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The dom hyam sale (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Oct 19, 2022
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slowpoke

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #106
Grendel said:
Boddy when the deal signed was very bullish about a new pitch being promised then admitted it was not a contractual agreement at all

He also made a claim that Hyam was not sold for cash flow issues
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Hyam was sold because another sale was scuppered because the player concerned told the club he was going nowhere, there had been an inquiry for Hyam turned down but then rekindled by us and it became a buyers market.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #107
fernandopartridge said:
Our best defender is MacFadzean

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
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This season yes clearly.

But last season it was the bloke ranked statistically amongst the best in the division and who is now captaining the team at the top of the league.

Blackburn wouldn't swap Hyam for MacFadzean (even if Fadz was 5 years younger)
 
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fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #108
PVA said:
This season yes clearly.

But last season it was the bloke ranked statistically amongst the best in the division and who is now captaining the team at the top of the league.

Blackburn wouldn't swap Hyam for MacFadzean (even if Fadz was 5 years younger)
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Hyam wouldn't even get a start here now.
So good luck to him at Blackburn.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #109
fatso said:
Hyam wouldn't even get a start here now.
So good luck to him at Blackburn.
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Hahah you have to be joking.

That's just an absurd comment
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #110
PVA said:
Hahah you have to be joking.

That's just an absurd comment
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So if Hyam was still here and injured you would bring him back even though we don’t even look like having opposition getting a shot on target let alone conceding a goal?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #111
PVA said:
This season yes clearly.

But last season it was the bloke ranked statistically amongst the best in the division and who is now captaining the team at the top of the league.

Blackburn wouldn't swap Hyam for MacFadzean (even if Fadz was 5 years younger)
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What statistics had him among the best? Who was the best in these “statistics”?
 

Mild-Mannered Janitor

Kindest Bloke on CCFC / Maker of CCFC Dreams
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #112
All about balancing the books, when Blackburn first asked, we were saying no as the club clearly expected the books to be balanced from one of the 3 recognised stars we all thought would go, when those deals fell apart, we had to balance with a fire sale late on which is never a good bargaining position.

Wish him well, he has developed way beyond I first thought he would, I thought he lacked pace and would not be able to improve that enough and he has, like all at this level, has fantastic games but will also get caught out at times and have the odd howler.

Move on, he’s gone, we can enjoy or not, what we have now but longing for that ex is a strange and weird torment
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #113
Amelia said:
surely not
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Well that’s the point isn’t it.

Blackburn have conceded a lot of goals this season - we conceded 4 of our goals with Hyam in the team in 2 games - we won League 1 with Shipley in midfield - he’s not the best player in League 1
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #114
PVA said:
This season yes clearly.

But last season it was the bloke ranked statistically amongst the best in the division and who is now captaining the team at the top of the league.

Blackburn wouldn't swap Hyam for MacFadzean (even if Fadz was 5 years younger)
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No, he has been for the last 3 years
 
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Jamesimus

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #115
PVA said:
This season yes clearly.
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And last season.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #116
Our good run to the L1 title really started once McFadz settled down and found his feet, he's never looked back since
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #117
Jamesimus said:
And last season.
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And the season before that
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #118
Grendel said:
So if Hyam was still here and injured you would bring him back even though we don’t even look like having opposition getting a shot on target let alone conceding a goal?
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He's obviously better than Doyle or Rose.

He's been one of the first names on the team sheet since promotion, clearly ahead of Rose in the pecking order so why would he not get ahead of Rose now?

We all know you were massively wrong on Hyam, embarrassingly so, so I don't think your opinion on him is worth a lot to be honest.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #119
PVA said:
He's obviously better than Doyle or Rose.

He's been one of the first names on the team sheet since promotion, clearly ahead of Rose in the pecking order so why would he not get ahead of Rose now?


We all know you were massively wrong on Hyam, embarrassingly so, so I don't think your opinion on him is worth a lot to be honest.
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“We all know” - yet your not getting an abundance of support on the claim he’s been our best defender.

So if he was here and injured since game two he’s straight back?

Rose has started 74 league games despite a string of injuries so the pecking order statement isn’t factually accurate
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #120
Grendel said:
“We all know” - yet your not getting an abundance of support on the claim he’s been our best defender.

So if he was here and injured since game two he’s straight back?

Rose has started 74 league games despite a string of injuries so the pecking order statement isn’t factually accurate
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What planet are you on, of course it it's factual.

In the two seasons in the Championship Rose has been on the bench 31 times. Hyam has been on the bench 3 times.

How is it not factually accurate that Hyam was above Rose in the pecking order? That's fucking wild even for you.
 
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Calista

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #121
Grendel said:
By some distance - we’ve had our best defensive record since our “best defender” left the club
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But our miserly defence also includes Panzo, who you said is nowhere near good enough.

It’s clear that our recent string of clean sheets is mainly down to a change of tactics, a pragmatic approach well executed by the manager. Boring football, but much needed in the circumstances.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #122
PVA said:
What planet are you on, of course it it's factual.

In the two seasons in the Championship Rose has been on the bench 31 times. Hyam has been on the bench 3 times.

