Given there’s no magic crystal ball to tell who is vulnerable you’re wrong.Title says it all really...inviting the challenge. Vaccinate the vulnerable, obviously let anyone who still feels uncomfortable the continue to shield, then just open back up.
Let life resume. Why is this the wrong thing to do?
I'm not sure I want to go here...Title says it all really...inviting the challenge. Vaccinate the vulnerable, obviously let anyone who still feels uncomfortable the continue to shield, then just open back up.
Let life resume. Why is this the wrong thing to do?
Yeh that’s a good point. So you’re saying that if the vulnerable were vaccinated it would be useless eventually because the more rampant the virus is the more it mutates which could make new variants so the vaccine wouldn’t work?I don’t have the science chops to fully explain it, but aren’t there concerns about letting it rip leading to new variants too? The potential for the virus to mutate and knacker the vaccine makes it more sensible to get herd immunity through vaccinations rather than through infections.
Think this is a key point to me as well. “Offered the chance”. All this talk of covid passports and all that shit is outrageous. Why should someone be a social pariah if they don’t want to have a vaccine, so long as everyone who is clinically vulnerable has bad one?*But, there'll not be *that* long after vulnerable have been vaccinated before everybody has been offered the chance to be. We're talking a matter of weeks in a pandemic that's been running over a year.
That door swings both ways. Why should people who don’t want to be exposed to the anti-vacs, anti-vaccine passport etc make they’re life choices based on other people’s tantrums. If someone is going to suffer it should be those who are part of the problem not those who are part of the solution. Everyone one has the right to feel safe at the cinema, pub, concert hall, football stadium, on a plane etc and if there’s people who don’t want to be part of that society then they should be the ones to feel the consequences of their actions not everyone else.Think this is a key point to me as well. “Offered the chance”. All this talk of covid passports and all that shit is outrageous. Why should someone be a social pariah if they don’t want to have a vaccine, so long as everyone who is clinically vulnerable has bad one?*
*had my vaccine first shot to be clear. No superpowers yet
Title says it all really...inviting the challenge. Vaccinate the vulnerable, obviously let anyone who still feels uncomfortable the continue to shield, then just open back up.
Let life resume. Why is this the wrong thing to do?
(Disclaimer: EDIT actually forget the disclaimer, we’re all adults )
Yeh that’s a good point. So you’re saying that if the vulnerable were vaccinated it would be useless eventually because the more rampant the virus is the more it mutates which could make new variants so the vaccine wouldn’t work?
They will feel safe if vaccinated no?Everyone one has the right to feel safe at the cinema, pub, concert hall, football stadium, on a plane etc and if there’s people who don’t want to be part of that society then they should be the ones to feel the consequences of their actions not everyone else.
Yeh that’s a good point. So you’re saying that if the vulnerable were vaccinated it would be useless eventually because the more rampant the virus is the more it mutates which could make new variants so the vaccine wouldn’t work?
I’m very fortunate to have had one and wouldn’t have had it if I didn’t quite want it also.That and you're lucky enough to have already had a jab, some of us quite want one but will have to wait until June or July for even the first jab.
Isn’t the issue in Brazil that they’ve hardly vaccinated anyone?Take a look at what's going on in Brazil for the answer to that. It has essentially turned into a national Petri dish with new variants testing themselves out every day. The problem with COVID in particular is it's transmitted before people even show symptoms, which means that the traditional rules over viruses becoming more infectious but less deadly doesn't necessarily hold either.
Yeah the sensible thing would be to vaccinate us, then impose strict rules like in Aus / NZ, where life continues as 'normal' just about, but entry and exit in the country is tightly controlled, and any outbreak is jumped on swiftly.Basically yeah. Was listening to a woman who runs a project tracking new strains and she was saying places like India and Brazil are basically variant factories right now because of all the cases. Also saying how there’s loads of blind spots where we don’t have the sequencing to identify variants until they spread enough to get to a rich country.
Made me think that we aren’t going to be able to just vaccinate the west and call it a day. Same theory on a smaller scale with vaccinating the vulnerable. We aren’t safe until everyone’s safe. The next year we should really be pouring resource into vaccinating the next tier of countries and getting sequencing out into these places. I doubt we will though, foreign aid is a hard argument to make right now.
