random pot shots from distance. I guess if his decision making was better he wouldn't be in league 2.

Londonccfcfan · Nov 26, 2017

That second half of football was easily the best of the season so far. I think he played closer to to 40 mins.

covcity4life · Nov 26, 2017

Lol if he team player hes hated likw beavon

If he goes solo and miases hes shit

If he scores theb fans love him for that 1 day only

LOL

stevefloyd · Nov 26, 2017

I will say after seeing the highlights fair play to McNulty for taking that chip to his chest down and finishing well

better days · Nov 26, 2017

The other thing is the toxic atmosphere selfishness like this can encourage in a team. If Duke won't pass to a team mate human nature dictates that the team mate will feel the same when they have a chance to give it to Duke

Nick · Nov 26, 2017

Have a look at Accrington, Stevenage and Crawley goals against us. They break down the defence by passing it around and tap it in.

That means they commit enough forward and the midfield make runs, rather than just the 2 in the box we have.

It doesn't always take wonder strikes

steve82 · Nov 26, 2017

Warwickhunt said:
Was it not the Duke who passed the ball through to Mcnulty to score then.?

Was possibly only one of his likely 5 passes he made. So he made the right decision on that occasion. In the first 10/15 mins he was guilty of being greedy or foolish.

Nick · Nov 26, 2017

better days said:
The other thing is the toxic atmosphere selfishness like this can encourage in a team. If Duke won't pass to a team mate human nature dictates that the team mate will feel the same when they have a chance to give it to Duke

Players have gone mad at him during games, grimmer and mcnulty have I think.

Yes a wonder strike is great but if somebody is there screaming for it clear on goal and you have 3 players between you and the goal you have a decision to make.

steve82 · Nov 26, 2017

This isn't something new tho from him, he's been like it all season. Just his goals at a time we wasn't scoring masked it and his relationship with the fans made him a favourite. Fans are happy to let it ride till it becomes so obvious it's affecting the outcome of some games.
Yes he's won games with a moment of individuality, class and a nice goal but he's been guilty a lot this season of doing just what he did yesterday.

That's why he's here tho on loan to irradiate those moments in his game where his decision making is wrong, just like JJ is at a L2 club.

Flashes of magic, individual brilliance, match winning moments but the end product is to often lacking unless the moon and stars are all lined up.

pastythegreat · Nov 26, 2017

better days said:
Needs to decide whether he is playing for the team or purely for himself
Players with permanent contracts are often suspicious of senior guys who come in on loan from higher up the divisions
Some of them think they're doing the club who take them a favour by dropping down to get game time

This doesn't apply so much to young players getting their first chance of competitive men's football
I have a feeling Robins won't stand for too much of his Big Time Charlie attitude
If we can stay in the top six heading into January we would be an attractive proposition for clubs from the top two divisions who want to give young hungry forwards a chance
It's obvious what we need. Pace and hunger
I trust Robins will have the contacts to do what is necessary

Twice within the 1st 10mins yesterday with a through ball he could of put McNulty through 1 on 1 but chose a innefective shot from distance instead! We'd be singing his praises if either had gone in. Neither did and he needs to know when to shoot and when to pass. Complete reverse in the second half when we were crying out for somebody to shoot they just wanted to pass! And when he did finally have a shot, 1 was a ridiculous bycicle kick and the other a massive swing and a miss!

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Otis · Nov 26, 2017

Ironically, on one other occasion yesterday he perhaps should have shot, but decided to pass instead.

It's all about knowing when to take it on yourself and when other players are in a better position to score.

Nick · Nov 26, 2017

These will come in handy again, not just Duke

Then these was this game...

Have a look at some of the goals scored against us, they are laying the ball off to players in space to tap it in.

It's all well and good when you score from taking it on yourself or is we are 3-0 up, but when it's time after time they need to look up and lay it off.

steve82 · Nov 26, 2017

Nick said:
These will come in handy again, not just Duke

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Then these was this game...

Have a look at some of the goals scored against us, they are laying the ball off to players in space to tap it in.

I've said this plenty of times. JJ and Nazon at times both guilty of making the right decision and going solo. This is why they are in the 4th division tho.

JJ had another, the last kick of the game nearly at Chesterfield. He shot from to most tightest of angles. Plus the fact it went high over the bar. A cut back ball or low drilled ball is the better choice.

What find interesting is what people will accept as trying or class because they are fans favourites.

Others could do the same thing and be hurled dogs abuse at!

Nick · Nov 26, 2017

steve82 said:
I've said this plenty of times. JJ and Nazon at times both guilty of making the right decision and going solo. This is why they are in the 4th division tho.

JJ had another, the last kick of the game nearly at Chesterfield. He shot from to most tightest of angles. Plus the fact it went high over the bar. A cut back ball or low drilled ball is the better choice.

What find interesting is what people will accept as trying or class because they are fans favourites.

Others could do the same thing and be hurled dogs abuse at!

Yep, when I have pointed it out previously (probably after that Forest Green game when you could hear McNulty shouting for it and going mental every time he was in space) it is "well nobody else is going to score if they dont shoot" or "it's because the strikers are no good they wont get passed the ball".

If it was Vincenti shooting with 3 players in front of him when Jones or Duck were stood in space for a tap in there would be a meltdown.

It's one of the reasons it looks like we have loads of chances / shots when in reality they were all awful with much better options.

steve82 · Nov 26, 2017

Nick said:
Yep, when I have pointed it out previously (probably after that Forest Green game when you could hear McNulty shouting for it and going mental every time he was in space) it is "well nobody else is going to score if they dont shoot" or "it's because the strikers are no good they wont get passed the ball".

If it was Vincenti shooting with 3 players in front of him when Jones or Duck were stood in space for a tap in there would be a meltdown.

Plenty of fans see what they want to see.

MR has said a few occasions in his interviews, players not playing the right pass, shooting when a pass is better, passing when the shot is better....
overall decision making hasn't been right in the attacking areas yet we've often had one or two solo players going alone in the 11

It's little wonder our goal returns not great, plus factor the perfect goal we seem to want to score when the team player get that vital opportunity.

Frustrating for us and MR for sure. Let's hope the tide turns the second half of the season.

better days · Nov 26, 2017

Good constructive comments
It was the point of starting the thread
JJ was guilty on occasion but that was part of making the wrong choice through inexperience maybe
Kevin de Bruyne has it right when he says he enjoys setting up goals as much as scoring
Pundits are now saying he's the best player in the country
The Duke should think about that

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