Match Thread Supporter's Meeting with Doug King Match Thread (4 Viewers)

I will support the team going forward and that includes the new boss whilst wishing it hadn’t ended like this for Robins. I will be forever appreciative of what he did for the club but can see the point of view that he had run his race.
I don’t expect to hear from Robins as I don’t believe it will be in his interests to do so.
If the players have been plotting then shame on them unless the training was detrimental to their careers.
Whatever occurred King must prevail for the club to progress, otherwise we are back to square one.

skybluecam said:

Rubbing your hands at the thought of us doing badly so you can stick it to people on the internet

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Nah not doing badly , it will soften the blow to demolish some posters on here though sure

Evo1883 said:

Also .. if things go massively wrong from here , some of us will have great fun with certain posters

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Struggling to see where the fun part of being relegated would come from tbh

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Struggling to see where the fun part of being relegated would come from tbh

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Yes yes because I said I absolutely want us to do shit so I can have a go at supporters ?


Didn't happen

Evo1883 said:

Yes yes because I said I absolutely want us to do shit so I can have a go at supporters ?


Didn't happen

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Not what I said

JSL said:

My concern is that of where DK will get advice from when appointing a new coach. It seems Dean Austin is much in favour given he accompanied him in the fans forum.Given his less than perfect recruitment track record, can he be sure a good decision can be reached?

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Don’t be dissing the deck now

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Not what I said

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Then I'm not sure what your point was mate tbh

shmmeee said:

I was just making a joke because boomers don’t understand stuff. Beyond that nothing to do with me guv

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See, if I posted that women didn’t understand stuff, or brown people didn’t understand stuff, I would be the subject of much opprobrium. Such ageist generalisations seem to be acceptable, and indeed commonplace, on this forum despite age being as much a protected characteristic as sex or race under the Equality Act 2010.

Also for @Bigelvesy

Old Warwickshire lad said:

Yes he owns us and can do whatever he wants with the income.. But talk about spending his own money,and people think it is from his own sources away from the club.
He may be reinvesting the income generated from transfers and season tickets etc. Good for him,he doesn’t have to.
If all this goes tits up,he walks away without any danger of losing any of his own personal wealth.
Do I trust Doug King? Mmmm the jury is out, is it better than having SISU here? I sincerely hope so.

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There has been external investment

ovduk78 said:

He can ask the performance director, if she's back from her holiday, as well as the other football experts at other clubs

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you spout pish like this even after he clarified she has no on field match performance responsibilties?

Grendel said:

There has been external investment

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Well we will see when the accounts are published.

Old Warwickshire lad said:

Well we will see when the accounts are published.

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The last accounts show a £6m loan made from King to the new ccfc company

Sky Blue Pete said:

Fan base

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There in reality will be little division

MalcSB said:

See, if I posted that women didn’t understand stuff, or brown people didn’t understand stuff, I would be the subject of much opprobrium. Such ageist generalisations seem to be acceptable, and indeed commonplace, on this forum despite age being as much a protected characteristic as sex or race under the Equality Act 2010.

Also for @Bigelvesy

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Yeah that’s fair. I think there’s an argument that boomer has transcended actual age range but you’re right, age discrimination is no better than sex discrimination or anything else. Apologies for the cheap joke.

Grendel said:

There in reality will be little division

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I mean, you only have to look at this thread to see there's division.

And also, to those saying MR got it wrong with the coaching set up so the decision to get rid of him was justified....

What about this xG table where we were 4th/5th? I thought we were due to turn the corner based on that???

Skyblueweeman said:

And also, to those saying MR got it wrong with the coaching set up so the decision to get rid of him was justified....

What about this xG table where we were 4th/5th? I thought we were due to turn the corner based on that???

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The bigger mystery to me I'd if he got it wrong then why are we insisting on keeping it?

clint van damme said:

The bigger mystery to me I'd if he got it wrong then why are we insisting on keeping it?

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He got it wrong by not appointing an elite tactician.

What I deduce from all this is,
Not everything is always as it seems.
Our results WERE trending towards relegation.
Football players have too much power these days.
There is next to no loyalty in the game.

We still have a half decent set of players that with a couple off additions in Jan can compete.
We play in a mostly full stadium IN Coventry and our fans on their day are as good as anyones.
The ground itself, our merchandise, transport offerings have all improved for many.
The future is still Sky Blue !

Skyblueweeman said:

I mean, you only have to look at this thread to see there's division.

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not much of a representation of 25,000 match attendees is it?

clint van damme said:

The bigger mystery to me I'd if he got it wrong then why are we insisting on keeping it?

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We are not keeping the existing coaching set up. That is clear.

We will have a new head coach who will choose his own Assistant. That assistant will be a high quality proven coach and tactician. The very appointment King wanted Robins to make.

Some of the existing coaches will go back to their previous roles, some might exit, some might stay as party -of the new set up.

MalcSB said:

He got it wrong by not appointing an elite tactician.

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King said they couldn't find one!

Deity said:

We are not keeping the existing coaching set up. That is clear.

We will have a new head coach who will choose his own Assistant. That assistant will be a high quality proven coach and tactician. The very appointment King wanted Robins to make.

Some of the existing coaches will go back to their previous roles, some might exit, some might stay as party -of the new set up.

