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Match Thread Supporter's Meeting with Doug King Match Thread (7 Viewers)

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skybluecam

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  • Nov 11, 2024
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Does anyone know if we can access a full version to listen again?
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,437
I can much more get behind a new broom with all new staff TBH
 
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Nick

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,438
skyblu3sk said:
Why on earth would the Owner be involved in organising the coaches? I'd say that out of all things was definitely not his fault.
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Probably like Claire Roberts picking the team and tactics.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,439
Rodders1 said:
Which would be a good thing for the club no?
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it’s not that easy though

he got lucky

please tell me out of this current squad would make it in the prem?

we’ve spent 40 mill, how many of this ‘deck’ would make the jump to the prem?
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,440
GIMOC said:
Wouldn’t travel on the same coach. They do it one after the other
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The players and staff do travel on the same coach.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,441
Sky Blue Pete said:
Bombshell threw everything out
The lady who asked the first question after that was great and he didn’t answer as was the lad of here after

It wasn’t very fair of him to throw mr under the bus but I can’t believe how many in the room and on here were like oh well robins is the past and king is the future so thanks but we move on
I don’t really like him he’s arrogant and answers as if he knows everything when he clearly can’t know everything

That said he fronted up and didn’t do bad - he didn’t really answer the question of why

It seemed to be because his coaches aren’t good enough and results are going to get us relegated which doesn’t quite work
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If he’s told the truth, I have no problems with anything he’s said. Especially because of the narrative behind the coaching structure and who was involved in getting rid of AV. The reason it was a curveball because people had this idea that it was all Doug and Dr Roberts.

You can forgive our form being what it is if you believe the manager has the team around him to turn things around. From what DK said, he lost faith in Robins as he believed the ‘tried and tested’ formula was MR and AV, which is something the fan base as a whole believed in too. The difference being they didn’t think it was Robins sacking his long time associate.

There are two things I’m sceptical of:
1) was MR blocked from hiring Ramsey
2) did King/hierarchy jettison the Matty James deal

I don’t trust King’s narrative 100% but it dispelled a few toxic narratives that started to brew on this forum and the fan base as a whole. I personally felt that he handled the occasion well and did a good job of cooking the temperature of the situation.
 

Nick

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,442
skybluecam said:
Does anyone know if we can access a full version to listen again?
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It will be on the cwr site I think
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,443
clint van damme said:
Nor sure why someone who confessed to not knowing anything about football would be booked over Robins?

Keep saying it but someone's been in his ear
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Better than him making such a determination on his own?
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,444
Captain Sheaf?
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,445
Perennial Lurker said:
My bad , hiring ?
Did he say he has a say in who gets hired ?
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He will have a say in manager (head coach) hiring but beyond contract and negotiation of pay I wouldn't expect him to be involved in coach hiring.
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,446
AJB1983 said:
But I do think that the AV ‘revelation’ was a diversion tactic that worked.
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Text book whataboutery!

Interviewer: Why did you sack Robins?
DK: Why did Robins sack Vivesh?
I: I don't know - why did Robins sack Vivesh?
DK: I shall proceed to not tell you in a lot of words.

I quite admire it.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,447
skybluecam said:
Does anyone know if we can access a full version to listen again?
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It’s on the BBC Sounds app.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,448
GIMOC said:
it’s not that easy though

he got lucky

please tell me out of this current squad would make it in the prem?

we’ve spent 40 mill, how many of this ‘deck’ would make the jump to the prem?
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Based on current performances, not many but that’s the point. These players need the coaches to develop them into Prem players. If the MR regime wasn’t doing that, it’s a problem. AV had an elite coaching pedigree and who’s replaced that vacuum?
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,449
Nick said:
Probably like Claire Roberts picking the team and tactics.
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The hate for her is frankly bizarre it's like everyone is looking for a scapegoat beyond the obvious.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,450
Skyblueweeman said:
The players and staff do travel on the same coach.
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that’s what I meant tbf

as you will see further up
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,451
fernandopartridge said:
Better than him making such a determination on his own?
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Depends on who the earbender is! Be nice to know.
 
