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  • Start date Aug 28, 2013
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #1
With the politicians taking about invading, should we be getting involved?

Chemical warfare is wrong, but if we get involved will it being more stuff our way?
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #2
Nick are you having a midweek tipple?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #3
Nope, just thought I'd make a thread not about nopm and its all over the news today.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #4
Nick said:
Nope, just thought I'd make a thread not about nopm and its all over the news today.
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You feel really strongly about this NOPM business right Nick?
 

Johnnythespider

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #5
I think the politicians should use economic sanctions first, nopm if you like, only kidding Nick, seriously no i don't think we should get involved, yet, as the proof isn't conclusive but i do think that whoever is responsible should be hung.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #6
I think we should give the Syrian regime NOPM
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #7
We should wait for the UN.
We should also take a smaller part in any escalation like other EU nations.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #8
Any land that needs decontamination should involve Ccfc and Tescos.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #9
100000 dead, millions displaced in the most recent experience where we allowed those with power to kill, rape, mutilate defenceless groups of people in Europe in the 90's. We doing nothing again?
 

covhead1

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #10
send grendel there NOW!
 

Joe King

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #11
I have never agreed with any government trampling over its people or any other country being "invaded" by another. And I'll be very controversial as well: the Spanish should claim back Gibraltar and the Falklands should be Argentinian.
 
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Vedere

New Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #12
Can we send SISU on a scouting mission there?
 

sw88

Chief Commentator!
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #13
Want my thoughts on this well here goes........

This thread should be in the 'off topic' forum. You should know better Nick
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #14
sw88 said:
Want my thoughts on this well here goes........

This thread should be in the 'off topic' forum. You should know better Nick
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Damn I thought I had!!! Damn phone, moved it now
 

M&B Stand

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #15
italiahorse said:
Any land that needs decontamination should involve Ccfc and Tescos.
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Any food that needs to be distributed to refugee's should be supplied by Compass
 
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Skyblue4u

New Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #16
Both sides are as bad as each other. The rebels cut the heart out of a live solider and ate it. Bunch of animals, we should stay out of it
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #17
Something could be happening soon. Some lads in the army have had their leave cancelled.

I am all for human rights, but should our lads have to go into all these countries all the time?
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #18
Houchens Head said:
I have never agreed with any government trampling over its people or any other country being "invaded" by another. And I'll be very controversial as well: the Spanish should claim back Gibraltar and the Falklands should be Argentinian.
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Before we start even contemplating giving Gibralter away...we should demand the Spanish set an example by giving Ceuta & Melilla up to Morocco, & the Argentines should give up their claim to Antartican territory. If we got to that point we should then let the people decide just like we are doing in Scotland...we bend over backwards to pacify others.
As for getting involved in Syria - it's bugger all to do with us...let them have their wars. It seems it's almost acceptable...bar a few disapproving harrumps for these Governmets to shoot bullets & fire shells at their iwn people - but chemical weapons are a no-no?! we either get stuck in & do it properly ourselves like times gone by, or leave well alone. If it's loss of oil supply our governments are really concerned for, & we want or need it so bad, then we should just come out & say it then do the Empire building thing again...or pay the going rate for the stuff based upon supply & demand.
 
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VegetableSamosa

New Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #19
With America, Russia and China getting involved and arming the various sides, what's the point in the UK getting involved too? It's just be a waste of money with no discernable results. The Americans can do it without us.

That being said, if we want to get involved and look to be helping then why not help the refugees in Turkey and surrounding regions, maybe in the country itself. No other country is doing this on a large scale and it is somewhere we can actually make a noticable, tangiable difference and differentiate ourselves from the superpowers throwing their weight around for their own gains. Syria, and the Middle East, would be better for not having another drawn out war and millions of refugees/future terrorists.

It's got to the point where there are so many rebel groups you can't choose their side because they don't stand for one thing. I'm not saying Assad is right, but they have a government and state in place, they don't seem to be the ones using the gas and it would be the best bet for stability. Maybe say we'll peacekeep whilst free and fair elections are held (and observed by the UN). That way we support the country without picking sides and hopefully Syria is left in some sort of decent state.