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You're talking personnel not set up.

Taken we a while to wade through this thread but this was my take.

I think there was truth in what Doug was saying, but it certainly wasn't the whole truth and I felt it was carefully edited to paint him in a better light, which I guess is hardly surprising.

The thing about MR and AV falling out at the top seemed a bit 'dead cat strategy' to me, as people would be focusing on that rather than the rest of what he was saying.

I thought there were also inconsistencies in some stuff he said.

For example, he thought the coaching setup implemented by MR was wrong and wasn't working, but has said when sacking Robins a new Head Coach would have to work within the existing set-up. So that suggests he doesn't think the set-up is wrong, just those in it.
That suggests he thinks the current coaches aren't good enough, which is short-sighted given they're still here for the time being and also unprofessional. And if he blames those that have been recruited, why place all the blame on MR when he was not the only person on the recruitment panel. In fact, one of the others, Dr Roberts, came out of it with glowing praise so why are they not accountable?

Also the thing about not finding a suitable AM yet there was a lot of talk about Ramsey being agreed by MR only for Dr Roberts to tell him it wasn't happening (although that has never been confirmed).

As for them having people interviewed but all wanting to be No.1 not No.2? That's just weird. The only way that is even remotely possible is we totally fucked up the advert and everyone thought Head Of Coaching meant Head Coach, but then surely those people would have thought "but Robins is there?" and we'd have had a lot of rumour and talk of MR getting fired because this position was available?

The DoF was also strange. We're looking to appoint the Head Coach and then looking at the DoF. Wouldn't it be the DoF's job to look for the HC? What if we get a DoF and they don't approve of the HC we've just appointed?

I also didn't like the use of the word 'deck' for the squad. Just seemed unprofessional and not a term that would motivate players or impress potential signings.

However, my main take is how would that meeting have looked to outsiders, or potential HC's? Airing all this stuff about AV and MR falling out and how bad the structure and coaches are? For someone who talks about 'elite' that sure as hell makes us look tinpot and unprofessional.

If you're looking to hire an elite HC then you don't let stuff like that leak out as it will put people off. Let alone having it come straight out of the chairman's mouth. If what he's said is true and he has, acceptably, got rid of MR because of it, fine. Of course it will lead to a backlash and you getting criticism, but you take it on the chin so that the club is not hampered finding a successor. If you're in that kind of position then you're supposed to not care about what people think. That's why you get the big bucks to make the decisions.

And that for me is the crux behind the meeting. King was not happy about the criticism he had received and so wanted a way to save face, deflect blame and massage his bruised ego.

Deity said:

We are not keeping the existing coaching set up. That is clear.

We will have a new head coach who will choose his own Assistant. That assistant will be a high quality proven coach and tactician. The very appointment King wanted Robins to make.

Some of the existing coaches will go back to their previous roles, some might exit, some might stay as party -of the new set up.

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We're keeping the set-up, just probably not the personnel.

Like every debate on this forum, the longer the debate goes on the more the views become entrenched.

Whatever your opinion of the situation, I’m not a fan of any of MR’s achievements being belittled or, in my view, the posts which verge on disrespectful now.

Whether he should have gone or not (he shouldn’t), he should always command the respect of the fans.

The longer this all drags on, coupled with DK’s “revelations” on Monday, the more likely MR’s reputation becomes tarnished.

Great_Expectations said:

Like every debate on this forum, the longer the debate goes on the more the views become entrenched.

Whatever your opinion of the situation, I’m not a fan of any of MR’s achievements being belittled or, in my view, the posts which verge on disrespectful now.

Whether he should have gone or not (he shouldn’t), he should always command the respect of the fans.

The longer this all drags on, coupled with DK’s “revelations” on Monday, the more likely MR’s reputation becomes tarnished.

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People shouldn't have created untrue rumours on places like this then, that subsequently spread like wildfire and became fact. It became impossible to ignore, which resulted in where we are now.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:

We're keeping the set-up, just probably not the personnel.

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The personnel are pretty important in any setup
Like Deity said I'm sure they'll all be able to speak with the new bloke and we'll see a mixture of staying on, assigned to a different role and released. I'm sure most of us have our fingers crossed that this is the end of Aled.

TomRad85 said:

The personnel are pretty important in any setup
Like Deity said I'm sure they'll all be able to speak with the new bloke and we'll see a mixture of staying on, assigned to a different role and released. I'm sure most of us have our fingers crossed that this is the end of Aled.

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Gut feel is Boateng and Carr survive, Delaney and Dempster back to U21 and Williams let go.

SBAndy said:

Gut feel is Boateng and Carr survive, Delaney and Dempster back to U21 and Williams let go.

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We need a poll I think

clint van damme said:

The bigger mystery to me I'd if he got it wrong then why are we insisting on keeping it?

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Where has this been said? It’s a myth

MalcSB said:

See, if I posted that women didn’t understand stuff, or brown people didn’t understand stuff, I would be the subject of much opprobrium. Such ageist generalisations seem to be acceptable, and indeed commonplace, on this forum despite age being as much a protected characteristic as sex or race under the Equality Act 2010.

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Grendel said:

not much of a representation of 25,000 match attendees is it?

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When you come back with the thoughts of 25k then we can discuss.