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Match Thread Supporter's Meeting with Doug King Match Thread (3 Viewers)

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Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 11, 2024
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GIMOC said:
so half the team

You could name just one maybe 2 players and Ipswich spent how much last season?
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So let’s take Hutchinson who was a loan out of Ipswich’s team that’s 4

if we got promoted

Wright, sheaf, Eccles, MVE would all feature in a premier league team more often than not.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,507
Hey atleast we've all been jolted .. goodnight all PUSB
 
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GIMOC

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,508
Ccfcisparks said:
So let’s take Hutchinson who was a loan out of Ipswich’s team that’s 4

if we got promoted

Wright, sheaf, Eccles, MVE would all feature in a premier league team more often than not.
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so out of 4 players. 1 was home grown. 1 was signed for peanuts and the other 2 cost 10 mill in total.

so we’ve wasted 30mill on average players?
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,509
torchomatic said:
Think you're special? You ain't!View attachment 39444
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Bullying people again because they don't fit your narrative. Pathetic
 
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Bigelvesy

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,510
clint van damme said:
The problem is if he gets the next appointment wrong he's going to have to sack him and then we'll probably have 3 managers/head coaches on the pay roll and we'll have a squad that's had 3 managers in under 3,seasons and we're back on the merry go round
That's not a Doug King and Coventry problem that's a football problem for 90 percent of the teams in the league but for a long time,we've been in the other 10 percent.
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Yep totally agree, said somewhere on here earlier that ultimately this decision can only be judged in the future when either the new manager has us in the prem or is sacked.

What i will say is, King said he effectively didnt want to gamble on it not turning around and didnt want to risk this squad being squandered, but any new appointment is in itself a huge gamble.
I guess its sport and everything is risky/ a gamble you just have to make a decision and then go with it
 
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AJB1983

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,511
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Well yeah, it’s not his job to sort out the coaching structure, that was MRs. Otherwise, he would be undermining him by interfering i.e. the very thing people were accusing King of in the first place!
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No but there was an interview panel that recruited the coaches - wasn’t solely down to MR, that’s my point.
And he’s essentially saying he got himself the sack - I had no option but to make the decision - and the bit about ‘jolting’ the club was a bit odd.

I think if it was done purely as the initial statement said down to the form and points tally/ performances over prolonged period then it would probably be accepted, just feels like he’s tried to say too much about something else and it’s raised more questions.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,512
Gynnsthetonic said:
Bullying people again because they don't fit your narrative. Pathetic
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What?
 

pusbccfc

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,513
ms639 said:
If you’re the coaches walking into training tomorrow when the owner has basically said you’re all shite, how do you command any level of respect.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Hopefully kicks them into gear...
 
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quinn1971

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,514
Thing I don’t get, robins Loves the club loves the fans and most importantly loves his job, why risk it changing what got us this far, if he couldn’t work with viveash and he wanted viveash gone why not just bring in another assistant and not an army of inexperienced coaches, I get boateng, ex player fans loved,prob won’t get pelters if it went tits up( which it did) massive gamble that cost him his job ? Just seems a very strange choice
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,515
Bigelvesy said:
Yep totally agree, said somewhere on here earlier that ultimately this decision can only be judged in the future when either the new manager has us in the prem or is sacked.

What i will say is, King said he effectively didnt want to gamble on it not turning around and didnt want to risk this squad being squandered, but any new appointment is in itself a huge gamble.
I guess its sport and everything is risky/ a gamble you just have to make a decision and then go with it
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Totally agree, there are no guarantees.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,516
GIMOC said:
so out of 4 players. 1 was home grown. 1 was signed for peanuts and the other 2 cost 10 mill in total.

so we’ve wasted 30mill on average players?
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The ones who we have wasted money on are certainly Kitching.
I’d be interested to see the breakdown of the 30mil figure.

I reckon it’s much nearer £20m.

and you assume we wouldn’t recoup any money by selling the players by saying we’ve wasted £30m
 
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GIMOC

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,517
Ccfcisparks said:
The ones who we have wasted money on are certainly Kitching.
I’d be interested to see the breakdown of the 30mil figure.

