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The Brentford/Brighton model (1 Viewer)

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Greggs

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  • Oct 22, 2023
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Seems to only work with a real scouting network rather than just signing players who 'pop up'.
Or am I wrong, again?
 
Last edited: Oct 22, 2023
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Alkhen

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #2
Greggs said:
Seems to only work with a real scouting network rather than just siging players who 'pop up'.
Or am I wrong, again?
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #3
Greggs said:
Seems to only work with a real scouting network rather than just signing players who 'pop up'.
Or am I wrong, again?
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https://giphy.com/WNgv8FfNOgUFlBh4L7
 

slowpoke

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #4
Greggs said:
Seems to only work with a real scouting network rather than just signing players who 'pop up'.
Or am I wrong, again?
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Wrong again as usual. We have or are trying to establish a proper scouting system basically from a standing start something we haven’t had here for years, I doubt Sepalla & Fisher knew what scouts were other than singing ging gang goolly round a camp fire.
Takes time.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #5
slowpoke said:
ging gang goolly
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Hearing we've put a bid in
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #6
clint van damme said:
Hearing we've put a bid in
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£5m, rising to £7.7m with each appearance on the bench
 

Sick Boy

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #7
slowpoke said:
Wrong again as usual. We have or are trying to establish a proper scouting system basically from a standing start something we haven’t had here for years, I doubt Sepalla & Fisher knew what scouts were other than singing ging gang goolly round a camp fire.
Takes time.
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So how did we sign Gyokeres and Hamer while they were here?
 
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Greggs

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #8
Sick Boy said:
So how did we sign Gyokeres and Hamer while they were here?
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O'hare, Fadz, Hyam etc etc
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #9
Greggs said:
O'hare, Fadz, Hyam etc etc
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I’m sure King said something along the lines of not being able to remember the last time he’d watched a football match, which the claim even more ridiculous.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #10
In what way are we trying to copy the “Brighton model”?

We’ve had to replace half of our starting XI. Some signings have looked good (MVE, Dasilva, Binks, Lati). Some have barely played enough to make a judgement (Saka, Kitching, Collins). Some have been worrying yes.

We’ve also essentially had to completely replace our scouting team.

I don’t see at all how our “model” has changed.
 

slowpoke

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #11
Sick Boy said:
So how did we sign Gyokeres and Hamer while they were here?
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Gyokeres was already in the country and when he first joined from Swansea a number on here including yourself thought he was pants.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #12
slowpoke said:
Gyokeres was already in the country and when he first joined from Swansea a number on here including yourself thought he was pants.
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What? How do you think clubs find players within their own country if it’s not via scouts?
Go on, show me where I said he was rubbish.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #13
Of course we had scouts but not on the Brighton/Brentford level hopefully soon it will be.
 

Greggs

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #14
slowpoke said:
Of course we had scouts but not on the Brighton/Brentford level hopefully soon it will be.
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Waffle chat as normal.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #15
Greggs said:
Waffle chat as normal.
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Why'd you have to get me started?
 
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ccfc1234

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #16
skybluecam said:
In what way are we trying to copy the “Brighton model”?

We’ve had to replace half of our starting XI. Some signings have looked good (MVE, Dasilva, Binks, Lati). Some have barely played enough to make a judgement (Saka, Kitching, Collins). Some have been worrying yes.

We’ve also essentially had to completely replace our scouting team.

I don’t see at all how our “model” has changed.
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Let's not beat around the bush all those signings, Kitching aside, who was regarded as expensive at 4.5m from league 1, were within the model of seasons gone by with a bit of extra cash from the VG signing. However where some people are understandably at a loss is how the club's record ever signing looks so woefully off what most would expect for 8 million. We will not be given an answer but I would like know how the signing came about and how close to the deal Robins was i.e. how many times he went to Turkey to watch him play live or full games via video to assess his footballing basics like first touch, shooting ability and link up play. Rather than a highlights reel, as that's not proper due diligence.
I want to give him more time as I know getting on his back will help no one (and I will never boo a CCFC player) but its increasingly frustrating as it seems all we are missing is a genuine 8m forward and we would have won games like yesterday and be well inside the top 6.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #17
slowpoke said:
Of course we had scouts but not on the Brighton/Brentford level hopefully soon it will be.
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I agree. IF we are attempting to follow that model of which is an excellent one then the scouting network right from the top has to correct. That’s an unbelievable hard thing to replicate and based on the recruitment in relation to fees paid out it’s not going well at all. It would not surprise me at all if king taps the brakes on any further spending in January and waits till the close season to review the quality of signings to date.

The best signings so far have been the frees or the loan of Binks so far.

