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Ian1779

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #246
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Wow a minute your post shouldn't have been included I was answering the other post. Also where have I supported Wasps?
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If you were not talking to me... I was not talking to you
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #247
Ian1779 said:
If you were not talking to me... I was not talking to you
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Can we talk again?
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #248
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Can we talk again?
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On a serious note... I thought you were suggesting I had missed the point... but you weren't talking directly to me, so apologies as my post wasn't therefore aimed at you.

In reference to my point - I don't think that Wasps and SISU are measured using the same standards. If they were then it might be more apparent how similar they in fact are.
 
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Buster

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #249
covmark said:
Lol Dann and Fox going. So we never sold anyone before that??
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Are you pretending to not understand my point ,or do you not see it
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #250
Buster said:
Same here Italia , I thought they would bring long term security and consistency going forward . Christ , that went out of the window with Dann and Fox going .Shame could have been so different
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How could you have expected a hedge fund to provide long term security. They never hid their original plan which was to try and gain promotion before selling the club on; they had also been turned down by numerous other clubs.

Sisu were also the council's favoured bid I believe?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #251
chiefdave said:
It was the tipping point really. It's where Ranson's plan fell apart. I suspect SISU gave Ranson X amount. He budgeted on a larger crowd. When the money ran out SISU wouldn't hand over more so he had to start selling.

Wasn't it at that point he initially tried to leave? Knew his plan was screwed. Once he started selling there was no way we were getting into the PL to be sold off at a huge profit for SISU.
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I think he stated that we need 24,000 just to break even. Historically over the previous 20 years, how often did we achieve that figure? Again, it goes to show another problem with his business plan.

Also his choice of managers left a lot to be desired as well; who knows how different things could have been had we gone for Niger Pearson rather than Coleman?

Despite his multiple claims that we were 'debt free' as well, he still seems to be held in high regard amongst soke supporters.

I'm sure that Sisu wish they'd never got involved with him and a football club.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #252
Sick Boy said:
How could you have expected a hedge fund to provide long term security. They never hid their original plan which was to try and gain promotion before selling the club on; they had also been turned down by numerous other clubs.

Sisu were also the council's favoured bid I believe?
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Of course they were... they weren't at that time prepared to challenge the deal in place, which effectively saw the council robbing the club blind.

On reflection, is it any wonder that no one ever got close to taking over the club before SISU when they saw how shitty the stadium situation was?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #253
Ian1779 said:
Of course they were... they weren't at that time prepared to challenge the deal in place, which effectively saw the council robbing the club blind.

On reflection, is it any wonder that no one ever got close to taking over the club before SISU when they saw how shitty the stadium situation was?
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Indeed. Imagine seeing property costs of £1.2m + additional matchday costs and a built in escalator to increase it on promotion. In return they got none of the income generated from their presence.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #254
fernandopartridge said:
Indeed. Imagine seeing property costs of £1.2m + additional matchday costs and a built in escalator to increase it on promotion. In return they got none of the income generated from their presence.
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You do know that the £1.2M would be the rent in the PL as well don't you ?
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #255
Ian1779 said:
On a serious note... I thought you were suggesting I had missed the point... but you weren't talking directly to me, so apologies as my post wasn't therefore aimed at you.

In reference to my point - I don't think that Wasps and SISU are measured using the same standards. If they were then it might be more apparent how similar they in fact are.
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The point I was trying to make was yes the crowds were lower when Robbins was manager than they are now not would be even higher if we had not been to Sixfields.
On your other point yes they are similar the difference is that Wasps saw an opportunity and took it. I've been against this deal from the start both as a fan and a council tax payer. The people who will ultimately lose will be the citizens of Coventry if Sisu win however in the medium term the fans could benefit because I feel Sisu will take the money and sell to Wasps. If they do then the question will be was this planned?
Whatever happens there will be people who will be delighted Sisu win/lose CCC win/lose etc etc. I just wish we could turn the clock back to have gone into admin before Sisu arrived took the hit and be out of this nightmare.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #256
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
I just wish we could turn the clock back to have gone into admin before Sisu arrived took the hit and be out of this nightmare.
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Have a like for this bit.

