Yeah possible. I think thats because the Chris Ramsey (remembered his name now) has never been confirmed or reported right? Its just “social media rumour” as CWR put it last night.Out of all of it, the assistant manager thing is a bit odd. If what you have said in bold is true, which seems possible, what Doug is saying isn't entirely the truth. If that's right then I don't know why everyone is swallowing everything he has said as if it is absolute fact. He might be justified in many of his decisions, but I suspect he has twisted some things like this ever so slightly to get fans on board.
I think it's fairly obvious to the majority that Mark Robins had been on borrowed time for a good while.The owner said that MR was responsible for getting in an assistant and one never materialized.
Chris Ramsey spoke to MR at Ryton on October 9th. The appointment got vetoed on, or before October 14th. The reason given was that the owner thought the timing wasn’t right.
So MR must have known somewhere in between October 9th - 14th that he has a dead man walking.
To me, it seems that whole truth isn’t being told.
Yet all of the players who actually knew him never have a bad wordIt’s a poor example. He was drunk most of the time was a figurehead for many years with a lot of helpers around him
He wasnt a bad manager , he won 2 full members cups and 2 league cups and lost in another final after taylorYet all of the players who actually knew him never have a bad word
So he won 4 major honours whilst being pissed up .
Not bad
I don’t think he did say/mean that. I think he believes that the wider coaching team are fine as relatively junior coaches.He said they weren’t good enough and then said it sounds a bit critical and apologised
Ah my bad that means you're correctNo he had a huge team around him. I lived there in the 80’s
Great idea.After listening to the forum I have changed my mind about Robins being sacked. I am not happy the way he was sacked though. You can't live in the past, amazing as it was under MR, but football is a results business and there was no guarantee MR would turn it round based on how he turned round in the past. I will always be grateful for the last 7 years with MR. He deserves all the plaudits he has received.
I do believe DK made the right decision. Pity there isn't a new poll after last night's forum.
Not saying he should be spending hours doing media stuff. I was more thinking a thank you message to the fans which is pretty much standard these days.People are living in a fantasy world.
Can you imagine that meeting?
"Hi Mark, you're sacked. Do you mind if we call it mutual in the statement, and do you fancy doing a load of stuff for our media channels to make it look better for the fans?"
Ah my bad that means you're correct
Robins needed a good number 2 to be at his best
That's fair enough nobody is questioning wether he had a drink problem.. he is a hero at forestYou can choose to believe or not but I lived in West Bridgford and one mid afternoon he asleep in my front garden pissed
Not saying he should be spending hours doing media stuff. I was more thinking a thank you message to the fans which is pretty much standard these days.
Do people really think that when other managers are announced as leaving by mutual consent that's really what's happened
You can ofcourse find that post right ?Because I’ve been around a while i remember a Huddersfield fan coming on here when we hired Robins for a second time saying that Robins needed a good number 2 to be at his best and that he wasn’t convinced that Taylor was that man.
Someone with better search skills than me could probably find it but they may have been more right than we have ever known.
He was a fantastic manager,I remember going to watch us play Forest in a cup game at the City ground,we we're in Division one Forest in Division two and left thinking what a great team Clough was building.He wasnt a bad manager , he won 2 full members cups and 2 league cups and lost in another final after taylor
That kind of tallies - given I’m convinced the Luton and Middlesbrough delayed the inevitable.The owner said that MR was responsible for getting in an assistant and one never materialized.
Chris Ramsey spoke to MR at Ryton on October 9th. The appointment got vetoed on, or before October 14th. The reason given was that the owner thought the timing wasn’t right.
So MR must have known somewhere in between October 9th - 14th that he has a dead man walking.
To me, it seems that whole truth isn’t being told.
YeahThat kind of tallies - given I’m convinced the Luton and Middlesbrough delayed the inevitable.
I think Robins was gone if we’d lost to Luton.
You can do that when you have the level of success he hadReality is all succesful clubs have a good team , currently that team isn't good enough .
Alex ferguson was very succesful with Mike phelan , fergie rarely took training but we don't attribute united success to phelan .
So he won 4 major honours whilst being pissed up .
Not bad
Playing devils advocate, Mark Robins may have changed his mind and just told Chris Ramsey it was down to the owner. Chris would still believe what he was told, your information would still be correct except the real reason wasn't provided. That all may be rubbish, but its a possibility we will never knowThe owner said that MR was responsible for getting in an assistant and one never materialized.
