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Match Thread Supporter's Meeting with Doug King Match Thread (6 Viewers)

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nicksar

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,171
better days said:
That is (literally) incredible
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He never said it....he said they couldn't find a head coach that (A) Mark Robins wanted to work with & (B) who wanted to be number two.
 
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better days

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,172
nicksar said:
He never said it....he said they couldn't find a head coach that (A) Mark Robins wanted to work with & (B) who wanted to be number two.
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That's a bit different then
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 15, 2024
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It was implied through out that Mark was opposed to have a number 2 an experienced assistant,and instead wanted a flat back room set up. DK challenged it in the summer and at their meeting on Sept 30.

Robins never put forward an assistant to King. King confirmed it wasn’t about package either because no one was ever put forward by Robins.
 
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mmttww

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,174
Yeah, can we stop forgetting huge chunks of what King said because it suits a point we might want to make.

If people want to keep talking about something that's happened and won't be undone, fill your boots!

but the whole thing is available if you didn't catch it live. If you haven't listened to it, maybe don't post about it.

He didn't say MR was fired because he / they couldn't find an assistant. He felt that it led to the poor results.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,175
Deity said:
It was implied through out that Mark was opposed to have a number 2 an experienced assistant,and instead wanted a flat back room set up. DK challenged it in the summer and at their meeting on Sept 30.

Robins never put forward an assistant to King. King confirmed it wasn’t about package either because no one was ever put forward by Robins.
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Willful ignorance from some on here unfortunately.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,176
ovduk78 said:
....and some of that was because MR seemed to have a good working relationship with Joy & Tim I'm fairly sure a manager who doesn't have that would cease to be a manager quite quickly
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Which is what happened between him and King by the looks of it
Only going to be one winner
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,177
skybluecam said:
Willful ignorance from some on here unfortunately.
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You don't believe USskyblue then?
 

usskyblue

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,178
We could’ve had Ramsey in as a #2 but the owner denied it.
 
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nicksar

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,179
usskyblue said:
We could’ve had Ramsey in as a #2 but the owner denied it.
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Not doubting you at all on that but I think by that point in the process Doug King had decided to Sack Mark Robins.
 
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mmttww

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  • Nov 15, 2024
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clint van damme said:
Which is what happened between him and King by the looks of it
Only going to be one winner
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oh, come on.

He gave AV a four year deal. Doubt AV was extended against MR's wishes. Less than a year into that, MR tells him he can't work with AV. King sucks it up.

MR is on record as saying he's glad he doesn't have to do everything anymore. He's on record as saying that the coaches lead with tactics and training.

MR green lights new coaching appointments. We start - or keep - tanking despite most gaps in the squad being sorted out pretty quickly.

He's given better training facilities than anyone's probably ever had at the club. He's had all the money from sales spent on players he approved signing.

No speculation allowed here - explain what points to a poor working relationship between the two of them? I'm lost on that one. Really don't see it at all.
 
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mmttww

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,181
usskyblue said:
We could’ve had Ramsey in as a #2 but the owner denied it.
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According to someone who you can't / won't name. If people are allowed to question how complete or honest DK's version is, feel like other sides to the story should get the same scrutiny.
 

usskyblue

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,182
nicksar said:
Not doubting you at all on that but I think by that point in the process Doug King had decided to Sack Mark Robins.
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Timing was given as the reason.

Unfortunately for the owner, after denying Ramsey, we went on to draw away at QPR then beat Luton at home and Boro away.
Derby was poor but could’ve been very different if he hadn’t denied Ramsey.

We’ll never know.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,183
mmttww said:
oh, come on.

He gave AV a four year deal. Doubt AV was extended against MR's wishes. Less than a year into that, MR tells him he can't work with AV. King sucks it up.

MR is on record as saying he's glad he doesn't have to do everything anymore. He's on record as saying that the coaches lead with tactics and training.

MR gives the green light to new coaching appointments. We start - or keep - tanking despite most gaps in the squad being sorted out pretty quickly.

