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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
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torchomatic

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #37
armybike said:
New head of comms at CCFC!
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You put an F in there by mistake.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #38
tim07 said:
Gilbert did a fair job of unpicking the SISU deceits
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That's the frustration. SISU say something and there's FOI requests flying in and a determination to show the statement to be false. Higgs, CCC, ACL, CSF or Wasps come out with something and its not challenged.

For example in the piece about Wasps moving to Higgs Wasps claimed they picked that site as it was in the city centre and close to the Ricoh - its neither yet it goes unchallenged.

Surely as the local paper they should really be pushing Wasps on why, when they claimed there was 17 possible sites, they are going for the one that impacts the academy. Same with Higgs, go after them for their vindictive actions against the club. And with CCC, push them on their attempts to block the club playing elsewhere.
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #39
Perhaps the 17 sites Wasps had identified all had planning permission for SISU to develop a state of the art stadium/academy on?


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Nick

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #40
tim07 said:
Perhaps the 17 sites Wasps had identified all had planning permission for SISU to develop a state of the art stadium/academy on?


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And that's exactly why most people are so misinformed. Blind hatred and no interest in the actual truth as long as they can spin it to make sisu look bad.
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #41
Well, the SISU apologists/CCC batters keep trolling out the myth that CCFC is being blocked at every turn.
So no doubt they will be able to reference the lodged applications; these are available on CCC website even if sometimes heavily redacted to preserve 'confidentiality'
Ha.
No, thought not.

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torchomatic

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #42
chiefdave said:
That's the frustration. SISU say something and there's FOI requests flying in and a determination to show the statement to be false. Higgs, CCC, ACL, CSF or Wasps come out with something and its not challenged.

For example in the piece about Wasps moving to Higgs Wasps claimed they picked that site as it was in the city centre and close to the Ricoh - its neither yet it goes unchallenged.

Surely as the local paper they should really be pushing Wasps on why, when they claimed there was 17 possible sites, they are going for the one that impacts the academy. Same with Higgs, go after them for their vindictive actions against the club. And with CCC, push them on their attempts to block the club playing elsewhere.
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The Trust have been just the same. They're happy enough to fire off FOI requests to councils asking if an application for a stadium has been made. Not so proactive on other occasions, are they?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #43
The first focus of any journalist should be holding elected members to account. What a private limited company does isn't really their business.
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #44
So the Trust have exposed the myths as well. Fair play to them.

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stupot07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #45
tim07 said:
Well, the SISU apologists/CCC batters keep trolling out the myth that CCFC is being blocked at every turn.
So no doubt they will be able to reference the lodged applications; these are available on CCC website even if sometimes heavily redacted to preserve 'confidentiality'
Ha.
No, thought not.

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What a cock.

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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #46
Perhaps he didn't feel holding elected members to account was worthwhile being as the courts have so decisively and comprehensively concluded that their actions have been wholly proper?


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Nick

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #47
tim07 said:
Well, the SISU apologists/CCC batters keep trolling out the myth that CCFC is being blocked at every turn.
So no doubt they will be able to reference the lodged applications; these are available on CCC website even if sometimes heavily redacted to preserve 'confidentiality'
Ha.
No, thought not.

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What myths are you talking about?
 

Nick

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #48
tim07 said:
Perhaps he didn't feel holding elected members to account was worthwhile being as the courts have so decisively and comprehensively concluded that their actions have been wholly proper?


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Wasn't it only to do with whether it was state aid or not? That 1 decision?
 

covcity4life

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #49
stupot07 said:
There is definitely something going on with the moderation of comments too. Any that seems to criticise any side other than sisu get deleted, its so obviously because they leave the replies in which usually contain abuse about them being a "sisufanboy' or 'sisu stooge'.

I've commented before with no problem but then weds/Thursday I tried to comments on 2 articles basically saying that between them all incl sisu, they're doing a great job of shafting the academy, the club and us fans. Nothing liabilous, nothing abusive. Got the green I on saying waiting to be moderated before publishing. They were never published, but lots of sisu scum, sisu out, etc, etc had been posted, moderated and published after mine had been rejected.

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That is so bad

Like north Korea bad
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #50
Let me think. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/buying-land-new-coventry-city-6404266
We're being blocked at every turn.



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Nick

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #51
tim07 said:
Let me think. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/buying-land-new-coventry-city-6404266
We're being blocked at every turn.



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Can you list all of the myths?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #52
tim07 said:
We're being blocked at every turn.
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What are your thoughts on CCC attempting to get the lease changed to prevent the club playing at the Butts, or Higgs putting a restriction in place preventing the academy remaining at Higgs?
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #53
Nick said:
Wasn't it only to do with whether it was state aid or not? That 1 decision?
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Yes. What else is there?
Trading company wants freehold on a stadium they can lease back to a football club that they own and manage.
But don't want to pay for?
I can't quite work out why Simon should be holding elected members to account for this. Of course, as previously stated on here, the actions of private trading companies are not his business.


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Grendel

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #54
tim07 said:
Yes. What else is there?
Trading company wants freehold on a stadium they can lease back to a football club that they own and manage.
But don't want to pay for?
I can't quite work out why Simon should be holding elected members to account for this. Of course, as previously stated on here, the actions of private trading companies are not his business.


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What was the first CCFC match you ever attended Tim?
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #55
Nick said:
There's no doubt there are a few in there who aren't plants. They are just like bob latchford on ecstasy and cans of red bull!

They refuse to post on here because they get called out on just posting the same incorrect stuff over and over
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Nick said:
Have to be paranoid about people's motives when they try to sign-up a few accounts, using proxies around the world and don't know the name of the football team they are signing up about (in that example).

