The agreement for Wasps to move here / 2 years on (8 Viewers)

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

The importance of having the interest of people of Coventry at the heart of any decision about the future ownership of ACL.• The commitment that any deal relating to the Ricoh Arena would not be approved unless the following three tests were satisfied

A good deal for the City
The security and future of Coventry City Football Club
The security and future of Coventry Rugby Club
The need to ensure the continued regeneration in the North East of the City.
The long term commitment to the City given by Wasps, who are focussed on the success of their Club and were committed to delivering an ambitious programme for the community and to bringing more sport to Coventry.
The expectation that the Ricoh Arena could now go from strength to strength, raising Coventry’s profile both nationally and internationally.
The intention of Wasps to develop the Ricoh Arena as a conference centre plus a training facility in the future would benefit the City.

How is that working out?

AFCCOVENTRY · Jun 2, 2016

Nick said:
The importance of having the interest of people of Coventry at the heart of any decision about the future ownership of ACL.• The commitment that any deal relating to the Ricoh Arena would not be approved unless the following three tests were satisfied

A good deal for the City

The security and future of Coventry City Football Club

The security and future of Coventry Rugby Club

The need to ensure the continued regeneration in the North East of the City.

The long term commitment to the City given by Wasps, who are focussed on the success of their Club and were committed to delivering an ambitious programme for the community and to bringing more sport to Coventry.

The expectation that the Ricoh Arena could now go from strength to strength, raising Coventry’s profile both nationally and internationally.

The intention of Wasps to develop the Ricoh Arena as a conference centre plus a training facility in the future would benefit the City.

How is that working out?

8. To patronise CCFC at every turn

eastwoodsdustman · Jun 2, 2016

AFCCOVENTRY said:
8. To shaft CCFC at every turn

Corrected for you.

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

Might be something the Telegraph can look into.

armybike · Jun 2, 2016

In the interest of balance and some relevant points re the Academy -

"Coventry City - The Way Forward
Fri 02 Jan 2015 10:30

The club has looked to outline the way forward in the future with a five-point plan to achieve success in the future.

Coventry City – The Way Forward

Five Point Plan:-

• Financially stable – with the over-riding aim to field a competitive team
• Aim to move to long term financial independence from the owner
• To have a fully integrated football model with the Academy being a cornerstone of the club model
• To be a community pillar – to assist Sky Blues in the Community in delivering improved health, education, crime and social awareness targets to the local area where our supporters are drawn from
• To develop long-term relationships with businesses in the community along with membership of the Chamber of Commerce and Coventry & Warwickshire Champions

That can only be achieved by:-

• Building trust with the supporters
• Success on the field
• Clear communication
• Having a progressive fully-integrated first team-Academy model

Introduction

The club has been inherently financially unstable for decades and has had to be financially supported throughout this period by the current and previous club owners.

The model was previously unsustainable financially and, ultimately therefore, programmed to fail – indeed the club has lurched from financial crisis to financial crisis since the late 1990s.

Our objective has been and remains, as a club, to be financially sustainable and have the ability to stand alone without recourse to financial support from the owner, while putting a successful and competitive team on the pitch, supporting an Academy, shifting to a fully integrated football model and being a mainstay in the local community.

This is fully in line with the aspiration of the Football League that all clubs become sustainable and not dependent upon owner funding.

Limited income, operating in a stadium owned by any third party, makes this aspiration impossible.

We returned to the Ricoh on a fair rent deal – less than 10 per cent of the previous rent. A deal that sees the club participate in match day revenues beyond ticketing for the first time since 2005.

The new ownership of the Ricoh means we have a new landlord who understands sport and the business of sport, and match day operations, as well as the critical relevance of non-match day income. The relationship between landlord and tenant is positive. There is a healthy mutual respect and all the signs point to that continuing for the period that the club remains at the Ricoh.

Wasps understand that we need access to stadium revenues 365 days per year and respect our position of developing our own stadium. However, as a tenant, we are currently unable to benefit from access to non-match day revenue.