Only if/when enough people are vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. We’re not safe until we’re all safe. It’s as simple as that. I think we’re yet to discover the percentage to achieve herd immunity but for measles it’s about 95%, other illnesses are as low as 60%.They will feel safe if vaccinated no?
The issue in Brazil is they have a government who are in denial and continue to let it run riot through the country.I’m very fortunate to have had one and wouldn’t have had it if I didn’t quite want it also.
Isn’t the issue in Brazil that they’ve hardly vaccinated anyone?
Slightly off topic but interesting that printing money is completely fine when it comes to fiscal stimulus and furlough etc but not for foreign aid to stop world hungerI doubt we will though, foreign aid is a hard argument to make right now.
I’m very fortunate to have had one and wouldn’t have had it if I didn’t quite want it also.
Isn’t the issue in Brazil that they’ve hardly vaccinated anyone?
Jeez. When does it end. Is global herd immunity even achievableBasically yeah. Was listening to a woman who runs a project tracking new strains and she was saying places like India and Brazil are basically variant factories right now because of all the cases. Also saying how there’s loads of blind spots where we don’t have the sequencing to identify variants until they spread enough to get to a rich country.
Made me think that we aren’t going to be able to just vaccinate the west and call it a day.
Not quite as interactiveDunno. Probably studies on it though I reckon that might explain it.
Jeez. When does it end. Is global herd immunity even achievable
What are people's thoughts on the arguement of the safety of the vaccines, given they have been developed in only 9 months as opposed to the average 10 years?
For me, we are not getting back to normal unless the majority of those offered a vaccine take it. I'm still waiting for my first dose and I cannot see me getting it until June at the earliest, thanks to the media shitstorm of AZ blood closts; 70 out of 20 million I'll take my chances thanks!
Jeez. When does it end. Is global herd immunity even achievable
What are people's thoughts on the arguement of the safety of the vaccines, given they have been developed in only 9 months as opposed to the average 10 years?
For me, we are not getting back to normal unless the majority of those offered a vaccine take it. I'm still waiting for my first dose and I cannot see me getting it until June at the earliest, thanks to the media shitstorm of AZ blood clots; 70 out of 20 million I'll take my chances thanks!
I have complete confidence in the scientific community, more so now that I'm no longer in itIt should be hailed that we have developed a vaccine with virtually 100% protection against serious illness for a novel disease in under a year, with minimal side effects. Turning it down because of the latter is akin to criticising an alchemist because the gold's got a bit of dirt on it
What are people's thoughts on the arguement of the safety of the vaccines, given they have been developed in only 9 months as opposed to the average 10 years?
For me, we are not getting back to normal unless the majority of those offered a vaccine take it. I'm still waiting for my first dose and I cannot see me getting it until June at the earliest, thanks to the media shitstorm of AZ blood clots; 70 out of 20 million I'll take my chances thanks!
Isn't it right to say they tookavacinne already in development for something else and tweaked it?
It wasn't as rushed as people think.
Fairly sure there was a vacinne for one of the other epidemics, perhaps SARs, which they took a few short cuts on and it went tips up s this time everything has been done by the book.
Jeez. When does it end. Is global herd immunity even achievable
What are people's thoughts on the arguement of the safety of the vaccines, given they have been developed in only 9 months as opposed to the average 10 years?
For me, we are not getting back to normal unless the majority of those offered a vaccine take it. I'm still waiting for my first dose and I cannot see me getting it until June at the earliest, thanks to the media shitstorm of AZ blood clots; 70 out of 20 million I'll take my chances thanks!
What are people's thoughts on the arguement of the safety of the vaccines, given they have been developed in only 9 months as opposed to the average 10 years?
The biggest misconception is the work on the vaccine started when the pandemic began.
And they had already developed a ChAdOx1 vaccine for Mers , which could train the immune system to spot the spike. The Oxford team were not starting from scratch.
"If this had been a completely unknown virus, then we'd have been in a very different position," Prof Pollard added.
32 million have had a jab. They account for 99% of covid deaths by category.
If the vaccine works then surely at this point things have to go back to normal. Either that or we lock our doors for eternity.
Read the thread man. The worry is you let it circulate and we get vaccine resistant strains and are locked down forever (or at least until a variant vaccine can be produced and distributed). We should be fine come June, just need tight borders while the rest of the planet sorts their shit out.
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