How is it not factually accurate that Hyam was above Rose in the pecking order? That's fucking wild even for you.
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So Hyam has missed 74 games? They played together

Biamou was ahead of Gyokeres at one point was he better (actually let’s not go there)

Anyway You are refusing to answer if he’s fit would he be straight in

You also haven’t now admitted he wasn’t our best defender - which no one on this thread seems to agree with do they? Though you seem to be backtracking
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #123
Calista said:
But our miserly defence also includes Panzo, who you said is nowhere near good enough.

It’s clear that our recent string of clean sheets is mainly down to a change of tactics, a pragmatic approach well executed by the manager. Boring football, but much needed in the circumstances.
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The point is without Mcfazdean we struggle - he’s head and shoulders above Hyam - Hyam leading the back 3 would not be a favourable outcome
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #124
Grendel said:
The point is without Mcfazdean we struggle - he’s head and shoulders above Hyam - Hyam leading the back 3 would not be a favourable outcome
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Would you rather Hyam than Rose or Panzo?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #125
Grendel said:
So Hyam has missed 74 games? They played together

Biamou was ahead of Gyokeres at one point was he better (actually let’s not go there)

Anyway You are refusing to answer if he’s fit would he be straight in

You also haven’t now admitted he wasn’t our best defender - which no one on this thread seems to agree with do they? Though you seem to be backtracking
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Have you had a bang to the head?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #126
PVA said:
Have you had a bang to the head?
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Again your stock response

Mcfazdean best defender in the last 3 years - yes or no?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #127
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Would you rather Hyam than Rose or Panzo?
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Not really. I think as ex players go he’s forgettable - Panzo isn’t a great defender but I doubt it’s going to make much difference
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #128
Grendel said:
Again your stock response

Mcfazdean best defender in the last 3 years - yes or no?
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Do you understand numbers? Do you know that 31 is higher than 3?

In my opinion Hyam has been our best defender in the last 2 seasons. Hence why he was signed by the team currently top of the league. This is not a slight on McFadzean, I think he's been excellent.

That is subjective, a matter of opinion.

Hyam being above Rose in the pecking order for the last 2 seasons is factual. It's just bizarre to try and argue otherwise.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #129
PVA said:
Do you understand numbers? Do you know that 31 is higher than 3?

In my opinion Hyam has been our best defender in the last 2 seasons. Hence why he was signed by the team currently top of the league. This is not a slight on McFadzean, I think he's been excellent.

That is subjective, a matter of opinion.

Hyam being above Rose in the pecking order for the last 2 seasons is factual. It's just bizarre to try and argue otherwise.
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Its equally bizarre to claim Mcfazdean hasn’t been better than Hyam and if Hyam was here and Mcfazdean had been let go we’d be in a far worse place now

I’m not sure what understanding numbers means.
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #130
PVA said:
Hahah you have to be joking.

That's just an absurd comment
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Here's some numbers for you...
5 clean sheets in 6
1 goal conceded in 6 games
Would you honestly break up that defensive unit ? You've got to be joking.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #131
fatso said:
Here's some numbers for you...
5 clean sheets in 6
1 goal conceded in 6 games
Would you honestly break up that defensive unit ? You've got to be joking.
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Well who knows it could have been 6 clean sheets in 6 with Hyam. It could have been zero clean sheets. Nobody knows.

But what we do know is Hyam is better than Rose, hence being picked over him for the last 2 seasons, so of course he gets in the team.

Would you keep picking Allen over O'Hare?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #132
Grendel said:
So if Hyam was still here and injured you would bring him back even though we don’t even look like having opposition getting a shot on target let alone conceding a goal?
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Yes
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #133
Grendel said:
So if Hyam was still here and injured you would bring him back even though we don’t even look like having opposition getting a shot on target let alone conceding a goal?
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This you?

Grendel said:
defending seemed pretty dire second half and we rode our luck
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Not like you to change the narrative to fit whatever argument you're losing at the time.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #134
fatso said:
Here's some numbers for you...
5 clean sheets in 6
1 goal conceded in 6 games
Would you honestly break up that defensive unit ? You've got to be joking.
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We scored 2 from open play in 6 games so let's bin off Gyo
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #135
Grendel said:
Not really. I think as ex players go he’s forgettable - Panzo isn’t a great defender but I doubt it’s going to make much difference
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Do you think we’d be able to sell Rose for £1.5m then? Sounds like a good deal to me.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #136
SBT said:
Do you think we’d be able to sell Rose for £1.5m then? Sounds like a good deal to me.
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We don’t know how much we sold Hyam for
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #137
Grendel said:
We don’t know how much we sold Hyam for
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But you think we'd get a similar fee for Rose, is what you're saying?
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #138
Martin180 said:
We win a game and are off the bottom of the table and we are gloating about a player who was part of a side top of the league before tonight’s games
Dom Hyam is and was a massive part of our success in recent seasons and we are now suddenly better off without him while we are sitting 23rd in the league
#shakesheadandleavesthread
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No on is saying he wasn't a great player but our defence has been far better since he left.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #139
pusbccfc said:
No on is saying he wasn't a great player but our defence has been far better since he left.
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I would argue it's since we sacrificed quality of football for being solid defensively.
 
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pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2022
  • #140
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I would argue it's since we sacrificed quality of football for being solid defensively.
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Fine by me!
 
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