In the interim we will investigate with Wasps whether there is an opportunity for the club to further generate revenues beyond match day – as each £1 of revenue so generated is vital to the club.

That said, for the long term, it remains the club’s ambition to own its own stadium. Financial Fair Play dictates that this is the only pathway to achieve the long term aims above.

Improving the first team

The budget is competitive for League One. It is not simply a case of just ‘buy more and better players and the sky is the limit’, we have to ensure there is a discipline to run the business along sensible and sustainable financial lines.

The immediate goal is to improve the first team group – both across individuals and team dynamic, by recruiting players not only of the right abilities and skill sets, but also the correct character to fit the Pressley ethos.

Today, we have an imbalance in the ratio of loan to permanent players in the squad. The loan market provides an opportunity for clubs to bolster squads – however, we simply have too many loan players.

While loan players can work well there are inherent problems. The introduction of loan players from clubs which do not have the same work or stamina ethic creates injury risk. The players are not ‘game ready’ – they have not played in the first team regularly and do not have the required level of fitness.

We have identified a number of players we would want to bring in on a permanent basis and Steve Waggott is working hard to achieve that goal.

There is a process around due diligence including the technical, physical and psychological aspects of a prospective player. There is a medical and fitness test plus a medical history check prior to the signing of a player.

Further, players coming in need to reflect the DNA of the club going forward – leadership, aggression and work ethic. A key aspect of player due diligence is spirit and the ‘will to win’ – neither of which can be picked up in a medical or fitness test.

Beyond recruitment, the club has invested in sports science and technology. The first team support is Championship-standard and with areas of the technology moving way beyond Championship standard including ground-breaking performance analysis and player monitoring across physiological and sports performance – combining both training and match day data capture.

armybike · Jun 2, 2016

Investing in the academy

CCFC is moving towards the fully integrated football model whereby there is no longer a silo model in which Academy and the first team group rarely work together.

Dismantling the silos both promotes the acceleration of young players’ development and is aspirational for the younger players – they work with the first team group which includes former Academy players – therefore encouraging others to follow the very same pathway.
The vision incorporates a first team-Academy training facility – a facility that is designed and built to facilitate and future proof a Category One status. Having the first team and Academy working on the same site inspires.

CCFC is one of very few clubs in League One that has Category Two status Academy.

The Academy is a cornerstone of the club, has and continues to be a source of first team talent.

The Academy costs in excess of £1.2m per year – of which £500K is a grant. The rest of the funding comes from club income.
The Academy is not a profit centre. The value to the club is generating and cultivating talent locally by developing players who understand what the club means to supporters and whose ambition is to play in the CCFC first team.

Inevitably – and this is true of all but a handful of clubs at the top of the Premier League – there will be occasions when we lose players. Callum Wilson is a classic example. He was outstanding for us in the 13/14 season, but that attracted interest from other clubs. On a personal level, Callum was offered a life-changing deal and could well be playing in the Premier League next season.

The objective then becomes ensuring that the club maximises the return on its long term investment – given the Academy’s input over what can be a eight or nine year period.

Generating more revenue

The first signs are that the club and Wasps will develop a mutually-beneficial relationship with both clubs eager to develop additional revenue streams.
On the back of early stage discussions with the management and commercial staff at Wasps, we are exploring mutual approaches to revenue generation e.g. around seat or stand sponsorship that may favour both clubs. Any monies generated in the interim period are a bonus to CCFC and must be explored.
Our motivation remains that for every £1 generated of eligible income under financial fair plays rules leads to 60p being transferred to the first team.
We are engaging with the local business community and being open and transparent regarding our position today and our motivation and vision for the future.

There was a perception that we were a “closed shop”. That might well have been caused by our concentration in getting our own business in order, but we realise that we have to be more outward facing, and that new and fresh business relationships need to be fostered.

Playing an active role in the community

The Sky Blues in the Community Charity (SBiTC) plays a very active and widespread role across a number of different areas and through a varied programme of initiatives.