He's given better training facilities than anyone's probably ever had at the club. He's had all the money from sales spent on players he approved signing.

No speculation allowed here - explain what points to a poor working relationship between the two of them? I'm lost on that one. Really don't see it at all.
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You think their relationship hadn't deteriorated? OK.
I think it did. And in that situation, only one person's leaving.
And there are parts of the official narrative that I just don't buy into which I've stated on here many times so can't be arsed going into again.

Though I do think whatever went on between Robins and Viveash was the beginning of the end.
 
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nicksar

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  • Nov 15, 2024
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clint van damme said:
Though I do think whatever went on between Robins and Viveash was the beginning of the end.
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That's most definitely the case.
 
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mmttww

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,185
clint van damme said:
You think their relationship hadn't deteriorated?
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Actually, fair enough. You're not really blaming King here. Just pointing out the most likely outcome given what happened. Hear what you're saying.
 
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usskyblue

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,186
mmttww said:
According to someone who you can't / won't name. If people are allowed to question how complete or honest DK's version is, feel like other sides to the story should get the same scrutiny.
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I wouldn’t have said a word if I wasn’t sure I knew differently. The connection is reliable, they are both former players, turned coaches that used to work together and are friends.

It was relayed to me on October 9th about the talks with MR and how well they went. Wages was the next conversation with ownership. Somewhere between the 9th and 14th October ownership dismissed the proposal stating the timing wasn’t right.

I’m not saying anyone is lying, there’s just a gap between what’s been said and what other people know.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,187
clint van damme said:
You don't believe USskyblue then?
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I think by that point the writing was on the wall and DK probably didn't want to hand out a contract he might have to terminate within a fortnight.

I suspect he was going to be sacked if we lost v Luton. It's somewhat unpalatable to sack a manager after a win.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,188
skybluecam said:
I think by that point the writing was on the wall and DK probably didn't want to hand out a contract he might have to terminate within a fortnight.

I suspect he was going to be sacked if we lost v Luton. It's somewhat unpalatable to sack a manager after a win.
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I think the whole thing is a lot more nuanced than people thing, (including me initially).

And I don't think the official narrative is 100% correct.

Though as I've said, I think the breakdown of the Robins/Viveash relationship was the catalyst for all this, though as more emerges I may change my opinion again.

I think King has made a lot of errors, but I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt as I thi k it's possible that he was confronted with a situation unlike anything else he's had to deal with in his other businesses.
 
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usskyblue

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,189
skybluecam said:
I think by that point the writing was on the wall and DK probably didn't want to hand out a contract he might have to terminate within a fortnight.

I suspect he was going to be sacked if we lost v Luton. It's somewhat unpalatable to sack a manager after a win.
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Yep. The situation appears to read that DK was done by that point and waiting for the next really bad result/performance.. which didn’t really materialize until Derby. The timing aspect of getting in an assistant wasn’t mentioned at the forum and it’s created an information gap.

MR and AV’s working relationship seemingly wasn’t as stable as we thought and came to a head after each publicly spoke about their differences of opinion. Seems it was the last straw which as King eluded to, is a damn shame.
 
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mmttww

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  • Nov 15, 2024
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usskyblue said:
Yep. The situation appears to read that DK was done by that point and waiting for the next really bad result/performance.. which didn’t really materialize until Derby. The timing aspect of getting in an assistant wasn’t mentioned at the forum and it’s created an information gap.