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Rodders1

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,452
GIMOC said:
it’s not that easy though

he got lucky

please tell me out of this current squad would make it in the prem?

we’ve spent 40 mill, how many of this ‘deck’ would make the jump to the prem?
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Not sure. At least he’s reinvested the receipts from Vik and Hamer rather than bank it all. What’s your point? He’s trying to grow the value of the squad - a good thing!
 

False9

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,453
Winny the Bish said:
Agree with this. That whole part was very confusing. Sounded like they interviewed good candidates but MR essentially never put a CV in front of him and said “I want this one”.

But at the same time, some of them also didn’t want to be Number 2s?

Bizarre.
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Was he trying to say the role Robins wanted to recruit was effectively head coach thus making him redundant.

It does feel like a lot of strange diversionary revelations amongst some truth.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,454
The watchmaker said:
Text book whataboutery!

Interviewer: Why did you sack Robins?
DK: Why did Robins sack Vivesh?
I: I don't know - why did Robins sack Vivesh?
DK: I shall proceed to not tell you in a lot of word.

I quite admire it.
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That's not how it went. Unless you turned off
 
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Mild-Mannered Janitor

Kindest Bloke on CCFC / Maker of CCFC Dreams
  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,455
GIMOC said:
do you really think the reason they fell out was because of a newspaper article?
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Definitely not, not a single person has even read that article, I’ve a pop up for Tesco, then a pop up for Aldi, another for something else and that’s just one line into the article, rinse and repeat the amount of pop up ads, no one has ever read that unless you are over 60 and still have it physically delivered to you.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,456
skyblu3sk said:
The hate for her is frankly bizarre it's like everyone is looking for a scapegoat beyond the obvious.
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Agreed ,and the stubbornness to accept her role is even weirder
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,457
ccfc1234 said:
Got a feeling Robins lawyers will now be asking for a bit more in his settlement agreement
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I'm not sure I get this take either, he hasn't said anything beyond Robins and Adi's relationship fell down that's his right to say. He probably wouldn't have without the backlash but such is life.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,458
Rodders1 said:
Not sure. At least he’s reinvested the receipts from Vik and Hamer rather than bank it all. What’s your point? He’s trying to grow the value of the squad - a good thing!
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The same squad who are up for a fire sale if we go down?
 

Hiraeth

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,459
Sky Blue Pete said:
...It seemed to be because his coaches aren’t good enough and results are going to get us relegated which doesn’t quite work
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He is the owner and it is ultimately his prerogative but looking in from the outside I personally disagree with that decision.

The coaching structure is questioned from 30/09/24 when we have 5 points from 7 games, that structure stays the same and on the surface the results improve to gain 10 points from the next 7 before Mark Robins is sacked.

If we continue to gain 10 points every 7 games we end up on around 60 points don't we which is usually around 14th?

I'm not suggesting there haven't been problems and everything is perfect and rosy but is that relegation form or is it simply that ending one season in the Championship in say 14th which has now become unacceptable after finishes in the Championship of 16th, 12th, 5th and 9th.

I personally feel Robins earned more leeway than that just as I felt Sillett had before the clamour at that time for us to bring in a younger manager.

Ultimately I think King's decision can only be judged in the end on whether we end up doing better than 14th or not and how that position stacks up against our end of season position in the previous 4 years.
 
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Winny the Bish

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,460
ms639 said:
He stated that the standard of coaching wasn’t good enough, I was in the room and could see that he thought he’d fucked up with the way he answered that question and then backtracked.

Really wouldn’t surprise me to see a few of them out the door in the next couple of weeks.


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It’s been suggested that Dempster and Delaney could go back to their old jobs, no? Or was that ITK guesswork?
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,461
Nick said:
That's not how it went. Unless you turned off
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It's not word for word, no... it wasn't supposed to be.