Community work includes primary school healthy living programmes to walking football for over 50s while also delivering a range of social inclusion projects in some of the most challenging areas across Coventry and Warwickshire.
The increased demand for their award-winning work is resulting in their geographical spread being widened away from Coventry and in to Nuneaton and Bedworth, Rugby and across Warwickshire.

We need to continue to build on the work already delivered by SBiTC as it will increase the awareness of the CCFC brand and also increase our fan base via their engagement with high volume numbers across the region.

Future Sky Blues – is an initiative to generate the next generation of our supporters, our workforce and our sponsors/partners.

Active Ambassadors is a new initiative which works alongside Sky Blues in the Community, the Supporters Consultative Group, Sky Blues Trust and the Former Players’ Association to help support further community engagement.

The money our Active Ambassadors programme generates will be ring-fenced for Steven Pressley and Neil MacFarlane to draft in new players (aged between 17 and 20) into the development squad.
In return for their annual investment, our Active Ambassadors are hosted in the Boardroom each match day and act as an additional bridge between the board and the business community.

Communication and supporter liaison

The club communicates through more channels than ever before. We have a dynamic website, an award winning and successful match day programme and are active across a number of social media channels. In fact, in recent years our communication has been noted by the number of award nominations the club has received.

Initiatives such as the match day Q&A and regular programme columns from Steve Waggott have been designed to increase that flow of communication.
The Supporters Consultative Group which includes board representation from the Sky Blues Trust and other fans’ stakeholder groups has been key to the flow of communication throughout the last 18 months, and its meetings have been regularly attended by board members.

In addition to the scheduled SCG meetings, we have held in-person and phone briefings with the group or its chairman when the need has arisen.
The SCG now has a board presence, something which is in its infancy, but something the group has welcomed. That will be built on and refined."

www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/the-way-forward-coventry-city-020115-2177171.aspx

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

Predictable and not relevant at all

oh look somebody said something that makes Wasps look bad, must try and make CCFC look worse. It's a CCFC forum for fuck sake, if you want to do that shit stick to Twitter.

Just need one about Higgs now so OSB can come on and make them look like heroes.

Then we just need another so ex ACL directors can make a false account so he can spread rumours. (I hope the family of lawyers dont see this, especially as its only SISU who threaten people)

Pisses me off all of the agendas going on. Surely it is telling that I was banging on a week or so ago about something bad going to happen just because of the way posting activity had suddenly changed?

It should be about CCFC and saving the Academy, why on earth would a CCFC get upset about wasps being picked on and then start having a go at CCFC? It doesn't make sense.

The trust have the right idea now and fair play to them and people like Tony who are coming out with stuff and showing it is just about CCFC. It is how every fan should be, fuck sisu, fuck wasps, fuck the council and fuck csf. They should all be shown up for the sly twats they are.

armybike · Jun 2, 2016

This isn't relevant to the current situation?

"The vision incorporates a first team-Academy training facility – a facility that is designed and built to facilitate and future proof a Category One status. Having the first team and Academy working on the same site inspires."

eastwoodsdustman · Jun 2, 2016

Nick, am I being naive here or are CCC, Wasps, AEHT et al really getting people to post on here as part of their PR onlslaught? There are a few who do only seem to pop up when shit goes off and like you say, there are a few newbies who've just popped into put their two penni'th in. Are they really just puppets and lapdogs doing as their masters say?

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

armybike said:
This isn't relevant to the current situation?

"The vision incorporates a first team-Academy training facility – a facility that is designed and built to facilitate and future proof a Category One status. Having the first team and Academy working on the same site inspires."

It isn't relevant to the thread is it? Fuck off with your agenda, they are all starting to become transparent now.

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

eastwoodsdustman said:
Nick, am I being naive here or are CCC, Wasps, AEHT et al really getting people to post on here as part of their PR onlslaught? There are a few who do only seem to pop up when shit goes off and like you say, there are a few newbies who've just popped into put their two penni'th in. Are they really just puppets and lapdogs doing as their masters say?