I can see a new recruitment team being assembled early next year in preparation for next season if the fees forked out so far turn out to be a huge failure.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #18
A new recruitment team has been assembled none of us know what imput any had in our new recruits and regarding the newbies how many of the eleven have been flops.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #19
slowpoke said:
Gyokeres was already in the country and when he first joined from Swansea a number on here including yourself thought he was pants.
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Someone called Magwitch1 said biamou was better

Gyökeres

Think there’s space for 5 strikers if we are going to stick with 2 up top. Likely to have 1 injured at least at any one time so 2 starting and 2 on bench. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That’s what Tavares is for I imagine
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 
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slowpoke

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  • Oct 22, 2023
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Did he ? must have missed that, bit like the pillock who suggested Kenny Jackett should replace Mark Robins. Nothing as queer as folk.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #21
slowpoke said:
A new recruitment team has been assembled none of us know what imput any had in our new recruits and regarding the newbies how many of the eleven have been flops.
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I believe the recruitment team started to assemble in early December last year. I'd have a guess they were instrumental in the new signings.

Hadji Wright has even said he was invited over to the play off final and declined the invitation. My guess he had other irons in the fire at that time hence declining the invitation.
 

Greggs

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #22
CCFC54321 said:
I believe the recruitment team started to assemble in early December last year. I'd have a guess they were instrumental in the new signings.

Hadji Wright has even said he was invited over to the play off final and declined the invitation. My guess he had other irons in the fire at that time hence declining the invitation.
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He missed the plane
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #23
Greggs said:
He missed the plane
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He got on the wrong plane.
 

skybluecam

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #24
CCFC54321 said:
I believe the recruitment team started to assemble in early December last year. I'd have a guess they were instrumental in the new signings.

Hadji Wright has even said he was invited over to the play off final and declined the invitation. My guess he had other irons in the fire at that time hence declining the invitation.
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We could’ve been watching him in the Prem! Imagine…
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #25
skybluecam said:
We could’ve been watching him in the Prem! Imagine…
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Mate, I've just had my breakfast.
 
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Matt smith

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #26
Greggs said:
O'hare, Fadz, Hyam etc etc
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Dean Austin out

100%
 

slowpoke

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #27
Matt smith said:
Dean Austin out

100%
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So Dean Austin is responsible for our abject performance second half Saturday, if so was he responsible for our first half performance when we could even should have been 4 up.
It isn’t Austin who decides who we sign or play.
Are you suggesting Robins should go ?
 

Matt smith

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #28
slowpoke said:
So Dean Austin is responsible for our abject performance second half Saturday, if so was he responsible for our first half performance when we could even should have been 4 up.
It isn’t Austin who decides who we sign or play.
Are you suggesting Robins should go ?
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No robins shouldn’t go

he should just get someone who’s competent enough in recruitment
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #29
slowpoke said:
Wrong again as usual. We have or are trying to establish a proper scouting system basically from a standing start something we haven’t had here for years, I doubt Sepalla & Fisher knew what scouts were other than singing ging gang goolly round a camp fire.
Takes time.
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You’re about 8 years out, it was the Pressley/Mowbray years where we didn’t have a scouting network.
 
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Winny the Bish

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #30
Scouts from Brighton, City, Arsenal etc get poached all the time to become Heads of Recruitment. We got ours from St Albans City.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #31
slowpoke said:
So Dean Austin is responsible for our abject performance second half Saturday, if so was he responsible for our first half performance when we could even should have been 4 up.
It isn’t Austin who decides who we sign or play.
Are you suggesting Robins should go ?
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SlowerThanPlatt said:
You’re about 8 years out, it was the Pressley/Mowbray years where we didn’t have a scouting network.
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No I’m not, apart from Badland who did we have ? I’m not saying what we have now is ideal they haven’t been here long enough to judge but whoever the scouts are it’s the manager who decides who we sign and where they play.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #32
slowpoke said:
No I’m not, apart from Badland who did we have ? I’m not saying what we have now is ideal they haven’t been here long enough to judge but whoever the scouts are it’s the manager who decides who we sign and where they play.
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Stuart Bentham who went to Blackpool at the same time
 

Matt smith

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #33
Winny the Bish said:
Scouts from Brighton, City, Arsenal etc get poached all the time to become Heads of Recruitment. We got ours from St Albans City.
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skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #34
To get this thread back on track, can someone define what exactly the “Brighton/Brentford model” is?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #35
slowpoke said:
Wrong again as usual. We have or are trying to establish a proper scouting system basically from a standing start something we haven’t had here for years, I doubt Sepalla & Fisher knew what scouts were other than singing ging gang goolly round a camp fire.
Takes time.
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We had a scouting system before the current ones...

Ironic you are saying others are wrong.
 
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