And tbh it went the same regardless of whether or not I turned off.
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,462
Perennial Lurker said:
Agreed ,and the stubbornness to accept her role is even weirder
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Absolutely I'd expect most clubs of our size would have her role people seem more annoyed that the role has been taken by a woman which lets be honest says more about them.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,463
GIMOC said:
it’s not that easy though

he got lucky

please tell me out of this current squad would make it in the prem?

we’ve spent 40 mill, how many of this ‘deck’ would make the jump to the prem?
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Only a few players who step up with promoted teams make it in the prem. Look at Gus - he came back down, and no PL club went in for him. Brereton Diaz barely plays for a sh*t Southampton etc etc
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,464
Mucca Mad Boys said:
If he’s told the truth, I have no problems with anything he’s said. Especially because of the narrative behind the coaching structure and who was involved in getting rid of AV. The reason it was a curveball because people had this idea that it was all Doug and Dr Roberts.

You can forgive our form being what it is if you believe the manager has the team around him to turn things around. From what DK said, he lost faith in Robins as he believed the ‘tried and tested’ formula was MR and AV, which is something the fan base as a whole believed in too. The difference being they didn’t think it was Robins sacking his long time associate.

There are two things I’m sceptical of:
1) was MR blocked from hiring Ramsey
2) did King/hierarchy jettison the Matty James deal

I don’t trust King’s narrative 100% but it dispelled a few toxic narratives that started to brew on this forum and the fan base as a whole. I personally felt that he handled the occasion well and did a good job of cooking the temperature of the situation.
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He did a great job of telling us how fantastic a manager Mark Robins had been and that he didn't really have much option but to throw him under a bus, for the benefit of the club.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,465
GIMOC said:
it’s not that easy though

he got lucky

please tell me out of this current squad would make it in the prem?

we’ve spent 40 mill, how many of this ‘deck’ would make the jump to the prem?
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Not about this squad making it to the prem though as it is this squad getting into the top six.

As is the way doubt many of them would play if we went up.
 
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Rodders1

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,466
Perennial Lurker said:
The same squad who are up for a fire sale if we go down?
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Ultimately this is your point. Ie MR needs to stay. DK felt we were at risk by keeping him. Afraid it’s his call - we both have to hope he’s right!
 

GIMOC

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,467
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Only a few players who step up with promoted teams make it in the prem. Look at Gus - he came back down, and no PL club went in for him. Brereton Diaz barely plays for a shot Southampton etc etc
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hamer made it in the prem. he was one of their only good players

So again, how many of our players will make it in the prem?

Spending 40 mill you should hope a few could/would
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,468
GIMOC said:
the coaching staff are worried many expect to be gone soon
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Good. Costly but the standard from a outsider view point looks poor and would rather a new head coach works with his team and not handy downs from the last manager
 
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Bigelvesy

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,469
I think tonight really showed that there is an awful lot that goes on behind the scenes of a football club that usually never sees the light of day.

My takeaways from tonight:

Doug King backed “the team” of Mark and Ady, and was basically acting as marriage councillor when they fell out for whatever reason, seemingly beginning after the Wolves game?. Ultimately didnt work in keeping them together and so backed the manager.

Robins was the main proponent of the flat coaching structure which appears behind the scenes has not gone down well with players and isnt the elite structure that DK wants in place, but he went along with it initially

Robins was effectively told to sort it out and recruit a head coach to work underneath him but above the other coaches (i think this is the bit that needs the most clarity) but couldnt or didnt put anyone infront of king (i suspect here that Marks stubbornness meant he didnt want anyone)

I think the Chris Ramsey thing came too little too late, maybe Robins grew nervous after the poor start and then tried to 180 but by then the conversations or thoughts about sacking him had started and so they werent going to commit at that point to a new person into the coaching set up.

If Robins & Viveash were still together and on good terms and poor start happened, they wouldnt have been sacked because Doug trusted them both

But Robins and new coaches on their own werent trusted to turn it around.

The singular visions and expectations of this season was to clearly start strong and really have a go of it. They believe its the strongest squad we’ve ever had and that Robins and this coaching set up were at risk of squandering it.

On the face of it, its possible to see how all of that is true.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Nov 11, 2024
  • #1,470
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Not about this squad making it to the prem though as it is this squad getting into the top six.

As is the way doubt many of them would play if we went up.
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again

we’ve spent 40mill and you can’t name one player who could make it in the prem

speaks volumes
 
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