Of course they get them to post on here, they have always done it. Some I can't prove, some are thick as shit and use their own email address while trying to be somebody else.

fernandopartridge · Jun 2, 2016

armybike said:
This isn't relevant to the current situation?

"The vision incorporates a first team-Academy training facility – a facility that is designed and built to facilitate and future proof a Category One status. Having the first team and Academy working on the same site inspires."

It's a vague statement about an aspiration. I'd like a bigger house but doesn't mean my current one is up for sale.

eastwoodsdustman · Jun 2, 2016

Nick said:
Of course they get them to post on here, they have always done it. Some I can't prove, some are thick as shit and use their own email address while trying to be somebody else.

Sad reflection on themselves then really. Thankfully working for myself I'll never be in that position but, if I ever was, I think i'd have enough self respect and dignity to tell them where to go.

armybike · Jun 2, 2016

Nick said:
It isn't relevant to the thread is it? Fuck off with your agenda, they are all starting to become transparent now.

Yes because using expletives is going to help!

What exactly do you think my agenda is?

Sick Boy · Jun 2, 2016

eastwoodsdustman said:
Nick, am I being naive here or are CCC, Wasps, AEHT et al really getting people to post on here as part of their PR onlslaught? There are a few who do only seem to pop up when shit goes off and like you say, there are a few newbies who've just popped into put their two penni'th in. Are they really just puppets and lapdogs doing as their masters say?

Yes, they clearly are.

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

armybike said:
Yes because using expletives is going to help!

What exactly do you think my agenda is?

I post the agreement about Wasps coming here and the points, you somehow post stuff about CCFC? What's relevant about that?

You tell me, I hope anybody with an Agenda is weeded out through all of this and all of the actual city fans stick together.

ajsccfc · Jun 2, 2016

I can confirm that my posts only reflect the views of myself and the BBC.

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

Of course people have agendas on here and use it to sway opinion. It was blatantly obvious something bad was going to happen, as soon as something is posted that makes Wasps look bad what happens? A Coventry City fan decides to post something unrelated to the original post to try and take attention away from it.

PR companies will know how to do it without being detected, some people slip up though. Some people log in to the wrong computer.

Some things are innocent, some aren't.

I set this up for city fans, I know people like Tony get stick but this is the time where actual city fans need to stick together and fair play to him for his post yesterday about it. It is what we need.

Ian1779 · Jun 2, 2016

I think we have begun to address more points on our vision than ACL have on theirs.

chiefdave · Jun 2, 2016

Nick said:
It should be about CCFC and saving the Academy, why on earth would a CCFC get upset about wasps being picked on and then start having a go at CCFC? It doesn't make sense.

100% this. Its a CCFC forum, everyone on here is, or at least should be, a CCFC fan. The primary concern should be protecting the future of the club.

Too many people suddenly appear when things like this happen and try and deflect any blame from the likes of Wasps, Higgs and CCC.

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

It's also telling I point out the pr stuff and something bad is going to happen then I get hammered on here, people signing up just to have a pop?

Grendel · Jun 2, 2016

Where's Ranstone - he changed names now?

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

Grendel said:
Where's Ranstone - he changed names now?

Who dora? Yeah he created another account, doesn't posr though, his email led to a wasps site.

Maybe intheknow will correct us all?

Sick Boy · Jun 2, 2016

Can't anyone peddeling their PR just be banned from this site?

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

Sick Boy said:
Can't anyone peddeling their PR just be banned from this site?

They are when I can 100% prove it

armybike · Jun 2, 2016

Nick said:
I post the agreement about Wasps coming here and the points, you somehow post stuff about CCFC? What's relevant about that?

You tell me, I hope anybody with an Agenda is weeded out through all of this and all of the actual city fans stick together.

It's relevant because it's a CCFC forum and you were rasing the issue of plans/promises and so I added those made by CCFC.

Do you think I work for or have links with either the council or Wasps?

