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NortonSkyBlue

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  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #141
Otis said:
Hasn't everyone?
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They could do with a different approach to their relationships, that much is clear.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #142
dongonzalos said:
Interesting quote......

But asked today if any involvement with the football club had now been ruled out, Mr Sharp said: “I have certainly firmly ruled out any involvement with Sisu.”
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People can insist that the SISU isn't the club as much as they like if it makes them feel better but the truth is we've seen time and time again that people don't want to deal with SISU and that ultimately means that they won't deal with the club.
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #143
dongonzalos said:
Interesting quote......

But asked today if any involvement with the football club had now been ruled out, Mr Sharp said: “I have certainly firmly ruled out any involvement with Sisu.”
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Who inferred a 25,000 capacity stadium was a possibility?

Grendel said:
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Sharpe said it would hold 25,000 - so you know better. Are you an architect?
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #144
I cant help wondering if Mr Sharp is being very careful with his words in this statement. He doesn't rule out dealing with CCFC, more it seems to me rules out direct involvement with SISU in the project
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #145
oldskyblue58 said:
I cant help wondering if Mr Sharp is being very careful with his words in this statement. He doesn't rule out dealing with CCFC, more it seems to me rules out direct involvement with SISU in the project
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It is weird he says that.

Would be good to know the question put to him
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #146
oldskyblue58 said:
I cant help wondering if Mr Sharp is being very careful with his words in this statement. He doesn't rule out dealing with CCFC, more it seems to me rules out direct involvement with SISU in the project
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Yep. Seems abundantly clear. He made a point of saying Sisu.

Very clear indication that he may well work with someone else.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #147
Nick said:
It is weird he says that.

Would be good to know the question put to him
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Why is it weird?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #148
Nick said:
Would be good to know the question put to him
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I would guess the question was asked during his interview with the CT. You can read what you want into the fact the answer isn't contained in the article.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #149
or is he making the point that he sees ccfc and sisu as separate entities ...................... despite the obvious sisu control of ccfc ............. so would still deal with ccfc in its present set up
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #150
skybluetony176 said:
Why is it weird?
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Because again, it is carefully chosen wording isn't it.

The question would now be to ask him to rule out working with CCFC

Or when he says he firmly rules out SISU, in reply say "So does that rule out CCFC too" and see what he says or his reaction.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #151
Nick said:
Because again, it is carefully chosen wording isn't it.

The question would now be to ask him to rule out working with CCFC

Or when he says he firmly rules out SISU, in reply say "So does that rule out CCFC too" and see what he says or his reaction.
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He already is working with CCFC. The ticket office for starters.

I think its pretty clear. Things like the ticket office, using the facilities are fine. That's dealing with the club.

Things like redeveloping the BPA in a joint venture with CCFC means investment. That means dealing with SISU. That's what he's ruled out.

Nothing weird about that all things considered.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #152
skybluetony176 said:
He already is working with CCFC. The ticket office for starters.

I think its pretty clear. Things like the ticket office, using the facilities are fine. That's dealing with the club.

Things like redeveloping the BPA in a joint venture with CCFC means investment. That means dealing with SISU. That's what he's ruled out.

Nothing weird about that all things considered.
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So there is no harm in 100% confirming it by asking about CCFC and not just leaving it at that comment then surely? His reply is carefully worded.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #153
Nick said:
So there is no harm in 100% confirming it by asking about CCFC and not just leaving it at that comment then surely? His reply is carefully worded.
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The fact that we continue to have a ticket office at BPA and have used the facilities for social events doesn't confirm that?

I suspect what you mean is to what extent he'll get involved with the club. I would say any talk of a ground share temporarily or otherwise is of the cards. The BPA is pretty full now with both codes of Rugby and a male and female football team all operating there for the foreseeable future. The real question is did JS decide to go this route as apposed to a joint venture with CCFC as that would have meant dealing with SISU? Something he's clearly ruled out.

Which leads on to another question. What if at the end of next season we're homeless because another Rugby Club won't deal with the club because of something SISU are doing? Ground share at the BPA with temporary stands looks to be of the cards as there's no room at the inn. Back to Northampton? Cardoza isn't there anymore (whatever did happen to him?) what guarantees are there that we can go back there to fulfil our fixture list?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #154
skybluetony176 said:
The fact that we continue to have a ticket office at BPA and have used the facilities for social events doesn't confirm that?
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I'm talking about the topic we are on about here, not the ticket office

He worded his reply carefully so it's left wide open, rather than just confirming that and clearing it up. The fact it isn't cleared up is weird.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #155
Nick said:
I'm talking about the topic we are on about here, not the ticket office

He worded his reply carefully so it's left wide open, rather than just confirming that and clearing it up. The fact it isn't cleared up is weird.
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Do you think he is open to dealing with a different owner if CCFC.

