terry retires from internationals (1 Viewer)

Evans020 · Sep 23, 2012

One of our better defenders in the last 20 years..although an idiot at times .very good servant for england

DD_Daphne · Sep 23, 2012

To be honest I don't blame him. He's been found not guilty in a court of law. Should have been case closed.

Evans020 · Sep 23, 2012

DD_Daphne said:
To be honest I don't blame him. He's been found not guilty in a court of law. Should have been case closed.

Very much agree, regardless of what was /wasn't said.the fa are acting as though they are above the law here.

stupot07 · Sep 23, 2012

DD_Daphne said:
To be honest I don't blame him. He's been found not guilty in a court of law. Should have been case closed.

No it shouldn't - they are two different charges - the criminal case cleared him of 'racially aggravated' abuse, I.e. that they did not feel that the abuse was racially motivated. Whereas the FA are charging him of using racially abusive language. I.e. it doesn't matter whether it was racially motivated, it's just the fact he used that abusive language. He admitted using the language in court but denied it it was racially motivated.*

Tad · Sep 23, 2012

Evans020 said:
Very much agree, regardless of what was /wasn't said.the fa are acting as though they are above the law here.

The FA and FIFA have always acted like that. They think their untouchable. Some of the things the FIFA president has come out with against England would get you sacked in any other line of work. Corrupt, money grabbing snobs. That's all they are.

Evans020 · Sep 23, 2012

stupot07 said:
No it shouldn't - they are two different charges - the criminal case cleared him of 'racially aggravated' abuse, I.e. that they did not feel that the abuse was racially motivated. Whereas the FA are charging him of using racially abusive language. I.e. it doesn't matter whether it was racially motivated, it's just the fact he used that abusive language. He admitted using the language in court but denied it it was racially motivated.*

So if I use a phrase like " did you think I called you a nig**r" should I be charged..no ..he was cleared because he said the word but not in a racially motivated way..that my friend is as far as it should go

Houchens Head · Sep 23, 2012

Thank fook he we won't see him in an international again! Scumbag!

scroobiustom · Sep 24, 2012

The only problem we are left with now is that Terry had more pace that Cahill - god help us in Rio!

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 24, 2012

stupot07 said:
No it shouldn't - they are two different charges - the criminal case cleared him of 'racially aggravated' abuse, I.e. that they did not feel that the abuse was racially motivated. Whereas the FA are charging him of using racially abusive language. I.e. it doesn't matter whether it was racially motivated, it's just the fact he used that abusive language. He admitted using the language in court but denied it it was racially motivated.*

Yes exactly what I have been saying

To the FA it isn't the context the words were used in, the FA set the stance last season with Suarez last season that any language which could be taken as racially offensive is unacceptable on a football pitch regardless of how it was meant or intended

CTID · Sep 24, 2012

scroobiustom said:
The only problem we are left with now is that Terry had more pace that Cahill - god help us in Rio!

Just been having this conversation at work...who is going to replace him? Cahill is good but hes not quick enough. Lescott is hardly Usain Bolt! Jagielka?

Although that said, i dont think this issue has come to light because of Terrys decision, we were going to have this problem in 2 years anyway.

And as for Terry, i dont blame him. He had a good Euro campain, not going to be anywhere near his best in Rio so may aswel bow out now and let someone else stake their claim. Now all we need is Ferdinand to do the same!

rob9872 · Sep 24, 2012

Terrible human being, great footballer. Probably past his best now, despite only being 31 and the correct decision imo, although I wish that it had been for football reasons as opposed to what is currently going on, which unfairly imo tarnishes his reputation as a player and does the FA no favours either.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Sep 24, 2012

Horrible odious scumbag of the highest order.......

The idea that he "represented" my country makes me feel sick....

Glad he'll not pull on the shirt again.....1 down.....only another dozen or so to go....

Real · Sep 24, 2012

All the best John. Persecuted by the FA despite being found not guilty in a court of law. They obviously think they are above the law. Let the haters hate, you've done nothing wrong and you always performed admirably in an England shirt. England's loss.

Evans020 · Sep 24, 2012

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Horrible odious scumbag of the highest order.......

The idea that he "represented" my country makes me feel sick....

Glad he'll not pull on the shirt again.....1 down.....only another dozen or so to go....

Bit of a drama queen then

sw88 · Sep 24, 2012

Hate the guy!

I also hate players who 'retire' from international football. Surely it's an honour to be called up and it should be down to the manager whether to call you up or not, and not for you as a player to say i don't want to represent my country!

jimmyhillsfanclub · Sep 25, 2012

Evans020 said:
Bit of a drama queen then

Ha...I assume you mean Terry.....

...after all, it was him that cried & blubbed like a little baby on more than one occassion just because he lost a game of football...

...but I expect there are many eng-er-lund mugs who reckon that shows his passion...

WRONG...it just shows what an immature inadequate little man-child he is......

...bit like putting his little kit on to go & lift the champions league cup....:jerkit:

...If you want a drama queen.....JTs yer man (child)

scroobiustom · Sep 25, 2012

CTID said:
Just been having this conversation at work...who is going to replace him? Cahill is good but hes not quick enough. Lescott is hardly Usain Bolt! Jagielka?

Although that said, i dont think this issue has come to light because of Terrys decision, we were going to have this problem in 2 years anyway.

And as for Terry, i dont blame him. He had a good Euro campain, not going to be anywhere near his best in Rio so may aswel bow out now and let someone else stake their claim. Now all we need is Ferdinand to do the same!