My lack of activity during the open season was you preventing me from posting (sorry a glitch in the system) and your failure to respond to my communications with you regarding it, another apparent glitch.

Just because I don't follow the pitch fork and burning torches approach doesn't mean I've got an agenda.

You've clearly, for some reason, been through my Twitter feed and will have seen that's a common trend in my posting style.

I f you've ever seen my comments on Facebook again that's how I post online. I look at things objectively - again this doesn't mean I have an agenda.

CCFC are on the edge of an abyss and people are continually pointing the finger of blame elsewhere.

Yesterday it was everyone is trying to take our legs, but when an offer is tabled to offer an opportunity to address the situation people just jump up and down saying how implying how insulted they are at this offer.

My posts re planning rules/law are just as an indicator to people of how the situation works and not driven to dissuade people from offering their options/comments.

The fact remains we should have been round the table long before now (yes it's everyone else's fault etc etc).

All other parties have moved forward, but CCFC have stood still, in fact moved backwards.

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

armybike said:
It's relevant because it's a CCFC forum and you were rasing the issue of plans/promises and so I added those made by CCFC.

Do you think I work for or have links with either the council or Wasps?

My lack of activity during the open season was you preventing me from posting (sorry a glitch in the system) and your failure to respond to my communications with you regarding it, another apparent glitch.

Just because I don't follow the pitch fork and burning torches approach doesn't mean I've got an agenda.

You've clearly, for some reason, been through my Twitter feed and will have seen that's a common trend in my posting style.

I f you've ever seen my comments on Facebook again that's how I post online. I look at things objectively - again this doesn't mean I have an agenda.

CCFC are on the edge of an abyss and people are continually pointing the finger of blame elsewhere.

Yesterday it was everyone is trying to take our legs, but when an offer is tabled to offer an opportunity to address the situation people just jump up and down saying how implying how insulted they are at this offer.

My posts re planning rules/law are just as an indicator to people of how the situation works and not driven to dissuade people from offering their options/comments.

The fact remains we should have been round the table long before now (yes it's everyone else's fault etc etc).

All other parties have moved forward, but CCFC have stood still, in fact moved backwards.

I just don't get what it had to do with the promises when wasps moved? It's very strange

Yeah your feed has a lot of having a go at people who don't like wasps.

This situation should bring actual city fans together, shouldn't it? I was pointing out lies for them moving here, your first instinct is to put the onus on ccfc

The Reverend Skyblue · Jun 2, 2016

armybike has an agenda, it there for all to see. He can't say one good word about the club but nearly every post is about Wasps and "oh look how well they've done".
There is a wasps thread on here for him and his like

armybike · Jun 2, 2016

Nick said:
I just don't get what it had to do with the promises when wasps moved? It's very strange

Yeah your feed has a lot of having a go at people who don't like wasps.

This situation should bring actual city fans together, shouldn't it? I was pointing out lies for them moving here, your first instinct is to put the onus on ccfc

It comes back to the same point about being objective and demonstrates SISU's (not CCFC) failure to deliver - not as you've decided my agenda.

Also, going through my Twitter feed with a fine tooth comb isn't strange?

Plus, when you say 'a lot' of me having a go at people who don't like Wasps I'd question your understanding/use of the term 'a lot'. A number of Tweets with one numpty isn't 'a lot'

The situation should mean Anderson arranging a meeting with Wasps to see what can be achieved at the new development.

Protesting at Wasps games, outside the council house or Higgs site won't stop the application process going ahead and there is no obvious reason why it wouldn't be approved.

You also didn't offer comment on my question about if you think I'm linked with Wasps/CCC or why I didn't post during the season due to the 'glitches'.

covmark · Jun 2, 2016

The Reverend Skyblue said:
armybike has an agenda, it there for all to see. He can't say one good word about the club but nearly every post is about Wasps and "oh look how well they've done".
There is a wasps thread on here for him and his like

Tbf, he ain't the only one. It's amazing whenever there's some sort of court case or a big Wasps story coming out. The amount of these wankers coming out of the woodwork to try and spin stories to make ccfc the bad guys and CCC and Wasps the saviours of the city.
Makes me fucking sick tbh.

