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fatso

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #141
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We scored 2 from open play in 6 games so let's bin off Gyo
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Wtf are you on about?
 
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steve cooper

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #142
Martin180 said:
We win a game and are off the bottom of the table and we are gloating about a player who was part of a side top of the league before tonight’s games
Dom Hyam is and was a massive part of our success in recent seasons and we are now suddenly better off without him while we are sitting 23rd in the league
#shakesheadandleavesthread
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I liked Hyam but it doesn't mean a lot that he is part of a team that were top for a few hours, having played 2 games more than other teams around them. Max Biamou was part of a League 1 winning team in 2019/20.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #143
fatso said:
Wtf are you on about?
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*sigh*
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #144
Napoli must be feeling a bit silly that they spent 10 million quid on Leo Ostigard when they could have just signed the apparently superior Michael Rose for a fraction of that.
 
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Frostie

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #145
PVA said:
Napoli must be feeling a bit silly that they spent 10 million quid on Leo Ostigard when they could have just signed the apparently superior Michael Rose for a fraction of that.
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Tbf Ostigard can't get a game for them so they probably wouldn't notice the difference.
He's not likely to cost them £10m if he's not triggering appearance clauses etc. either.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #146
PVA said:
Napoli must be feeling a bit silly that they spent 10 million quid on Leo Ostigard when they could have just signed the apparently superior Michael Rose for a fraction of that.
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Most of the Hyam diehards on here would rather him than Ostigard.
 

Gibbo

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #147
The one thing I like about the Dom Hyam sale is his personal story.

Released by Reading iirc, joing us just as we dropped into League 2 and when we were very definetely on our uppers. Because of injuries to Willis, he had to play in the first games. Rises with us, and is now on the verge (possibly) of the Prem. This a great story for him.

Personally I thought he was two slow and not good enough in the air, which he made up for by being a smart bloke who knew how to manage stuff. Jolly good luck to him, but the clean sheets since his departure show that he was not irreplaceable. And we got good money for him

A lot of the howling with anguish at his departure is just silly romanticism.
 
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long way home

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #148
Seemed a very likeable lad within the squad, but needs must and he was the one we got the offer for. He never let us down helped us progress and now we all move on. Its best to look at what we have than think about those we haven't. And at the minute we are playing well as a defensive unit so no real need to go back over old ground.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #149
PVA said:
Napoli must be feeling a bit silly that they spent 10 million quid on Leo Ostigard when they could have just signed the apparently superior Michael Rose for a fraction of that.
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They paid nowhere near £10m - the Italian press quoted €5m with a couple of million in add ons, which I doubt will ever get paid.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #150
fatso said:
I don't think anyone's gloating, we are just pointing out to the bed wetters that it's not the end of the world.
Can you imagine how they would react if MR was to leave.
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Some of the hyam haters are bed wetters tho. Tlaking about relegation and how we shudnt expect any wins moving forwards
 

ms639

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #151
We look more solid defensively than we ever have, we aren’t a club with a bottomless pit of cash, we have 4 very very capable centre halves.

I honestly think the squad we have today (addition of palmer, panzo and Doyle, bidwell looking a very solid option at LB and with Josh Eccles development) that we actually have a stronger squad today than we did with hyam

Struggle to understand the fans who berate the owners over ‘a lack of investment’ when we held onto our big 3, absolutely nobody thought that Gus, Cal and Gyok would all be here this season, yet here we are. The investment in the summer was holding onto these guys.


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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #152
ms639 said:
We look more solid defensively than we ever have, we aren’t a club with a bottomless pit of cash, we have 4 very very capable centre halves.

I honestly think the squad we have today (addition of palmer, panzo and Doyle, bidwell looking a very solid option at LB and with Josh Eccles development) that we actually have a stronger squad today than we did with hyam

Struggle to understand the fans who berate the owners over ‘a lack of investment’ when we held onto our big 3, absolutely nobody thought that Gus, Cal and Gyok would all be here this season, yet here we are. The investment in the summer was holding onto these guys.