However, if we do send in troops, I will support them and obviously wish them the best. Living in Colchester, I've had my run ins with Squaddies, but they're great guys and it's a ghost town when they leave.

TL;DR Help refugees, don't have a fight. Help protect Syria as a state without picking sides.
 
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Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #20
No way should we get involved with Syria, It seems to me that the likes of William Hague can't wait to get us involved.

I know this may not be a popular view, but somethings not quite right about this chemical attack. With Americans stance on the use of chemical weapons and the UN chemical weapons team visiting, I can't see how Assad would be stupid enough to carry out something like this now. A rebel attack like this would bring the help and support they need.
 
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Ashdown1

New Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #21
I don't think we should give a penny more to another power struggle in a middle Eastern country ! The opposition to Assad will turn round and resent us sooner or later anyway, especially if they are being sponsored by the Iranians. I think we should sort out our own problems at home first thanks !
 

blueflint

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2013
  • #22
needs sorted plans for new stadium rest on this
 
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Sky Blue Dal

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2013
  • #23
Marty said:
No way should we get involved with Syria, It seems to me that the likes of William Hague can't wait to get us involved.

I know this may not be a popular view, but somethings not quite right about this chemical attack. With Americans stance on the use of chemical weapons and the UN chemical weapons team visiting, I can't see how Assad would be stupid enough to carry out something like this now. A rebel attack like this would bring the help and support they need.
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Toche!! I agree... I smell a rat... It all a setup in there plan to invade Iran. If they do go in, then mark my word it will not be a walk in the park like Iraq was.

CaMoron better be prepared for more than just body bags coming home. Then again, he's the PM and will have the best security protection tax payers money can buy whilst we the British tax payers are sitting ducks.

What I want to ask is where is the evidence that Assads regime used chemical these weapons. It is known fact that the rebels also possess chemical agents. Only recently a number of these rebels who are majority foreign insurgence were intercepted by Turkish officials carrying toxic chemical agents. How do we know if an undercover chemical factory run by the rebels was hit during the Syrian air raids. We have evidence only from the rebels who are losing the war and in desperation to get a upper hand at any cost.

Another question for people with short memories is where is the evidence that Saddam had WMD??
 
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VegetableSamosa

New Member
  • Aug 29, 2013
  • #24
Sky Blue Dal said:
Toche!! I agree... I smell a rat... It all a setup in there plan to invade Iran. If they do go in, then mark my word it will not be a walk in the park like Iraq was.

Another question for people with short memories is where is the evidence that Saddam had WMD??
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Thing is, they are doing it differently this time. They're putting it to a vote in the Commons after all attempts to get a UN resolution fails (which they will) and after the UN Weapons Inspectors have published their report. The decision won't be made in private on the basis of made up facts, but our MPs will decided based on public evidence. Bear in mind, they didn't do the vote today (29/08) because they knew they would lose it and they are not using emergency powers like Obama will do. This shows that they are actually not that eager to rush into another war. It should be different to Iraq in this respect, however I agree that the war will not be easy and our efforts should be elsewhere, like I said in my last post.

I dislike the Tories as much as the next guy and I hate to admit this, but Hague has made the right decision (in my mind) doing it this way. In fact, it's probably the only thing the coalition has done right. Unfortunately, no one trusts politicians.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2013
  • #25
Sky Blue Dal said:
"I smell a rat..."
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It's Politics...there is usually a rat involved.

Probably right in your
Sky Blue Dal said:
"all a setup in there plan to invade Iran"
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comment - there will be a SISU style umbrella strategy in place for achieving "stability" in the region.

GASP
Sky Blue Dal said:
"it will not be a walk in the park like Iraq was"
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...not much of a walk in the park for those who were killed or injured/traumatised. I think I understand your point though.

Sky Blue Dal said:
"CaMoron"
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...aha, there's one rat!

Sky Blue Dal said:
"What I want to ask is where is the evidence that Assads regime used chemical these weapons"
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...err there was sufficiently convincing evidence of WOMDs before the Iraq invasion.

Sky Blue Dal said:
"It is known fact that the rebels also possess chemical agents"
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...is it?