Or

Do you think he wanted to make a point of saying he just does not want to do business with SISU.

Or

Do you think it was just a fruediant slip as everyone knows SISU is who you do business with, not CCFC so it doesn't matter what he called it. It's simply that there isn't any plans from either side.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #156
dongonzalos said:
Do you think he is open to dealing with a different owner if CCFC.

Or

Do you think he wanted to make a point of saying he just does not want to do business with SISU.

Or

Do you think it was just a fruediant slip as everyone knows SISU is who you do business with, not CCFC so it doesn't matter what he called it. It's simply that there isn't any plans from either side.
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It is one of those things that Gilbert always says about to "let the reader make up their own mind" isn't it?

Hence, if he is very specific in his answer you give him the other question to see the answer to that one.

ie.

"Can you rule out working with CCFC?"
"We can rule out working with SISU."

You don't leave it there because you have your headline.

You say.

"But can you rule out CCFC?" and see what he says or his reaction. You don't let people give answers like that and not follow up on it.

Surely that's obvious, right?
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #157
Nick said:
I'm talking about the topic we are on about here, not the ticket office

He worded his reply carefully so it's left wide open, rather than just confirming that and clearing it up. The fact it isn't cleared up is weird.
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No it isn't weird, it is leaving his options open like a sensible business person. Words mean nothing unless acted upon.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #158
Captain Dart said:
No it isn't weird, it is leaving his options open like a sensible business person. Words mean nothing unless acted upon.
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So his words ruling out SISU mean nothing either then?

Not really sure the harm in getting him to clarify when he said it.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #159
In normal conversation if you weren't going to deal with the football club you'd say Coventry City or Sky Blues or even the football club. You wouldn't say SISU. Sharp isn't an idiot who is getting them mixed up, if he's said SISU he means SISU.
 
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skyblueinBaku

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 17, 2017
  • #160
Perhaps he thinks that a takeover is on the cards, and he would be willing to work with new owners.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #161
more from Sharpe : EXCLUSIVE: Coventry City still ‘hopeful’ of Butts groundshare as Cov rugby rule out dealing with Sisu amid ‘damaging’ campaign
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #162
More from Les Reid, SUSU's PR man more like!
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #163
So basically it's the fault of anyone who wants better owners for CCFC and is willing to say so. That's a cross I'm more than happy to bare. SISU out
 
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Deleted member 4439

Guest
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #164
Boy, that's a cringe-worthy piece, worthy of Fisher himself. Equivocation - worse than bullshit.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #165
Can't help but think shrinking the Club to the point that the Butts becomes a straightforward simple fit could be desirable to our Chairman.
Be interested to know If there is another vote on the use of 3/4G pitches in this division or if it's already permitted a league lower.
 
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CovFan

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #166
The Observer is more of a SISU mouthpiece than the Telegraph is a CCC/Wasps mouthpiece. That is quite an achievement.
 
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Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #167
wingy said:
Can't help but think shrinking the Club to the point that the Butts becomes a straightforward simple fit could be desirable to our Chairman.
Be interested to know If there is another vote on the use of 3/4G pitches in this division or if it's already permitted a league lower.
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Maybe we can use the Ricoh on big games like the first game when SISU leave or a plum tie with Chelsea then go back to the butts after that...
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #168
riyadhskyblue said:
They could do with a different approach to their relationships, that much is clear.
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couldn't we all?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #169
Covstu said:
Maybe we can use the Ricoh on big games like the first game when SISU leave or a plum tie with Chelsea then go back to the butts after that...
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It's true enough that the Ricoh doesn't suit and feels soulless and desperate with a mere 8K rattling around in it.
Never designed to envisage football at this level, so two choices take the club back to a level it belongs or trundle along as we are now and make the move.
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #170
Frankly pissed off with much/all of this. In particular.......