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Think everyone needed one of the three to be sold such a shame no one could meet our valuations.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #153
Sky Blue Pete said:
Think everyone needed one of the three to be sold such a shame no one could meet our valuations.
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Well somebody clearly did and then the player back heeled himself to the sidelines
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #154
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well somebody clearly did and then the player back heeled himself to the sidelines
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Not sure they met our valuation. They may have done. He’s also not a Burnley player is he?

I just can’t get my head around the conversations I have with the seeming lack of investment and interest in pursuing a decent championship team going forward
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #155
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not sure they met our valuation. They may have done. He’s also not a Burnley player is he?

I just can’t get my head around the conversations I have with the seeming lack of investment and interest in pursuing a decent championship team going forward
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He isn’t because he tore his hamstring on the eve of the sale. People miss here the issue is less that it was Hyam who got sold but the way it was done along with the timing.

I’m yet to be convinced it wasn’t out of desperation for short term funds.
 
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fatso

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #156
covcity4life said:
Some of the hyam haters are bed wetters tho. Tlaking about relegation and how we shudnt expect any wins moving forwards
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It's a crazy world.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #157
Was kind of expecting this to be a case of

-make thread
-several people say it was a shit sale
-thread dies


Didn't happen
 

pw362

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #158
If we sold one of the big 3 we could buy him back in January
 
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Hobo

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #159
Deleted member 5849 said:
The point being if you can rely on your defenders, you can take more chances in attack.

It also partly explains why our defensive record whenever Wilson is in goal is good - we retreat more to protect him.
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You could say that about any goalkeeper in a team that keeps clean sheets. Because that is what well organised defences do. They retreat to protect the goalkeeper. Clean sheets are the foundation of any good team.

In modern football 10 players defend and 10 players attack.

Wilson has made some good saves this season and has on the whole dealt with situations in a positive manner.

I dont think Wilson's 'percieved' vulnerability is the reason for our improved defence at all. It is more a case of reseting and going back to basics.. Some basics that had started to drift in the later part of last season when Wilson wasnt in the team.
 
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Colin Steins Smile

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #160
Our centre half issues will need addressing both in January and next summer.
If Callum Doyle doesn't continue to get a decent amount of game time, we could face MCFC recalling him in January.
Secondly, we know that both Panzo and Doyle will return to their clubs and with Fadz & Rose both out of contract at the end of the season, we face a major rebuild of the defence. This could be a great opportunity for an upgrade, but does present risks. On current form I feel Fadz should be offered a new one year contract.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #161
Hobo said:
You could say that about any goalkeeper in a team that keeps clean sheets. Because that is what well organised defences do. They retreat to protect the goalkeeper. Clean sheets are the foundation of any good team.

In modern football 10 players defend and 10 players attack.

Wilson has made some good saves this season and has on the whole dealt with situations in a positive manner.

I dont think Wilson's 'percieved' vulnerability is the reason for our improved defence at all. It is more a case of reseting and going back to basics.. Some basics that had started to drift in the later part of last season when Wilson wasnt in the team.
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I'm comparing now to the last third of our first season in this division. Robins has done exactly the same in both - been pragmatic, recognised results are more important than style and, when confidence is maybe down and creativity not what it should be, has focussed first in setting up to be hard to beat, and hope to grind out results.

Consequence of that is that defensive record improves, attacking record declines as well, however. Does that negate the players in entirety? Nope, of course not, but to suggest, as some are, that our improved defensive record is because Hyam isn't there is madness!

Of course it also helps when the goalkeeper hasn't been gifting a goal or two a game to the opposition, as well...
 
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fatso

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #162
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He isn’t because he tore his hamstring on the eve of the sale. People miss here the issue is less that it was Hyam who got sold but the way it was done along with the timing.

