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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Oct 20, 2016
  • #141
Nick said:
Do you really think it doesn't harm ccfc?

Yes I do have an agenda, it's ccfc strangely enough.

Deflect what attention? Pointing out things get made up is not deflecting anything, it's just pointing it out.
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How does a Telegraph campaign aimed at getting rid of Sisu harm the club? Who is the greatest danger to our club, Sisu or the CT?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 20, 2016
  • #142
Irish Sky Blue said:
How does a Telegraph campaign aimed at getting rid of Sisu harm the club? Who is the greatest danger to our club, Sisu or the CT?
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Are you serious that it doesn't harm the club? All of the stirring and negativity, the fact they are making things up to promote a boycott.

They have been trying to get protests fired up for ages, what better way to write stuff to get the people going.

How is it going to get rid of sisu by the way? What happens when they run out of ex players to brief to get a few lines out of and things dry up?

What happens if god forbid we actually get a decent run of form put together, they would be absolutely gutted.

In all honestly, there are far too many dangers to the football club as the owners, local council and local media all don't seem too fussed.

Have you not noticed the trend? Somebody can start a thread saying "sisu r wankers" and everybody sort of shrugs and says fair enough and it dies off.

Nobody at all I don't think would say no to great new owners, sort a stadium and academy and we live happily ever after.

Nobody falls for sisus bullshit apart from maybe rfc who doesn't count, how many people are falling for everybody else's?
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2016
  • #143
Nick said:
Do you really think it doesn't harm ccfc?

Yes I do have an agenda, it's ccfc strangely enough.

Deflect what attention? Pointing out things get made up is not deflecting anything, it's just pointing it out.
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Spend as much time pointing out the things SISU have made up then. You have a bigger pool to fish in and unlike the stuff that the CT make up what SISU make up directly has a negative effect on CCFC from source.
 
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smouch1975

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  • Oct 20, 2016
  • #144
skybluebeduff said:
A thread about a fan who has flown over from the states to watch a game turned into an agenda from the CET who are working closely with the council to gain planning permission. Wow.
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He is just over visiting his mum

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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 20, 2016
  • #145
skybluetony176 said:
Spend as much time pointing out the things SISU have made up then. You have a bigger pool to fish in and unlike the stuff that the CT make up what SISU make up directly has a negative effect on CCFC from source.
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You mean the massive thing line the stadium I said was bullshit straight away?

The butts only gets discussed as a what if and hypothetical, rather than a when.

Who is actually falling for things they say?
 

eedyut

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2016
  • #146
skybluetony176 said:
Spend as much time pointing out the things SISU have made up then. You have a bigger pool to fish in and unlike the stuff that the CT make up what SISU make up directly has a negative effect on CCFC from source.
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It's shit like this that gets us nowhere. We all know SISU are nefarious and damaging, some clocked earlier than others. The Telegraph have done nothing tangible to unite the fans, connect contacts or investigate the roots beneath the mud.
 
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Irish Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #147
Nick said:
Are you serious that it doesn't harm the club? All of the stirring and negativity, the fact they are making things up to promote a boycott.

They have been trying to get protests fired up for ages, what better way to write stuff to get the people going.

How is it going to get rid of sisu by the way? What happens when they run out of ex players to brief to get a few lines out of and things dry up?

What happens if god forbid we actually get a decent run of form put together, they would be absolutely gutted.

In all honestly, there are far too many dangers to the football club as the owners, local council and local media all don't seem too fussed.

Have you not noticed the trend? Somebody can start a thread saying "sisu r wankers" and everybody sort of shrugs and says fair enough and it dies off.

Nobody at all I don't think would say no to great new owners, sort a stadium and academy and we live happily ever after.

Nobody falls for sisus bullshit apart from maybe rfc who doesn't count, how many people are falling for everybody else's?
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You think the CT are the cause of the negativity surrounding our club? They are responsible for taking us to Northampton, for having no academy site in 9 months, no stadium after next year, a disastrous fall in attendances, a relegation, 7 failed managers, countless lies and broken promises? If there Is discontent do you not think the above list and more has something to do with it? You think that the unrest at the moment is bad for CCFC, I think it is very much needed. You seem to say that that we should sit on our hands and quietly watch our club die. How are we supposed to get rid of Sisu if we sit and do nothing? All the protests may be in vain but at least people are trying. If the Telegraph helps with this, raises the issues, gets people involved and brings our plight to a wider audience then I think this is great. You seem to be saying that this is bad for the club. Our club is dying. Not because of the CT but mainly because of Sisu. Do we sit and say we don't rock the boat as it affects "The Lads" or do we support those who are trying to keep us alive and get us out of this long slow decline to oblivion.
People aren't sheep. They don't start protesting because the CT says " Sisu Out" They can see what is going on and they know who is to blame for the mire we are in. You say you want Sisu out. If this is true why not support those who are doing their best to bring this about?
 
