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M3rcian

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #71
clint van damme said:
But he would need to know how a utility business is structured and if he didn't he need to bring people on board who did.
The structure of a football club, particularly on the playing/coaching side will not be like anything King has encountered in his other businesses so he will definitely have need to consult someone.
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CEO's can change industries and still be effective, precisely because they understand the fundamentals of running a business well. The operational stuff is where you invest in knowledge and experience to add specialised skills. I see with DK a CEO's approach, investing where needed, dissipating risk by not relying on a single character to determine the business's opertional performance, and subsequently acting when results risk performance delivery.

I'm a fan of MR, any cov fan should be, but in the cold light of day he simply isn't getting the results we want (or expected recently). Those expectations are largely driven by the action of DK investing massively to get us to the prem. Something had to change and unfortunately, for better or worse (time will tell), it's an operational change. So, following this logic, we should hope to see someone very effective coming in to replace MR (again time will tell).
 
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #72
chiefdave said:
Given that there doesn’t seem to be anyone lined up seems like nobody has been advising him.

Odd that the general feeling is King has wanted to do this for a while yet, unless they’ve kept it very quiet and away from the ITKs, doesn’t seem to have anyone lined up to replace him.
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It has been 24 hours since he was sacked.

There's no point bringing anyone in before Sunderland anyway.

You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #73
M3rcian said:
I disagree. CEO's can change industries and still be effective, precisely because they understand the fundamentals of running a business well. The operational stuff is where you invest in knowledge and experience to add specialised skills. I see with DK a CEO's approach, investing where needed, dissipating risk by not relying on a single character to determine the business's opertional performance, and subsequently acting when results risk performance delivery.

I'm a fan of MR, any cov fan should be, but in the cold light of day he simply isn't getting the results we want (or expected recently). Those expectation are largely driven by the action of DK investing massively to get us to the prem. Something had to change and unfortunately, for better or worse (time will tell), it's an operational change. So, following this logic, we should hope to see someone very effective coming in to replace MR (again time will tell).
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I'm not disagreeing CEOs can, and do, change industries.
I'm merely saying he wouldn't have had it in his locker to overhaul the coaching side which I think you're sort of saying.

My issue is the way he went about it and by removing Robins assistant and changing the demographic of the squad I think he set Robins up to fail.
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #74
clint van damme said:
Point 2 is all I've been asking. That would make sense.
Point 1 I don't think is relevant because it's been in the pipeline from before the season started as far as I'm concerned
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Okay, if he has asked anyone anything football related it is like to be John Taylor a professional football exec or Dean Austin the ex spurs defender a lot more than the PD.
 
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M3rcian

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #75
clint van damme said:
I'm not disagreeing CEOs can, and do, change industries.
I'm merely saying he wouldn't have had it in his locker to overhaul the coaching side which I think you're sort of saying.

My issue is the way he went about it and by removing Robins assistant and changing the demographic of the squad I think he set Robins up to fail.
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Fair. Obviously I only know rumours of why backroom staff departed, but I do know from experience, any organisation that runs like a personsality cult, with one person having unbalanced amounts of influence is general not healthy for anyone but them. I'm not saying that's the case with MR, but IF it was, it might explain why the mood around the place shifted so rapidly after Adi's departure.

Only guessing and applying my own experiences in the work place to what might have been the case.
 
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Calista

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #76
chiefdave said:
Given that there doesn’t seem to be anyone lined up seems like nobody has been advising him.

Odd that the general feeling is King has wanted to do this for a while yet, unless they’ve kept it very quiet and away from the ITKs, doesn’t seem to have anyone lined up to replace him.
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Do we know he hasn’t got a replacement lined up? The statement says an 'immediate' change is required.

If King has got an agreement with a genuine top coach, the dismissal of Robins makes some sense. If he’s now going to scout around for some up and coming guy from the lower leagues or Europe, it’s a big step backwards and a huge risk IMO.

Are the ‘Robins out’ people confident about what happens next?
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #77
skybluecam said:
It has been 24 hours since he was sacked.

There's no point bringing anyone in before Sunderland anyway.

You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes.
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So what was the point sacking MR before the Sunderland game?

He could have waited until Saturday and then used the international break to replace MR. I can only summise he thought that MR might throw a spanner in the works by having us win at Sunderland, at which point DK would have looked an even bigger plonker for sacking him.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #78
clint van damme said:
Imagine believing that bullshit.
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I thought you were an arse previously but I've agreed with every post you've made the last few days

I think i fancy you now
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #79
Saddlebrains said:
I thought you were an arse previously but I've agreed with every post you've made the last few days

I think i fancy you now
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You were right the first time
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #80
Sick Boy said:
I’d imagine the COO who never gets mentioned on here.
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Is it the dove from above?
 