I reckon it’s much nearer £20m
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thomas
Dovin
Kitching
Thomas astane
Torp
Mason clark
Simms

that’s over 20 mill there not to mention rudoni and tats
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,518
GIMOC said:
thomas
Dovin
Kitching
Thomas astane
Torp
Mason clark
Simms

that’s over 20 mill there not to mention rudoni and tats
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And if we were to sell them right now how much do you think we would get for them.
 

Frankly_Mr_Shankly

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,519
GIMOC said:
thomas
Dovin
Kitching
Thomas astane
Torp
Mason clark
Simms

that’s over 20 mill there not to mention rudoni and tats
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Hagi Wright £7.7M
 

torchomatic

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,520
Gynnsthetonic said:
Bullying people again because they don't fit your narrative. Pathetic
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I suppose I should be bullying NHS staff instead like you do? Obviously only certain NHS staff, that is. Prick.
 
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quinn1971

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,521
If I’m Doug I’d get viveash and Dennis back in, makes things a lot easier for the new head coach ,
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,522
Frankly_Mr_Shankly said:
Hagi Wright £7.7M
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It’s Haji Wright

And the list GIMOC is making is of our “average players” that couldn’t step up to the prem, which we is why Haji isn’t on it
 

Calista

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,523
Mucca Mad Boys said:
If he’s told the truth, I have no problems with anything he’s said. Especially because of the narrative behind the coaching structure and who was involved in getting rid of AV. The reason it was a curveball because people had this idea that it was all Doug and Dr Roberts.
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I don't tend to read much of the gossipy stuff on here, so I may be wrong but I thought it was claimed a while back that some of the players didn't like AV's methods i.e. he was pushed out by player power? If so, did Robins back his players in that scenario?
 

GIMOC

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,524
Frankly_Mr_Shankly said:
Hagi Wright £7.7M
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mentioned further up. read the thread
 

Frankly_Mr_Shankly

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,525
Ccfcisparks said:
It’s Haji Wright

And the list GIMOC is making is of our “average players” that couldn’t step up to the prem, which we is why Haji isn’t on it
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Oh, thought we was collating a list of the deck that King signed
 

GIMOC

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,526
Calista said:
I don't tend to read much of the gossipy stuff on here, so I may be wrong but I thought it was claimed a while back that some of the players didn't like AV's methods i.e. he was pushed out by player power? If so, did Robins back his players in that scenario?
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which is exactly what happened
 
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Bigelvesy

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,527
AJB1983 said:
No but there was an interview panel that recruited the coaches - wasn’t solely down to MR, that’s my point.
And he’s essentially saying he got himself the sack - I had no option but to make the decision - and the bit about ‘jolting’ the club was a bit odd.

I think if it was done purely as the initial statement said down to the form and points tally/ performances over prolonged period then it would probably be accepted, just feels like he’s tried to say too much about something else and it’s raised more questions.
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I didnt mind the bit about jolting the club you know.

I myself this week have been massively of the “oh Mark would have fixed it and we’d have been fine maybe not the play offs but ok” attitude.

I took what Doug meant by the Jolt was “No, we are absolutely going for promotion, we’re not resting on our laurels and being content with being nearly boys or there or there abouts”

I think he’s comfortable with us not getting promoted if we miss out in the play offs, i dont think he’s content with missing out on the play offs.

I kind of admire it, its kind of refreshing to hear it coming out of the club from the very top, we’re here to compete not make up numbers.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,528
GIMOC said:
thomas
Dovin
Kitching
Thomas astane
Torp
Mason clark
Simms

that’s over 20 mill there not to mention rudoni and tats
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My view but out of them, could see Dovin, Thomas and Simms making the step up. All have a lot of work to do but think the talent is there.

But will say not everyone can play in the prem there are 220 players who start each game. Just because they wouldn’t make it to the prem doesn’t mean they can’t help us make it to the prem
 
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GIMOC

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,529
Sky Blue Goblin said:
My view but out of them, could see Dovin, Thomas and Simms making the step up. All have a lot of work to do but think the talent is there.

But will say not everyone can play in the prem there are 220 players who start each game. Just because they wouldn’t make it to the prem doesn’t mean they can’t help us make it to the prem
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dovin? based on what?

simms again based on what?