Sky Blue Dal said:
"Only recently a number of these rebels who are majority foreign insurgence were intercepted by Turkish officials carrying toxic chemical agents"
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Are the "majority foreign"? Or are you believing the media (fatal error beyond the headline of almost any story...by paragraph 2 speculation usually kicks-in). Also, can/should we take the "Turkish officials" word? Is their word better than Syria's or US's word?

Sky Blue Dal said:
"How do we know if an undercover chemical factory run by the rebels was hit during the Syrian air raids"
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...we don't know that, & we will have to wait an indeterminable time for it to be uncovered if that was the case.
 
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sky blue zam

Member
  • Aug 29, 2013
  • #26
Astute said:
Something could be happening soon. Some lads in the army have had their leave cancelled.

I am all for human rights, but should our lads have to go into all these countries all the time?
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especially when soldiers are getting made redundant. why does the pm and the yanks think its a good idea to stick their nose into other countries business all the time. sooner or later it will all go wrong especially with the chinese and russians getting involved.

just stay out of it and save money at the same time
 

sw88

Chief Commentator!
  • Aug 29, 2013
  • #27
Government defeated by 13 votes. Take it that means the majority of the house voted against us going? I do hope so....
 
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VegetableSamosa

New Member
  • Aug 30, 2013
  • #28
That's exactly what it means.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2013
  • #29
""It is clear to me that the British Parliament, reflecting the views of the British people, does not want to see British military action. I get that and the government will act accordingly."
So...just to emphasise...It is CLEAR...THE BRITISH PEOPLE, does not wish to SEE British military action. He gets that & the government will ACT ACCORDINGLY.
So act accordingly with what specifically? Parliamentary reflection of the view of the British people? America's decisions/actions...hiding our military involvement so that we do not SEE it? Or, undertake covert action at home, or in Syria, to turn opinion around to what the government wants to do?
 
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Ashdown1

New Member
  • Aug 30, 2013
  • #30
Very impressed with Ed Milliband's comments when he says ' US, UK close ties should not depend on the UK doing what the US president says should happen !!' Fair play Ed !
 

spwaverley4916

Active Member
  • Aug 30, 2013
  • #31
Ashdown1 said:
Very impressed with Ed Milliband's comments when he says ' US, UK close ties should not depend on the UK doing what the US president says should happen !!' Fair play Ed !
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quite right trouble is its the condem that listens to what the the US president says - so i tend to think that we will end up supporting whatever the usa does - either up front or behind the the scenes
 

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2013
  • #32
Too often has the expectation been from the US that we will blindly follow them into ill advised invasions of the Middle East to retain the 'special relationship'. What of all the other nations we support who exhibit scant regard for their own citizens' welfare? If the Yanks want to bomb the hell out of Syria and go in all guns blazing then let them-just like Iraq and Afghanistan this is not our fight but this time at last common sense has prevailed.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2013
  • #33
Well, its prevailed for now....

...but I believe the strategic position of Syria with regards Suez canal & all the oil pipelines to the Med & into Europe via Turkey etc. is too bigger prize to resist....

...And all the global multi-nationals such as G4, Haliburton, Serco, Academi etc. etc. will be lobbying like fuck for intervention......

Intervention = big money contracts.
 
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Taga

New Member
  • Aug 30, 2013
  • #34
Just for a little balance on this.....Securing many British (company) owned oilfields will protect us from (even more) fuel hikes. The major investment that always comes at the end of any war to repair/create infrastructure will typically go to those that helped win that war.

We are talking big money here. Money that would save jobs or maybe even create a few.

It a very fine economic arguement..Ask Kellogg Brown and Root
 

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2013
  • #35
Taga said:
Just for a little balance on this.....Securing many British (company) owned oilfields will protect us from (even more) fuel hikes. The major investment that always comes at the end of any war to repair/create infrastructure will typically go to those that helped win that war.

We are talking big money here. Money that would save jobs or maybe even create a few.

It a very fine economic arguement..Ask Kellogg Brown and Root
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Would you be happy with our soldiers dying for more oil?
 
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