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SKYBLUES90

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #81
clint van damme said:
No. I've Been going a lot longer than just this season.
And this process clearly started long before this season, which was my point.
The poor start was the excuse he needed.
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Thoughts on the poor start/end to last season?

The poor start to this season?

MR himself a couple of weeks ago alluded to the fact he’s on thin ice.

Im sorry you can’t argue with the fact the performances haven’t been good for a very long time, ultimately that falls on MR.
 
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Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #82
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
By running away and declining to give proper comment to any outlet until it suits him, that’s not how front works. How gullable are you? Typical Sun reader seeing out your days in Benidorm.
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Last time i looked out the window it was grey in Cheylesmore you clown. He is giving his reason to the the fans first not the media so he isn't fucking hiding from scrutiny is he, what he is doing is letting the likes of you and me know first. I don't read the Sun but if I were into making assumptions I would say you read Razzle as its got more pictures than text.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #83
He’ll have expected this reaction from the fans but has taken the gamble. It’s obvious King sees this more as a short term project, hence everything has been within 5 years, so it shouldn’t be surprising that he’s done it.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #84
SKYBLUES90 said:
Thoughts on the poor start/end to last season?

The poor start to this season?

MR himself a couple of weeks ago alluded to the fact he’s on thin ice.

Im sorry you can’t argue with the fact the performances haven’t been good for a very long time, ultimately that falls on MR.
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I don't conflate seasons to try and prove a point in the same way I'm not interested in us being one of the highest scorers of 2024. It means nothing.

As for this season, Robins bears a lot of responsibility but, as I've mentioned, he's had tools removed from him that he's used to bring us success, why?

And that's on King.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #85
skybluecam said:
It has been 24 hours since he was sacked.

There's no point bringing anyone in before Sunderland anyway.

You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes.
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Calista said:
Do we know he hasn’t got a replacement lined up? The statement says an 'immediate' change is required.
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Just going off what the club / King has said. Not like we can get any more detail as King has suddenly gone from wanting to be in the local media at the drop of the hat to refusing to answer questions.
The Club will take its time to appoint a successor to Mark, although the position will be that of Head Coach working within the new structure set up by the Club over the last two years.
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SKYBLUES90

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #86
clint van damme said:
I don't conflate seasons to try and prove a point in the same way I'm not interested in us being one of the highest scorers of 2024. It means nothing.

As for this season, Robins bears a lot of responsibility but, as I've mentioned, he's had tools removed from him that he's used to bring us success, why?

And that's on King.
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Ok. Take this season alone, have the results/performances been acceptable for the value of squad that is at MR disposal?

Tools removed - The same tools that were available when we look back at the results/performances of recent years that again showed immense flaws way before king brought in his so called cronies.

This idea that MR was untouchable and King has pulled a blinder getting rid of him is laughable.
 
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Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #87
clint van damme said:
I don't conflate seasons to try and prove a point in the same way I'm not interested in us being one of the highest scorers of 2024. It means nothing.

As for this season, Robins bears a lot of responsibility but, as I've mentioned, he's had tools removed from him that he's used to bring us success, why?

And that's on King.
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That's the big issue for me, Robins was everything to everyone. King changed that and perhaps he was struggling to adapt in the new structure, the players have certainly struggled. I've been in the same position in business, you get frustrated when they take away the levers you are used to pulling to make things happen. To be fair to Robins he didn't look like he was enjoying it on Wednesday night we've never seen him so agitated on the sideline its not his style. DK needs to explain on Monday the decision and then we can all debate the reasons, one thing for sure is that it wasn't a happy ship at Ryton evidently.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #88
fernandopartridge said:
Is it the dove from above?
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<groan>
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #89
SKYBLUES90 said:
Ok. Take this season alone, have the results/performances been acceptable for the value of squad that is at MR disposal?

Tools removed - The same tools that were available when we look back at the results/performances of recent years that again showed immense flaws way before king brought in his so called cronies.

This idea that MR was untouchable and King has pulled a blinder getting rid of him is laughable.
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Another one trying to detract from Robins earlier work to justify his sacking. He was a success before King came, to say otherwise is absolute bollocks.

And I've said regarding this season he has to share some responsibility. But he should have been given longer, especially as he got us to the play offs after a worse start.
 
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SKYBLUES90

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  • Nov 8, 2024
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When did I say he wasn’t a success? MR will go down in the clubs history for what he’s done, I can’t thank him enough for what he achieved in the last 8 years.

HOWEVER

How much longer should we have given him? 17 games, 2 international breaks and I can count on one hand how many good performances we’ve managed to muster up this season.