I wish that CCFC and CRFC would simply state what the plan is, make it clear to everyone and stick to it. Forget all the clever talk, in plain English what is the plan and with who & when, how will it work or be funded. A plan we can get behind and help drive through

It is clear that now any thing goes wrong the implication it is because the fans don't simply just support the team/club protests damage the club. Do they really think most fans are that gullible. Team form affected by protests, results affected by protests, fans aren't spending enough because of protests, fans don't have blind faith and ask questions( how dare they), the owners are upset because they cant get their own way because of the fans and others, a new ground at the BPA for CCFC is at risk because of fans protests. I assume new owners are at risk because of the fans etc................. how many excuses do TF JS and SISU need for totally screwing up..... it is always someone elses fault. It was CCC, ACL, Wasps now its the fans their major source of income. Perhaps if our owners cared, had a plan and knew how to run a football club not drive in to the ground, didn't prioritise investment losses for unknown money men above all else in managing CCFC then the fans might not feel a great and often desperate need to protest. I have never seen owners of any business try so hard to alienate its customers

Wouldn't be protests if the owners and directors were not calamitous in running the club from day 1. The fans are entitled to their say, they provide the funds that keep the club afloat

and finally this constant dick waving between the CT & Observer in the shape of the respective hacks involved. Grow up and get the real questions asked and answered in clear language, I don't care who is gods gift to reporting get some proper answers on player sales, new grounds, academy, Ryton, training grounds, the plan and not least WHY

and breathe , feel a little better for that - have a good night folks
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #171
oldskyblue58 said:
Frankly pissed off with much/all of this. In particular.......

I wish that CCFC and CRFC would simply state what the plan is, make it clear to everyone and stick to it. Forget all the clever talk, in plain English what is the plan and with who & when, how will it work or be funded. A plan we can get behind and help drive through

It is clear that now any thing goes wrong the implication it is because the fans don't simply just support the team/club protests damage the club. Do they really think most fans are that gullible. Team form affected by protests, results affected by protests, fans aren't spending enough because of protests, fans don't have blind faith and ask questions( how dare they), the owners are upset because they cant get their own way because of the fans and others, a new ground at the BPA for CCFC is at risk because of fans protests. I assume new owners are at risk because of the fans etc................. how many excuses do TF JS and SISU need for totally screwing up..... it is always someone elses fault. It was CCC, ACL, Wasps now its the fans their major source of income. Perhaps if our owners cared, had a plan and knew how to run a football club not drive in to the ground, didn't prioritise investment losses for unknown money men above all else in managing CCFC then the fans might not feel a great and often desperate need to protest. I have never seen owners of any business try so hard to alienate its customers

Wouldn't be protests if the owners and directors were not calamitous in running the club from day 1. The fans are entitled to their say, they provide the funds that keep the club afloat

and finally this constant dick waving between the CT & Observer in the shape of the respective hacks involved. Grow up and get the real questions asked and answered in clear language, I don't care who is gods gift to reporting get some proper answers on player sales, new grounds, academy, Ryton, training grounds, the plan and not least WHY

and breathe , feel a little better for that - have a good night folks
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Couldn't agree more!
Like running in quicksand.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #172
What is Les on about here?

"The Sky Blues have said they received a paltry £73,000 for the whole of last season in matchday revenues from the stadium – with Wasps creaming off the rest – and nothing in commercial non-matchday stadium revenues, which could otherwise be ploughed back into the team."

I thought CCFC share the percentage taken off Compass 50/50 with Wasps on City matchdays.

Wasps have not creamed off the rest, Compass who invested a large some of money, have got some return on their investment.

He seems pissed off because he was so out on his exclusive "Sky Blues new home" exclusive.

John Sharp and the board do not want to work with SISU. All the rest is deflection from this main point.

Blame the fans, the council, Millerchip, Wasps and the Telegraph. I don't buy it. SISU have poisoned the "brand" Coventry City FC.

That is fact. Very sad that the club is suffering.

Les is getting embarrassing.
 
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Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #173
Is it right that Les is oldfiver on here?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #174
“The board of Coventry rugby cannot deal with Sisu given the anti-Sisu sentiment in the city.”
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Well unless we're saying that's a misquote then it seems pretty clear to me. Its SISU and not CCFC that the rugby club won't deal with. Now of course that doesn't mean a groundshare is any more likely than it was yesterday but it again raises the question of what would Sharp have to gain by playing along with BS from Fisher?
 

Paxman II

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2017
  • #175
I've never understood all this BPA talk? Its not suitable for CCFC going forward.and there is a perfectly suitable stadium we play in now and can keep doing so I'm sure. Owning our stadium is not the priority in the medium term. Working with WASP and getting the team successful first is. IF we should go for our own stadium it will need to have an ability to house 30k people. No point wasting time on this BPA nonsense. Its a distraction from all things SISU and their removal.
 
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