I like Caulker & Wisdom but a few years of for the them yet

Two years is along time in any career, for all we know there is some kid playing in a county league that is the future of English football!

Covstu · Sep 25, 2012

i dont like the guy but i totally agree with what he is doing, this has turned out to be a witch hunt on the guy and he cannot keep playing for england whilst they are out to get him. the worry is who is good enough at the back now? i dont think we have much qualty there and the Ukraine game highlighted that big style!

TrueSkyBlueLiam · Sep 25, 2012

Who the hell cares?! He's a racist old has-been. We've got plenty of younger centre-backs who could waltz into Terry's shoes. Glad he's gone. This racism saga wont affect the England team anymore. No more excuses

Real · Sep 25, 2012

Not guilty.

CovfanDan · Sep 25, 2012

I dont see Terry as having more pace than Cahill. He always (ok not always, but too much for my liking)seems to makes last ditch tackles which to me means the little pace he had is now gone and his reading of the game isn't all that.(last season against Arsenal at Stamford Bridge, slipped over and wouldnt have caught Van Persie in a month of sundays), also i think it was against Spurs, 0-0 near the end of the season, Cahill came from knowhere to block a shot.

Just from memory them two instances and happy to be proved wrong, just think Cahill is a pretty good centre half and a decent replacement for Terry, both for Chelsea and England

Disorganised1 · Sep 27, 2012

I assumed he's retired from internationals so he can spend more time with the other players wives.

CCFCSteve · Sep 27, 2012

Covstu said:
i dont like the guy but i totally agree with what he is doing, this has turned out to be a witch hunt on the guy and he cannot keep playing for england whilst they are out to get him. the worry is who is good enough at the back now? i dont think we have much qualty there and the Ukraine game highlighted that big style!

Im not sure you can look at this as an isolated incident (from the FAs perspective) but the straw that broke the camels back. Look at his history; the Bridge incident, his mutiny at the World Cup, shady goings on at the Chelsea training ground, regularly cheating on his missus etc etc, some of which are nothing to do with what happens on the pitch but he was captain of our country during a lot of this. There comes a time when enoughs enough. If this was a one off maybe theyd have given him the benefit of the doubt.

I think if a new central defence partnership is given time to gel he shouldnt be greatly missed and I know it goes against Hodgsons view but Im all for bringing in younger players who'll be peaking in two years time rather than players who may be on the slide.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 27, 2012

4 game ban an 220k fine

Houchens Head · Sep 27, 2012

CCFC said:
4 game ban an 220k fine

Not enough! That's just a weeks wages to that piece of scum!

Real · Sep 27, 2012

Total bollocks. All the best John, you were shown not guilty in a court of law, which takes precedent over this PC kangaroo court.

Houchens Head · Sep 27, 2012

Each to their own, Real.

Grendel · Sep 27, 2012

Real said:
Total bollocks. All the best John, you were shown not guilty in a court of law, which takes precedent over this PC kangaroo court.

It is not the same offence though is it. Also read the judges view on Terry's "evidence" in that verdict. If the F A believed the judges ultimate summing up they would have no choice but to find John Terry guilty.

Otis · Sep 27, 2012

Let's face it, the FA had to find him guilty otherwise they would have looked very, very stupid wouldn't they. Both the criminal case and the FA case ending up with him being found innocent would have left a lot of eggs on faces..

Macca · Sep 27, 2012

Amusing this. Imagine if he came to play for us. It would be forgive and forget like marlon!

Anyhow, wasn t the offense calling Ferdinand a black c***?

Not so long ago Hansen got in trouble for using the word "coloured" and was told that "black" was the correct term. Maybe Terry was learning from that

Houchens Head · Sep 28, 2012

I just can't stand John Terry! Whether or not he's a racist twat or not! He is a slimeball thug, who thinks he's God's gift to football. If he were ever to play for us (ha!), I would NEVER show my support for the city. In over 50 years of following football - a sport that I love - I have never known such an obnoxious human being! I ferkin' HATE him with a passion! Just the sight of his ugly mug on screen makes my blood boil!

Sutty · Sep 28, 2012

These aren't my words, they are words from another forum I'm a member of, but they pretty much nail it as far as I'm concerned:

"The amount of people asking this is amazing considering it’s been so well covered all over the media.

He was charged with a “Racially aggravated public order offence” in court and found not guilty.

He was charged with using “abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour” towards Ferdinand with the further charge that he is alleged to have “included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Anton Ferdinand” by the FA.

The court case set out to prove that Terry used the words that are alleged in an attempt to cause distress - they could not prove this. The FA only needed to be satisfied that he used the words in order to reach a guilty verdict.

... you also have the different burden of proofs required by courts / the FA.

I don’t understand why people are so shocked that the FA seem to be harsher than “the law”. They are in pretty much every case. When was the last time you saw a player punch another and get charged with assault? Hardly ever and yet the FA will still charge them."

SkyBlueUkeman · Sep 28, 2012

^ you see that. That is a post. A top post.

redsox · Sep 28, 2012

Houchens Head said:
I just can't stand John Terry! Whether or not he's a racist twat or not! He is a slimeball thug, who thinks he's God's gift to football. If he were ever to play for us (ha!), I would NEVER show my support for the city. In over 50 years of following football - a sport that I love - I have never known such an obnoxious human being! I ferkin' HATE him with a passion! Just the sight of his ugly mug on screen makes my blood boil!

Good to see that a cool head and a reasonable attitude wins over.....lol. Seriously HH couldn't agree more, what a

!!!

Sick Boy · Sep 30, 2012

How is John Terry any worse than Marlon King?

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