Derby haven’t won a game away this season, they will be fighting relegation this season and we couldn’t beat them at home. Wednesday looked like two teams who will be fighting relegation

Numerous changes to formations/personal. Nothings worked. I’m sorry MR was out of ideas and looked lost. Maybe your right King has to take some responsibility but im sure if King did nothing and were the back end of April with a chance of being relegated we’d be up in arms for why he didn’t pull the plug earlier.

Two wins against Luton and Middlesbrough followed up by that performance against Derby did nothing to convince me MR was the right man to take us forward anymore.
 
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Nick

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #91
Sick Boy said:
I’d imagine the COO who never gets mentioned on here.
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Yeah I think that's selective.
 

Gint11

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #92
SKYBLUES90 said:
When did I say he wasn’t a success? MR will go down in the clubs history for what he’s done, I can’t thank him enough for what he achieved in the last 8 years.

HOWEVER

How much longer should we have given him? 17 games, 2 international breaks and I can count on one hand how many good performances we’ve managed to muster up this season.

Derby haven’t won a game away this season, they will be fighting relegation this season and we couldn’t beat them at home. Wednesday looked like two teams who will be fighting relegation

Numerous changes to formations/personal. Nothings worked. I’m sorry MR was out of ideas and looked lost. Maybe your right King has to take some responsibility but im sure if King did nothing and were the back end of April with a chance of being relegated we’d be up in arms for why he didn’t pull the plug earlier.
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I agree with this in the main. He’s a legend and will continue to be and probably deserved a bit more time but we know football is ruthless and instant success is required. I just feel it all ran out of steam. Maybe he would have turned it around or maybe not.
 
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sotvtoday

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #93
Senior Vick from Alicante said:
At least DK is going to front up, he is not speaking to the press before the supporters forum. Perhaps he might answer your question then?
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Or perhaps he might just not turn up.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #94
skyblueeyesrevisited said:
Get a life you woke twat. Apologies if I used an incorrect pronoun. I’m criticising someone’s performance not their gender.
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fuck off - what specifically about her job responsibilities is it that she’s not doing?

or are you just confused because it has performance in her title so basically whenever we lose it’s her fault in your neanderthal brain
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #95
robbiekeane said:
fuck off - what specifically about her job responsibilities is it that she’s not doing?

or are you just confused because it has performance in her title so basically whenever we lose it’s her fault in your neanderthal brain
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What is her job then?
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #96
Sick Boy said:
I’m sure they’ll have identified targets a while ago and had unofficial conversations.
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Should imagine if the targets are in employment I would think Deadly Doug has been told to f%ck off!
 

robbiekeane

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #97
bigfatronssba said:
What is her job then?
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You tell me given you’re so enraged? Clearly there as aspects that she is not delivering on that you guys are all livid about. Of course i’m assuming your rounded opinion went further than “performance”?

and of course shmeee is livid she has a director title
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #98
robbiekeane said:
You tell me given you’re so enraged? Clearly there as aspects that she is not delivering on that you guys are all livid about. Of course i’m assuming your rounded opinion went further than “performance”?

and of course shmeee is livid she has a director title
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Enraged?
You’ve come to the conclusion that I’m enraged because I’ve asked what her job is.
It was a genuine question.

You seem very defensive of her
 

robbiekeane

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #99
bigfatronssba said:
Enraged?
You’ve come to the conclusion that I’m enraged because I’ve asked what her job is.
It was a genuine question.

You seem very defensive of her
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i actually got you confused with the other poster sorry it’s early

yeh i think it’s weird as fuck that people have latched onto her as some reason we are underperforming when nobody (myself included) knows the extent of her involvement in the day to day. I expect she is focussed on longer term infrastructure development to set us up like a top tier club

we’ve had some turgid games this season but FP shared the xG table the other day which shows are biggest problem has been just putting our chances away…
 

mmttww

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #100
fernandopartridge said:
Is it the dove from above?
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...or will it be the random light (picking out the sh*te)?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #101
robbiekeane said:
fuck off - what specifically about her job responsibilities is it that she’s not doing?

or are you just confused because it has performance in her title so basically whenever we lose it’s her fault in your neanderthal brain
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So how is she, or any other performance director judged?
What are their objectives and KPIs. And how long do they need to be in situ before we see results?
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #102
ccfcchris said:
Who has been advising him on who to look for as a replacement and how has it been kept quiet?
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He speaks to the Brighton and Brentford peers a lot. It’s not a surprise we’ve been setting up to go down that route.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #103
clint van damme said:
So how is she, or any other performance director judged?
What are their objectives and KPIs. And how long do they need to be in situ before we see results?
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great question. should probably get the answers before crucifying
 
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