It's world's away from just having a different opinion.
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Some people are paranoid, I've been accused on this forum of being Bob Latchford and an GMK user . Well for the record I've never been on GMK and I'm definitely not Bob Latchford.
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #56
Cov City v Port Vale 1959-60

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Nick

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #57
tim07 said:
Yes. What else is there?
Trading company wants freehold on a stadium they can lease back to a football club that they own and manage.
But don't want to pay for?
I can't quite work out why Simon should be holding elected members to account for this. Of course, as previously stated on here, the actions of private trading companies are not his business.


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So the only issue any ccfc fan has with the council is if it was state aid?
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
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CCFC? I don't think CCFC has ever had any issue with the Council.
SISU however have many issues, the primary one being that they (CCC) refused to be bullied.

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chiefdave

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #59
tim07 said:
CCFC? I don't think CCFC has ever had any issue with the Council.
SISU however have many issues, the primary one being that they (CCC) refused to be bullied.
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So why did the council attempt to get the lease at the Butts amended to state professional football can't be played there. Is it SISU or CCFC who play football?
 

Captain Dart

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #60
Story just got into national press.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/s...-us-out-of-town-coventry-city-claim-v0xlt3f37
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #61
Guessing CCC legal team recommended this insertion to protect interest of primary tenant, presumably at request of that nervous tenant. Hardly an amendment though, this was part of the covenant that existed ever since CRFC moved into BPA.
The changes in lease status; possibly enabling development of the site probably caught CCC on the hop (because new owner DID want to explore discussions CCFC?)
It's all a distraction though. The site is more than 52 acres smaller than what Mr Fisher has repeatedly said is required, so should be dismissed.
It helps the apologists, it means they have the feeblest imaginable excuse to say they have been baulked/obstructed/defied at every turn.
But there surely isn't anyone ANYWHERE that seriously thought that the BPA and surrounding infrastructure (rather lack of) could ever support anything other than non league football?
Looking forward to reading about all the other CCC actions that have blocked CCFCs progress on developing the new stadium.

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CCFC_Charlie

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #62
tim07 said:
CCFC? I don't think CCFC has ever had any issue with the Council.
SISU however have many issues, the primary one being that they (CCC) refused to be bullied.

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Interesting that in your entire post history you haven't spoken about the actual football once, but instead seem to have signed up to this forum to defend the council?
 
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Nick

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  • Jun 11, 2016
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Captain Dart said:
Story just got into national press.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/s...-us-out-of-town-coventry-city-claim-v0xlt3f37
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Do you have to pay to read it?
 

Nick

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #64
tim07 said:
CCFC? I don't think CCFC has ever had any issue with the Council.
SISU however have many issues, the primary one being that they (CCC) refused to be bullied.

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You missed a word out, you don't seem to be in touch with some of the issues people have.
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #65
chiefdave said:
So why did the council attempt to get the lease at the Butts amended to state professional football can't be played there. Is it SISU or CCFC who play football?
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It may be wise to view the SISU / CCFC. relationship in the same way that SISU see it.
Any monies spent by the owners remains OWED, attracts interest and the debt falls due in 2017.

Does anyone need the truth about a new stadium spelling out?

If the day ever comes SISU will charge CCFC to play there.

And if any local authority is dumb enough to fall for another failed stadium venture, their local tax payers will never forgive them. So hardly likely to touch them with a barge pole



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Nick

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  • Jun 11, 2016
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tim07 said:
It may be wise to view the SISU / CCFC. relationship in the same way that SISU see it.
Any monies spent by the owners remains OWED, attracts interest and the debt falls due in 2017.

Does anyone need the truth about a new stadium spelling out?

If the day ever comes SISU will charge CCFC to play there.

And if any local authority is dumb enough to fall for another failed stadium venture, their local tax payers will never forgive them. So hardly likely to touch them with a barge pole



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But if somebody says they have an issue about the council for something like bringing Wasps here, why do you just keep replying about a stadium?

Can you confirm the issues you think CCFC FANS have with the council? Not CCFC, not SISU. The fans. ie people on this site.
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #67
Nick said:
But if somebody says they have an issue about the council for something like bringing Wasps here, why do you just keep replying about a stadium?

Can you confirm the issues you think CCFC FANS have with the council? Not CCFC, not SISU. The fans. ie this site.
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Perhaps you should choose your words more carefully, Nick. Otherwise the FANS on here may get misled?

So for starters.....since when did the council 'BRING Wasps here'?

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chiefdave

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  • Jun 11, 2016
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tim07 said:
Guessing CCC legal team recommended this insertion to protect interest of primary tenant, presumably at request of that nervous tenant. Hardly an amendment though, this was part of the covenant that existed ever since CRFC moved into BPA.
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Surely the primary tenant can protect themselves. Or are you saying SISU are so powerful they can force any groundshare agreement they desire?

If Millerchip is concerned he doesn't have to sell the lease. The sub lease holder certainly doesn't seem concerned.

The current clause allows it to be used for rugby. The amendment suggested by the council specifically excluded professional football.

It is suggested that we look to add a new clause 12 to the Licence which make a variation or agreement/acknowledgement between the parties that the reference within clause 13.1 of the lease to “any other leisure and sporting activities and uses” shall specifically exclude professional association football or training associated therewith.
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #69
tim07 said:
So for starters.....since when did the council 'BRING Wasps here'?
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Would Wasps be here had the council not sold ACL to them?
 

Nick

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #70
tim07 said:
Perhaps you should choose your words more carefully, Nick. Otherwise the FANS on here may get misled?

So for starters.....since when did the council 'BRING Wasps here'?

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When you answer my question about fans and their issues?
 
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