Alas, that didn't suit the players at the time...
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #257
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
The point I was trying to make was yes the crowds were lower when Robbins was manager than they are now but would be even higher if we had not been to Sixfields.
On your other point yes they are similar the difference is that Wasps saw an opportunity and took it. I've been against this deal from the start both as a fan and a council tax payer. The people who will ultimately lose will be the citizens of Coventry if Sisu win however in the medium term the fans could benefit because I feel Sisu will take the money and sell to Wasps. If they do then the question will be was this planned?
Whatever happens there will be people who will be delighted Sisu win/lose CCC win/lose etc etc. I just wish we could turn the clock back to have gone into admin before Sisu arrived took the hit and be out of this nightmare.
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italiahorse

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #258
Deleted member 5849 said:
Have a like for this bit.

Alas, that didn't suit the players at the time...
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Admin sounded horrendous especially with points deduction.
Sisu were sold as our saviours and most of us bought into it.
Knowing what we know now, after the CCFC financial course, admin and no Sisu would be not scary anymore.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #259
italiahorse said:
Admin sounded horrendous especially with points deduction.
Sisu were sold as our saviours and most of us bought into it.
Knowing what we know now, after the CCFC financial course, admin and no Sisu would be not scary anymore.
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Don't include me in that 'us'.
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #260
chiefdave said:
It was the tipping point really. It's where Ranson's plan fell apart. I suspect SISU gave Ranson X amount. He budgeted on a larger crowd. When the money ran out SISU wouldn't hand over more so he had to start selling.

Wasn't it at that point he initially tried to leave? Knew his plan was screwed. Once he started selling there was no way we were getting into the PL to be sold off at a huge profit for SISU.
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No the tipping point was that they were sold against Ransons wishes and he realised eventually that he had the rug pulled from beneath his feet regarding running the football aspect of the club.

Funny now tha sisu have given a footballing person the chance to run the club and we are on the up!

That said Ransons backing of coleman was a mistake
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #261
cloughie said:
That said Ransons backing of coleman was a mistake
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Given Ranson's dealings with Cardiff (and Leeds to a lesser extent) he'd shown himself cut from the same cloth as SISU.

A match made in hell.
 

King of the Lesbians

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #262
italiahorse said:
Sisu were sold as our saviours and most of us bought into it.
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That's just bollocks...
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #263
Deleted member 5849 said:
Given Ranson's dealings with Cardiff (and Leeds to a lesser extent) he'd shown himself cut from the same cloth as SISU.

A match made in hell.
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I do believe he wanted to be recognised has a successful football man but he his self interest ( Arthur Daly) opportunity of making personal profit got the better of him ,. We will never know if those deals were before or after sisu interferred
 

James Smith

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #264
italiahorse said:
Admin sounded horrendous especially with points deduction.
Sisu were sold as our saviours and most of us bought into it.
Knowing what we know now, after the CCFC financial course, admin and no Sisu would be not scary anymore.
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I had no idea what administration would have entailed at the time (I was worried we would that we would have no club) and was therefore very pleased that we avoided it. As I also thought that Sisu would buy the share back asap and reunite us with the stadium I wasn't that bothered that a hedge fund had bought us.

As I've said before I was wrong and should have been bothered.
 
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italiahorse

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #265
Deleted member 5849 said:
Don't include me in that 'us'.
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Well next time speak louder
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #266
King of the Lesbians said:
That's just bollocks...
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No it's not most people did at the time
 

italiahorse

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #267
King of the Lesbians said:
That's just bollocks...
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I can't remember back exactly but it was on CWR minute by minute countdown and when it was announced that Sisu had saved us it was as if the world had been saved.

Can't remember many dissenters but I don't think I was on Sky-blue talk at the time so I had yet to meet the people who knew everything.
 
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King of the Lesbians

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #268
italiahorse said:
I can't remember back exactly but it was on CWR minute by minute countdown and when it was announced that Sisu had saved us it was as if the world had been saved.