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Nick · Jun 2, 2016

armybike said:
It comes back to the same point about being objective and demonstrates SISU's (not CCFC) failure to deliver - not as you've decided my agenda.

Also, going through my Twitter feed with a fine tooth comb isn't strange?

Plus, when you say 'a lot' of me having a go at people who don't like Wasps I'd question your understanding/use of the term 'a lot'. A number of Tweets with one numpty isn't 'a lot'

The situation should mean Anderson arranging a meeting with Wasps to see what can be achieved at the new development.

Protesting at Wasps games, outside the council house or Higgs site won't stop the application process going ahead and there is no obvious reason why it wouldn't be approved.

You also didn't offer comment on my question about if you think I'm linked with Wasps/CCC or why I didn't post during the season due to the 'glitches'.

Personally, I don't think you are attached , I just think you are more into politics.

The fact you jumped straight on to a thread pointing out the promises of wasps that haven't been fulfilled with stuff to try and make ccfc look bad means you kind of walked into it.

People posted about wasps attendances on Twitter, you were onto them.

Why are some people so keen to not let bad things be said or pointed out? Why do I start getting people signing up to attack me and single me out when I say something is happening, the pr is being cranked up.

Why are some people more happy to have get excited about Fisher talking about a bullshit stadium but don't like it when other parties lies are shown up?

armybike · Jun 2, 2016

Nick said:
Personally, I don't think you are attached , I just think you are more into politics.

The fact you jumped straight on to a thread pointing out the promises of wasps that haven't been fulfilled with stuff to try and make ccfc look bad means you kind of walked into it.

People posted about wasps attendances on Twitter, you were onto them.

The post was about promises being made - I added those made by SISU. It's called being objective or isn't that allowed here?

Did I post 'a lot' about that or with one user @Skybluemongs ?

People have made commented suggesting that I've come out of the woodwork, is it fair to say that I wasn't able to post during the playing season due to 'glitches' despite me making attempts to contact you to address this situation?

Nick · Jun 2, 2016

armybike said:
Would be interested to see a post I've said CCFC are the 'bad guys'.

The post was about promises being made - I added those made by SISU. It's called being objective or isn't that allowed here?

Did I post 'a lot' about that or with one user @Skybluemongs ?

People have made commented suggesting that I've come out of the woodwork, is it fair to say that I wasn't able to post during the playing season due to 'glitches' despite me making attempts to contact you to address this situation?

Yep, in this instance with armybike he couldn't post, but I haven't referred to you as coming out of the wood work and look forward to the football season

I'm more bothered about the new users.

armybike · Jun 2, 2016

Nick said:
Yep, in this instance with armybike he couldn't post, but I haven't referred to you as coming out of the wood work and look forward to the football season

I'm more bothered about the new users.

I've not said you'd made the comments, but thank you for offering the reply and look forward to the new season #ComeOnYouWasps

olderskyblue · Jun 2, 2016

Nick said:
They should all be shown up for the sly twats they are

And yet you continually have a go at posters who try to do this when SISU is the target. It's like when you espouse about wanting to respond to posters who post BS, yet when it's against CCC or whoever else, you don't, (or rarely) bother.

You keep your crusade against the telegraph going ad nauseum, but I haven't seen you mention Les Reid "calling anyone out" which is odd, has he claims he has had all the "exclusives"

Your getting all frothy mouthed over the last days or couple of weeks, when all this is surely just an end product of whats gone on for way longer than that. (who ever is at fault). Grendel, who I rarely agree with, pointed this out very early on. You make out that any comments aimed at SISU are a way of protecting Higgs CCC etc. That is complete bollocks.

imho this whole academy debacle has been building up for a long while now, and is part of a bigger picture, not an isolated event that has just come about. OSB58 has mentioned something like this quite a few times. Fook me, it's like CCFC version of game of thrones...

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