I’m yet to be convinced it wasn’t out of desperation for short term funds.
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Of course it was desperation, we had no gate receipts, and we had no alternative to pick up the bill for the pitch repairs.
My guess is that Sisu were desperate for income and took whatever they could get for Hyam, as he was probably the easiest and cheapest to replace. (Before the work permit fiasco scuppered his replacement)

In terms of results, we havnt missed him at all, in fact we've never been as solid as we are now. But there's no doubt we need cover ASAP.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #163
fatso said:
Of course it was desperation, we had no gate receipts, and we had no alternative to pick up the bill for the pitch repairs.
My guess is that Sisu were desperate for income and took whatever they could get for Hyam, as he was probably the easiest and cheapest to replace. (Before the work permit fiasco scuppered his replacement)

In terms of results, we havnt missed him at all, in fact we've never been as solid as we are now. But there's no doubt we need cover ASAP.
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Most other clubs would see their owner providing stop gap finance to be recovered when the postponed matches were eventually held. Our owner provided nothing and led to us flogging someone off on the cheap near the end of the window.
 
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fatso

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #164
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Most other clubs would see their owner providing stop gap finance to be recovered when the postponed matches were eventually held. Our owner provided nothing and led to us flogging someone off on the cheap near the end of the window.
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I doubt the current global financial situation will permit a Hedge fund like sisu to piss money away on a football club.

What our fans fail to appreciate is that Hedge funds are currently looking to off load liabilities (like football clubs) rather than invest further in loss making businesses.

We hear that sisu arnt looking to sell, but my guess is that if a reasonable offer came in, they'd bight the buyers hand off.

There won't be a chance to pay back any short term loans later, as MR will want to bring in defensive cover in January, and the squad will need to be completely overhauled at the end of the season.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #165
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He isn’t because he tore his hamstring on the eve of the sale. People miss here the issue is less that it was Hyam who got sold but the way it was done along with the timing.

I’m yet to be convinced it wasn’t out of desperation for short term funds.
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Yep completely opposite to what Dave Boddy said at the supporters forum
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #166
fatso said:
Of course it was desperation, we had no gate receipts, and we had no alternative to pick up the bill for the pitch repairs.
My guess is that Sisu were desperate for income and took whatever they could get for Hyam, as he was probably the easiest and cheapest to replace. (Before the work permit fiasco scuppered his replacement)

In terms of results, we havnt missed him at all, in fact we've never been as solid as we are now. But there's no doubt we need cover ASAP.
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Not a sisu decision allegedly or a robins one. Make of that what you will
 

fatso

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #167
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not a sisu decision allegedly or a robins one. Make of that what you will
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Well I don't believe MR was happy about the sale, so that only leaves Sisu.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #168
fatso said:
Well I don't believe MR was happy about the sale, so that only leaves Sisu.
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Tim Fisher
Dave Boddy
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #169
The clean sheets could well be coincidence. Let’s not forget Charles-Cook’s record, and yet I wouldn’t have him anywhere near our academy.
 

fatso

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #170
Sky Blue Pete said:
Tim Fisher
Dave Boddy
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Both employees of sisu? (Either directly or indirectly) and both restricted by the amount of funds generated by the club, OR invested by sisu.
Either way Sisu have the final say.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #171
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep completely opposite to what Dave Boddy said at the supporters forum
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He said Hyam wasn't sold because of cashflow problems did he not?
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #172
I'll bet Vik still tears him a new one when we play them
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #173
fatso said:
I doubt the current global financial situation will permit a Hedge fund like sisu to piss money away on a football club.

What our fans fail to appreciate is that Hedge funds are currently looking to off load liabilities (like football clubs) rather than invest further in loss making businesses.

We hear that sisu arnt looking to sell, but my guess is that if a reasonable offer came in, they'd bight the buyers hand off.

There won't be a chance to pay back any short term loans later, as MR will want to bring in defensive cover in January, and the squad will need to be completely overhauled at the end of the season.
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They've been here 15 years. That in itself is extremely odd for a hedge fund usually looking for a quick buck
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #174
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They've been here 15 years. That in itself is extremely odd for a hedge fund usually looking for a quick buck
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It's a private equity fund that took us over
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 21, 2022
  • #175
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's a private equity fund that took us over
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Either way I'm pretty sure they didn't plan on still being here by this time.
 
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