Can't remember many dissenters but I don't think I was on Sky-blue talk at the time so I had yet to meet the people who knew everything.
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Don't think I was reading this site at the time but the phrase I kept hearing most was "asset stripping hedge fund" but maybe I was listening to the minority.
Wasn't meant as a pop…I'll read the threads...
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #269
torchomatic said:
Here we go, just a little reminder. :claping hands:

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/17192-Right-a-call-to-action!
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Anyone else shit themselves when an old thread comes back and you worry that you've said something twat-ish?!


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #270
italiahorse said:
I can't remember back exactly but it was on CWR minute by minute countdown and when it was announced that Sisu had saved us it was as if the world had been saved.
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Well the backing as preferred bidder by CCC and such luminaries as Lucas and Mutton, may have helped promote the ownership of SISU.

Just shows they can continually make the wrong choice
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #271
Skyblueweeman said:
Anyone else shit themselves when an old thread comes back and you worry that you've said something twat-ish?!


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?
....just say something twatish everyday...QED
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #272
Moff said:
Well the backing as preferred bidder by CCC and such luminaries as Lucas and Mutton, may have helped promote the ownership of SISU.

Just shows they can continually make the wrong choice
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Not up to speed on this, but was there a choice ?
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #273
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Well I am trying to distance myself from my neo anarchist past
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Well I am not.
I am proud of the things I have done.
To be honest I would be gutted if I was on the other side
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #274
Skyblueweeman said:
Anyone else shit themselves when an old thread comes back and you worry that you've said something twat-ish?!


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Grendel said:
Sorry dongonzalos but your posts are becoming longer and more deranged by the day. Earlier you said I was "taken in" by the liquidation talks. Actually I am not but you are mentioning this all the time.
So now they are building lots of hotels. Well no the council will always hold a golden share and this will never happen. Sisu will also I doubt buy the half share off Higgs trust but will get a much better deal on the rent. They should as this is overblown and needs coming down. Also wake up old chum theres no other game in town. It's far from ideal but it is what it is.
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Here is a good one..
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #275
Jack Griffin said:
Here is a good one..
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He he he
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #276
letsallsingtogether said:
Well I am not.
I am proud of the things I have done.
To be honest I would be gutted if I was on the other side
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Shut up you twat Im trying to get some likes ffs

Oh forget it:blue:

Feel much better now
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #277
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Shut up you twat Im trying to get some likes ffs

Oh forget it:blue:

Feel much better now
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Ha bigger WUM then me
 

Calista

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #278
Skyblueweeman said:
Anyone else shit themselves when an old thread comes back and you worry that you've said something twat-ish?!


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Yeah, it’s a dangerous place. Any poorly-considered remark can be retrieved by some terrifying process years later and thrown back in your face.

And there are teams of people who see it as their spare-time duty to keep a count of which threads you read. The exact assessment criteria haven’t been published, but to prove you like football it’s important to log in on a Saturday to chuck a quick “Yessssss” onto the site when we score. “Get in” is even better if you can overcome your inhibitions.

Don’t waste chances by looking at a thread as a guest, and being a “hypocrite” is a definite own goal.

I’m pretty sure that in about 2012 Torch described Ann Lucas as “every man’s dream”. I’ll find that quote if it kills me …
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #279
Norman Lockhart said:
Yeah, it’s a dangerous place. Any poorly-considered remark can be retrieved by some terrifying process years later and thrown back in your face.

And there are teams of people who see it as their spare-time duty to keep a count of which threads you read. The exact assessment criteria haven’t been published, but to prove you like football it’s important to log in on a Saturday to chuck a quick “Yessssss” onto the site when we score. “Get in” is even better if you can overcome your inhibitions.

Don’t waste chances by looking at a thread as a guest, and being a “hypocrite” is a definite own goal.

I’m pretty sure that in about 2012 Torch described Ann Lucas as “every man’s dream”. I’ll find that quote if it kills me …
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He meant wet dream
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 3, 2015
  • #280
Norman Lockhart said:
Yeah, it’s a dangerous place. Any poorly-considered remark can be retrieved by some terrifying process years later and thrown back in your face.
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...unless it's GMK, where a sizeable proportion of this board will be breathing sighs of relief their previous comments can't be used against them.

Until the archives are dug up
 
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