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dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #148
Irish Sky Blue said:
Does that harm CCFC? If it is something you object to then raise it as a separate issue. Is the CT campaign helping to make Sisu uncomfortable? Possibly.
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skybluebeduff asked what the CET has to gain, I answered the question. What the rest of your post has to do with my answer I have no idea.
 

chickentikkamasala

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #149
A completely fabricated story, I personally detest the Telegraph and the biased stories. But most newspapers are the same and follow an agenda.
 
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skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #150
Nick said:
Do you really think it doesn't harm ccfc?

Yes I do have an agenda, it's ccfc strangely enough.

Deflect what attention? Pointing out things get made up is not deflecting anything, it's just pointing it out.
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You've been doing it way before this article came about. Irish Sky Blue answered it perfectly.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #151
skybluebeduff said:
You've been doing it way before this article came about. Irish Sky Blue answered it perfectly.
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Ha correcting them for making things up you mean?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #152
Nick said:
You mean the massive thing line the stadium I said was bullshit straight away?

The butts only gets discussed as a what if and hypothetical, rather than a when.

Who is actually falling for things they say?
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I never questioned if you believed it or not I questioned the amount of time and effort you spend questioning them. You've so far promoted 5 pages on a nothing story about a nothing story that does nothing negative directly to the club. I'm questioning your priorities.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #153
Irish Sky Blue said:
You think the CT are the cause of the negativity surrounding our club? They are responsible for taking us to Northampton, for having no academy site in 9 months, no stadium after next year, a disastrous fall in attendances, a relegation, 7 failed managers, countless lies and broken promises? If there Is discontent do you not think the above list and more has something to do with it? You think that the unrest at the moment is bad for CCFC, I think it is very much needed. You seem to say that that we should sit on our hands and quietly watch our club die. How are we supposed to get rid of Sisu if we sit and do nothing? All the protests may be in vain but at least people are trying. If the Telegraph helps with this, raises the issues, gets people involved and brings our plight to a wider audience then I think this is great. You seem to be saying that this is bad for the club. Our club is dying. Not because of the CT but mainly because of Sisu. Do we sit and say we don't rock the boat as it affects "The Lads" or do we support those who are trying to keep us alive and get us out of this long slow decline to oblivion.
People aren't sheep. They don't start protesting because the CT says " Sisu Out" They can see what is going on and they know who is to blame for the mire we are in. You say you want Sisu out. If this is true why not support those who are doing their best to bring this about?
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Nicks head of the protest group doing it the Neville Chamberlain way. Have you not heard about all the action they're taking against SISU?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #153
skybluetony176 said:
I never questioned if you believed it or not I questioned the amount of time and effort you spend questioning them. You've so far promoted 5 pages on a nothing story about a nothing story that does nothing negative directly to the club. I'm questioning your priorities.
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I haven't promoted 5 pages, the issue is that as you can see, people will actually believe it. Is it not an issue how much fans get misled?

It isn't effort, it took me less than a minute to disprove the article, I actually remembered seeing the guy write something a few days ago and recognised his picture so thought it was a bit strange.

How many people believe sisus stuff? That's why those threads don't drag on, you might only ever see rfc on there.

The big threads were the hypothetical what ifs rather than when's.

My priority is ccfc, shame not everybody can join me with it.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #154
Nick said:
Ha correcting them for making things up you mean?
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How many times have you fell over yourself to correct the things SISU have made up?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #155
skybluetony176 said:
Nicks head of the protest group doing it the Neville Chamberlain way. Have you not heard about all the action they're taking against SISU?
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What like you shouting about wasps when the academy news came out and then piping down as soon as they said it's all sisus fault?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #156
Nick said:
What like you shouting about wasps when the academy news came out and then piping down as soon as they said it's all sisus fault?
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Who's said it's all SISU's fault? People had a problem with SISU's lack of enthusiasm with for saving the academy. Was that wrong? Should we have accepted them rolling over regarding the academy and done it the Neville Chamberlain way?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #157
skybluetony176 said:
Who's said it's all SISU's fault? People had a problem with SISU's lack of enthusiasm with for saving the academy. Was that wrong? Should we have accepted them rolling over regarding the academy and done it the Neville Chamberlain way?
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No, every party should have been hammered in it. Like I have said all along.
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #158
skybluetony176 said:
How many times have you fell over yourself to correct the things SISU have made up?
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Probably more than you have for the council.

I won't be still posting this article in 3 years saying it is wrong as people do with SISU ones, that is the difference and why they don't drag on.

Still, if it is ok to completely fabricate news for the Coventry public to help them along making up their minds on things then no wonder you hear so many people making things up themselves.
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #159
Nick said:
Ha correcting them for making things up you mean?
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You claimed they had an agenda way before this article, whats the agenda and the end game for them?