Thomas again, he gets slated most weeks on here
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,530
Sky Blue Goblin said:
My view but out of them, could see Dovin, Thomas and Simms making the step up. All have a lot of work to do but think the talent is there.

But will say not everyone can play in the prem there are 220 players who start each game. Just because they wouldn’t make it to the prem doesn’t mean they can’t help us make it to the prem
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I mean GIMOC is saying because these are average players and can’t step up we’ve wasted £30m.
If we planned to sell the entire list we would recoup some value and atleast £10-15m I would assume, so hardly wasting the full amount
 

larry_david

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,531
Sky Blue Goblin said:
My view but out of them, could see Dovin, Thomas and Simms making the step up. All have a lot of work to do but think the talent is there.

But will say not everyone can play in the prem there are 220 players who start each game. Just because they wouldn’t make it to the prem doesn’t mean they can’t help us make it to the prem
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We were shitting ourselves Simms was off to Bournemouth or whoever it was
on deadline day.

He's more than capable at this level and he's gonna have to now prove it if Wright is out for a while
 
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Pusb1

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,532
Ccfcisparks said:
So let’s take Hutchinson who was a loan out of Ipswich’s team that’s 4

if we got promoted

Wright, sheaf, Eccles, MVE would all feature in a premier league team more often than not.
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just came here to laugh that you thought Eccles is a PL standard player
 

GIMOC

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,533
Ccfcisparks said:
I mean GIMOC is saying because these are average players and can’t step up we’ve wasted £30m.
If we planned to sell the entire list we would recoup some value and atleast £10-15m I would assume, so hardly wasting the full amount
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you really think we would make profit on the current crop?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,534
GIMOC said:
you really think we would make profit on the current crop?
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Where have I said profit? I’m on about resale value if we sold them at a loss.

that list you put, what do you think we would sell them for if we sold them in January
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,535
Pusb1 said:
just came here to laugh that you thought Eccles is a PL standard player
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Not saying I think he is, but if we went up there’s no doubt he would be in the squad
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,536
GIMOC said:
dovin? based on what?

simms again based on what?

Thomas again, he gets slated most weeks on here
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Dovin based on his age and his reputation. Why it hasn’t happened here no one has started great but from what I’ve seen from Sweden the potential is there he just needs to work on his communication and be braver in his six yard.

Simms based on his Sunderland loan, his last year from us and silly enough, the fact he has played and scored in the premiership already at a younger age.

Thomas will say again last year and the time he has to grow.

None of these players are complete but I feel from watching them that the pieces are there
 
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torchomatic

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,537
larry_david said:
We were shitting ourselves Simms was off to Bournemouth or whoever it was
on deadline day.

He's more than capable at this level and he's gonna have to now prove it if Wright is out for a while
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Simms is easily good enough. He's the embodiment of a confidence player. Once he nets a few he'll be fine. I really like him.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,538
torchomatic said:
Simms is easily good enough. He's the embodiment of a confidence player. Once he nets a few he'll be fine. I really like him.
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Not to mention he’s already played and scored in the premiership
 
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larry_david

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  • Nov 11, 2024
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torchomatic said:
Simms is easily good enough. He's the embodiment of a confidence player. Once he nets a few he'll be fine. I really like him.
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Agreed.
 
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AJB1983

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,540
Bigelvesy said:
I didnt mind the bit about jolting the club you know.

I myself this week have been massively of the “oh Mark would have fixed it and we’d have been fine maybe not the play offs but ok” attitude.

I took what Doug meant by the Jolt was “No, we are absolutely going for promotion, we’re not resting on our laurels and being content with being nearly boys or there or there abouts”

I think he’s comfortable with us not getting promoted if we miss out in the play offs, i dont think he’s content with missing out on the play offs.

I kind of admire it, its kind of refreshing to hear it coming out of the club from the very top, we’re here to compete not make up numbers.
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Mmm. The nearly men tag is actually one I have used in the past since Man Utd.

Got to get ‘it’ done. Thing is MR had done that with us.

So maybe it’s a bit harsh given how we didn’t get over the line the last two times, but I get you.
 
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