Chris Ramsey spoke to MR at Ryton on October 9th. The appointment got vetoed on, or before October 14th. The reason given was that the owner thought the timing wasn’t right.
So MR must have known somewhere in between October 9th - 14th that he has a dead man walking.
To me, it seems that whole truth isn’t being told.
I'm not sure what you don't get tbh. Its a regular occurrence that managers get the push and the statement says mutual consent.I don't get it still. You wanted it to be lied about and you expected robins to go along with it?
I guess the issue then would be "he fucked robins off and made it look like it was robins choice"
Not with my search skills but i guess if you went back to the period he was appointed for the second time you could probably find it.You can ofcourse find that post right ?
I'm not sure what you don't get tbh. Its a regular occurrence that managers get the push and the statement says mutual consent.
If you want to view that as being lied to then fine but I can't really remember too many occasions where an owner has chosen the route King has and gone after the person he's just fired.
Managerial departures: Analysing the art of the club statement
"Immediate effect", "wish him every success" and "by mutual consent" - we look at six recent club statements announcing managerial departures.www.bbc.co.uk
I'm not getting what the point is? That is wasn't dressed up as mutual consent?I'm not sure what you don't get tbh. Its a regular occurrence that managers get the push and the statement says mutual consent.
If you want to view that as being lied to then fine but I can't really remember too many occasions where an owner has chosen the route King has and gone after the person he's just fired.
Managerial departures: Analysing the art of the club statement
"Immediate effect", "wish him every success" and "by mutual consent" - we look at six recent club statements announcing managerial departures.www.bbc.co.uk
Anyway if they weren't going to do something like that then IMO King should front it. Nothing to be gained from turning it into a soap opera and throwing Robins under the bus.
Your anger is worse?Not dissipated my anger that's for sure. If anything its worse!
Am I the only person that has worked for many people who behave exactly like King did last night. Pushing out people they disagree with and blaming everything that's perceived to be wrong on the person who has left while claiming everything they've done themselves is fantastic?
Really surprised me how many people are happy to just accept what King has come out with as 100% fact without any right of reply from Viveash or Robins, both of whom are most likely unable to give any response as part of their exit agreement.
Ultimately for me even if what he is said is the absolute truth he's managed the situation appallingly and that gives me concern for him running the club moving forward.
Its not difficult to arrange an exit for Robins which doesn't throw him under the bus and shit on everything he has achieved, it happens all the time. Could have waiting until after the Sunderland game and had a mutual agreement / gone as far as he can / personal reasons or any manner of other things along with a glowing statement from the club, highlights of what he's achieved, a leaving message from Robins wishing the club well in the future, give Robins his chance to say goodbye to the staff, players and fans etc etc. This was not the way to do it.
Laughable that King claimed he wouldn't speak to anyone before firing Robins out of respect, yet had been waiting to fire him for months, and was quite happy to spend an hour disrespecting him on the radio.
I think that’s true too he called it out as a sackingI'm not getting what the point is? That is wasn't dressed up as mutual consent?
I thought he did front it by saying it was a sacking?
I'm going to leave it otherwise I'll just be repeating myself. Not really sure how people are so confused at the suggestion that when King first announced it we should have done what pretty much every other club does to avoid a shitstorm.I'm not getting what the point is? That is wasn't dressed up as mutual consent?
I thought he did front it by saying it was a sacking?
To be fair when he was here with Steve Taylor he did pretty good. Both the first and second spell.Because I’ve been around a while i remember a Huddersfield fan coming on here when we hired Robins for a second time saying that Robins needed a good number 2 to be at his best and that he wasn’t convinced that Taylor was that man.
Someone with better search skills than me could probably find it but they may have been more right than we have ever known.
I'm going to leave it otherwise I'll just be repeating myself. Not really sure how people are so confused at the suggestion that when King first announced it we should have done what pretty much every other club does to avoid a shitstorm.
Think some people just prefer the drama and soap opera of it all.
It’s not you I think it’s the percentage of the fan base that would have wanted more detail and now they have itI'm going to leave it otherwise I'll just be repeating myself. Not really sure how people are so confused at the suggestion that when King first announced it we should have done what pretty much every other club does to avoid a shitstorm.
Think some people just prefer the drama and soap opera of it all.
I thought he came across ok. I don't know why he'd lie about Robins or anything else. He admitted he'd fucked up with some of the things albeit nothing majorly material.
Most of the questions were just a waste of time and Lorna and Rob should not have been involved as they're fans too emotionally invested.
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