In all honestly, who gives a shite about the article, it's the agenda i'm only interested in. If you say the CET's agenda is effecting CCFC, why and how?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #160
skybluebeduff said:
You claimed they had an agenda way before this article, whats the agenda and the end game for them?

In all honestly, who gives a shite about the article, i's the agenda i'm only interested in. If you say the CET's agenda is effecting CCFC, why and how?
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Who knows their exact agenda, but they aren't doing it all for their love of CCFC are they? You can tell that they have been enjoying it, and if we did have a good run and climb the table they wouldn't be able to push their stuff half as far.

Is it just for publicity to get more traffic, is it that their biggest "shareholder" is allegedly the council, is it really just because they have nothing to write about? It wouldn't be the first time they have jumped on board the council train.

I originally thought they might know something (maybe somebody is waiting in the wings) as they must have to go all out, that they were going to do a Sixfields where they John Terry'd it.

Now it just looks like they don't really know what the end game is.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #161
i bet gilberts book put the editior into a corner, he had to make the paper anti sisu too perhaps?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #162
19,000 tell Coventry City owners to sell up and GO
More than 19.000 people have now backed the Telegraph’s petition calling for Coventry City owners Sisu to sell up.
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Coventry Telegraph started this petition with a single signature, and now has 18,525 supporters.
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Astute

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  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #163
Nick said:
The butts only gets discussed as a what if and hypothetical, rather than a when.
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Incorrect.

Each time the Butts gets mentioned if you say that it is too small, access isn't good enough or parking might be a problem you get pulled up straight away. And it is by some of those that are having a go at the CET here.

Yes it is poor reporting. But I get more wound up about the bullshit coming from SISU than the CET.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #164
Astute said:
Incorrect.

Each time the Butts gets mentioned if you say that it is too small, access isn't good enough or parking might be a problem you get pulled up straight away. And it is by some of those that are having a go at the CET here.

Yes it is poor reporting. But I get more wound up about the bullshit coming from SISU than the CET.
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Yes, it is debated whether it can be done. People have proven that it can be done with dimensions of other stadiums.

All of it comes back to cost, a clever architect could do something. It would cost a fortune compared to doing it in a field, which is where the debates are. Nobody has said things like "It's OK, SISU are going to stump up for fantastic architects who can work a miracle".

Same with parking, the debate has been that it is near town so not as much parking will be needed. It is a debate, it is nobody actually saying it will happen, or is going to happen is it?

It is never people saying "They are going to build it". It is more about the hypotheticals like I said "Could / should / would" rather then "when".
 

Astute

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  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #165
And the grounds that are compared with it don't have railway lines and an old folks home so close with restricted access. And what I said was people having a go for saying it doesn't look possible.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #166
Astute said:
And the grounds that are compared with it don't have railway lines and an old folks home so close with restricted access. And what I said was people having a go for saying it doesn't look possible.
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It isn't having a go is it? It is discussing it hypothetically, which is what I said originally. It is all if's and maybes and isn't "whens and nows".
 

Moff

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  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #167
Bruce the Boot said:
And here's everybody's favourite clown !
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First line of your autobiography?
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #168
Nick said:
It isn't having a go is it? It is discussing it hypothetically, which is what I said originally. It is all if's and maybes and isn't "whens and nows".
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Are you saying that nobody gets verbally attacked on here when they say about the problems on building there?
 

Nick

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  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #169
Astute said:
Are you saying that nobody gets verbally attacked on here when they say about the problems on building there?
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Have people been abused for just pointing it out and that's all?

I am happy to be wrong, as I am a lot!
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #170
Nick said:
Nobody falls for sisus bullshit apart from maybe rfc who doesn't count, how many people are falling for everybody else's?
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the FL ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 21, 2016
  • #171
ccfcway said:
the FL ?
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I think the council and Wasps did their bit to keep the FL happy. Now, if they were saying "here is some land" and "here is a fantastic deal" then it would be a different story
 

hill83

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  • Oct 22, 2016
  • #172
Moff said:
First line of your autobiography?
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higgs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2016
  • #173
I will never get over the fact of seeing wasps crests over the ricoh that should have been our forever home. The fact that it was left happen stinks no matter who we blame it still stinks that should be our stadium building another one is just bull pie in the sky stuff. Even for an investor now with us having no assets it's a disgrace that it was left happen

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torchomatic

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  • Oct 22, 2016
  • #174
Astute said:
Are you saying that nobody gets verbally attacked on here when they say about the problems on building there?
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"Verbally attacked"? Jesus, noi don't think they do.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 22, 2016
  • #175
There's an article up now about how the fans are more united than ever. a) that's clearly not true, b) its in part not true due to the CT trying to whip everyone up into a frenzy.
 
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