MR and AV’s working relationship seemingly wasn’t as stable as we thought and came to a head after each publicly spoke about their differences of opinion. Seems it was the last straw which as King eluded to, is a damn shame.
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Feels about right. Damn f*cking shame, ainnit.
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,191
Haven’t seen this posted elsewhere yet - Big Doug has weighed in on Stamenic and the midfield: Doug King on Ben Sheaf, Marko Stamenic and Coventry City’s midfield numbers

“Everyone is obsessed with the midfield and obviously there has been a few injuries there but we have high quality in there. I mean, how many midfielders do we want? We have the four that we know about (Eccles, Sheaf, Torp, Rudoni), we have Kai Andrews, Jamie Allen, had Kasey Palmer... We have Joel (Latibeaudiere) who can play in there. Maybe we should have nine or ten, do you know what I mean?”
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skybluecam

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,192
SBT said:
Haven’t seen this posted elsewhere yet - Big Doug has weighed in on Stamenic and the midfield: Doug King on Ben Sheaf, Marko Stamenic and Coventry City’s midfield numbers
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Is the ghost of Kasey Palmer going to be starting next Saturday? Odd comment from Douglas there
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 15, 2024
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SBT said:
Haven’t seen this posted elsewhere yet - Big Doug has weighed in on Stamenic and the midfield: Doug King on Ben Sheaf, Marko Stamenic and Coventry City’s midfield numbers
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Reminds me of when a certain German dictator couldn’t understand why his armies were getting annihilated in battle despite looking perfect on the map
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,194
SBT said:
Haven’t seen this posted elsewhere yet - Big Doug has weighed in on Stamenic and the midfield: Doug King on Ben Sheaf, Marko Stamenic and Coventry City’s midfield numbers
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Why does he feel the need to comment on that?
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,195
SBT said:
Haven’t seen this posted elsewhere yet - Big Doug has weighed in on Stamenic and the midfield: Doug King on Ben Sheaf, Marko Stamenic and Coventry City’s midfield numbers
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Clueless if he thinks our midfield is anywhere near good enough
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 15, 2024
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SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Clueless if he thinks our midfield is anywhere near good enough
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All about the coaches mate
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,197
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Clueless if he thinks our midfield is anywhere near good enough
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Of course he is.
He needs to get back in his lane.
Sooner the new man's in the better.
King can concentrate on looking after other aspects of the club.
 
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Mr Panda

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  • Nov 15, 2024
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The midfield becomes slightly less of an issue if we get a manager that can utilise and trust Torp. Robins never fully trusted him and you could almost see him as half an option if needed.

Lati can’t be counted as a midfielder and Jamie Allen needs to be moved on. Signings needed there and I hope this viewpoint from Doug doesn’t overshadow whatever manager with a pair of eyes that comes in, because midfield is obvious and they’ll see that
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,199
clint van damme said:
Why does he feel the need to comment on that?
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It is concerning to say the least that someone who admitted to having no interest in the game as recently as two years ago is apparently using his own football judgment to decide on transfer policy.
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,200
The whole best deck of players is debatable also, from the current side or additions since then only Haji and MVE get into the play off final team.

Mcnally, Doyle, Mcdaz Hamer and Gyokeres all get into the current team based on there performances/level from that season
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,201
clint van damme said:
Why does he feel the need to comment on that?
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Because he was specifically asked a question on it by Turner and as we all know some fans believe its the lack of midfield strength that cost Robins his job.

Not everything in a conspiracy.
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 15, 2024
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SBT said:
It is concerning to say the least that someone who admitted to having no interest in the game as recently as two years ago is apparently using his own football judgment to decide on transfer policy.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 15, 2024
  • #2,203
Deity said:
Because he was specifically asked a question on it by Turner and as we all know some fans believe its the lack of midfield strength that cost Robins his job.

Not everything in a conspiracy.
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He thinks this ‘deck’ is far stronger than it actually is
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 15, 2024
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SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
The whole best deck of players is debatable also, from the current side only Haji and MVE get into the play off final team.
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Sheaf, Bidwell, Eccles and Collins would all get into the playoff final team as well - three of them did!
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 15, 2024
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Deity said:
Because he was specifically asked a question on it by Turner and as we all know some fans believe its the lack of midfield strength that cost Robins his job.

Not everything in a conspiracy.
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Sounds almost like Robins was telling him what we all were that we needed a midfielder but he thinks he knows better from his response.
New conspiracy
 
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