The “too many cooks” theory (1 Viewer)

Deity said:

If it’s true that the players are finding it confusing with the number of coaches giving information then that is down to Robins.

The training ground, changing room, on field instructions is his area of control. He can simplify it if he chooses too.

I don’t think the issue is the number of coaches we have, by modern standards we are very normal, so it may be the way they are being managed IF and I IF it is actually an issue.

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The number of coaches is fine. I reckon other teams probably have more.

What bothers me is that there I can't work out what the structure is. They are all just 'first team coaches'. What do they actually do individually? Who is responsible for position and tactics in possession? Who is responsible out of possession? Who is responsible for corners, free kicks and throw ins? Individual coaches need to be given specific areas of responsibility where they are in control and they override all other opinions on that specific matter (though obviously work with the other coaches in implementing it). There is therefore accountability.

Of course someone needs to be overseeing that to ensure each coach is working in their best area and to make sure all the different elements can work cohesively, which could either be MR or an assistant manager.

At the moment it really does feel like the players aren't sure who they should be listening to and they're getting conflicting information and ideas.

The watchmaker said:

If we were having a player of the season thus far award Eccles probably wins it for me... and it's possibly not even close. I'd be interested to hear any counter argument.

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MVE has been good as well I think but not as consistent IMO.

Robin's brought in more players that were identified and has consistently said it's likely the best squad yet. So what else changed that is making things so 'out of sorts' so far?
It's not Robin's unless he's grown a another head. We still train at Ryton, improved a lot. The big change is the backroom staff which I beleive King had influence over, admittedly with support from Robin's, but none the less very new to Robin's. And of course you guessed it, Robin's trusted sidekick left abruptly.
Somewhere there, lies the answer.
To get over it Robin's must now prove himself in a different enviroment and structure throughout the club. So far it's been difficult and he must have control over the backroom staff, operating how he wants them too.

Deity said:

If it’s true that the players are finding it confusing with the number of coaches giving information then that is down to Robins.

The training ground, changing room, on field instructions is his area of control. He can simplify it if he chooses too.

I don’t think the issue is the number of coaches we have, by modern standards we are very normal, so it may be the way they are being managed IF and I IF it is actually an issue.

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You got it right in the title, it's just a stupid theory that has been dreamed up by fans.

Just like it is down to Viveash leaving, when we had a poor start and poor finish last season with Viveash here.

Rumours on X about an assistant coming in...

Chris Ramsey has been mentioned according to my lad who texted me earlier about it.

Pezza said:

Rumours on X about an assistant coming in...

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Well that will please all the ‘we’ve got too many staff’ brigade - yet another one……

but as it’s an “assistant manager” then they will be fine about it…

AJB1983 said:

Well that will please all the ‘we’ve got too many staff’ brigade - yet another one……

but as it’s an “assistant manager” then they will be fine about it…

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The irony about two many staff is Lawrence and Viveash left, Boateng and Carr came in and Delaney and Dempster were already here.

Hobo said:

The irony about two many staff is Lawrence and Viveash left, Boateng and Carr came in and Delaney and Dempster were already here.

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Yep, exactly.

It’s a total bollocks theory that we’ve got too many. I’m sick of all the so-called experts and ‘voices of the fans’ going on about it.

I just feel that the performance director is an easy target cos she’s female, and all the fans who go on about how the players must be confused don’t seem to be able to look the 20 feet across at the oppositions bench and see exactly the same if not more staff.

also, those that say ‘I don’t see any defined roles, it just says first team coach’ - well what do they want?
corner kick defence coach? Transition coach? Shooting coach?
It’s ignorance of having not worked at that level and in an elite environment.
give the highly qualified coaches and players a bit more credit.

AJB1983 said:

I just feel that the performance director is an easy target cos she’s female

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I see far more posts on here making this claim than (if any) those that are actually criticising her because of her sex.

She gets a lot of stick (rightly or wrongly) but really don't think is part of it apart from an extremely tiny minority at most.

Diogenes said:

I see far more posts on here making this claim than (if any) those that are actually criticising her because of her sex.

She gets a lot of stick (rightly or wrongly) but really don't think is part of it apart from an extremely tiny minority at most.

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Seeing people making things up in their head and getting angry about it is one of SBTs great joys.

Up there with people going on other teams forums and getting wound up by what they say about us.

AJB1983 said:

Yep, exactly.

It’s a total bollocks theory that we’ve got too many. I’m sick of all the so-called experts and ‘voices of the fans’ going on about it.

I just feel that the performance director is an easy target cos she’s female, and all the fans who go on about how the players must be confused don’t seem to be able to look the 20 feet across at the oppositions bench and see exactly the same if not more staff.

also, those that say ‘I don’t see any defined roles, it just says first team coach’ - well what do they want?
corner kick defence coach? Transition coach? Shooting coach?
It’s ignorance of having not worked at that level and in an elite environment.
give the highly qualified coaches and players a bit more credit.

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If the performance director was male it would make no difference…I think that idea is a red herring.

Diogenes said:

I see far more posts on here making this claim than (if any) those that are actually criticising her because of her sex.

She gets a lot of stick (rightly or wrongly) but really don't think is part of it apart from an extremely tiny minority at most.

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In fairness she has hardly got her feet under the table and it is early days. Like our players and coaches. People these days want and instant sachet of coffee and a 5 minute microwave dinner.

AJB1983 said:

also, those that say ‘I don’t see any defined roles, it just says first team coach’ - well what do they want?
corner kick defence coach? Transition coach? Shooting coach?

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Yes, I do. If we're going to have numerous coaches then it needs to be absolutely clear who is responsible for what. Otherwise you've potentially just got four coaches with four different ideas on stuff and a squad of players who have absolutely no idea who to listen to.

The worrying thing for me is, Robins has been more animated on the touchline this season than he has in the past 5 seasons, he's also been pictured more than ever on the training ground, rather than standing aside. Which to me suggests, the message / instructions aren't getting through