Of course not, but that's not the point. Teams do it, not just us. Doncaster did it last year.
The hysterical on here but banging on for weeks to get Robins out, now they are willing to let the new guy be potentially worse than the manager we already had. It's madness. Why would you settle for less? Why would you lower your expectations? Surely, we all want to finish as high in the table as we can? If that means getting rid of the current guy for a newer model, so be it, but the new guy has to deliver or it's been a pointless exercise.
Pete can you also ask Doug if his expectations of the new manager have been lowered after reading the forum?
If we finished anywhere near 17th the new guy should get the boot, yes.
Top half minimum, should be top 10.
All a bit of fun though isn't it.My expectations for the future of humanity have been lowered after reading this forum.
I mean, SISU never had £45m invested in the team and in the Championship, our budget was solidly bottom 3 until King took over. If it was your money on the line, you'd probably be a bit about tetchy about us being 17th after 15 games.
9th! WE FINISHED 9th! Where the fuck has the audacity come from to claim that isnt a turn around?!"Yeah but Mark always turns it around"
Didn't last year really but the excuse was "Fa cup run"
Is that true, or did circumstances allow for us to improve over the course of a season?
If we look solely at our season(s) since back in the Championship.
20/21 - We started playing a lot better when Matty James came into the team.
21/22 - Actually played worse 2nd half of the season, compared to the 1st half.
22/23 - Momentum + having arguably two of the best players in the division (Vik and Gus), as well as a solid squad all round.
23/24 - Results improved after COH returned to the team, ironically results worsened when he dropped out.
Whilst I've no doubt Mark Robins did offer some elements that allowed our teams to get better in the second halves of the season, it's not as if this happens every season and there are also other contributing factors.
Difference being this year is there is no COH, no Vik, no Hamer and we aren't building any momentum.
Hiring a “name”
That's about where we'd finish if we averaged playoff level ppg for the rest of the season.Even after a "third of the season" has gone? Fair enough.
Unless Robins was lying on the press releases, he was also actively involved in the recruitment process for all the coaches we hired. There's no reason to believe it was forced on him - why would he allow it?On another point - 3 seasons in a row now we've had an absolutely honking start to the season.
22/23 we thought it was the pitch
23/24 we thought it was the squad rebuild
24/25 what's the excuse? The coaching structure conspiracy?
I think that has probably played a big a part as anything else in the sacking. Even if we recovered to a top 10 finish under Robins this season, what's the guarantee the exact same thing wouldn't happen next season?
9th! WE FINISHED 9th! Where the fuck has the audacity come from to claim that isnt a turn around?!
Is all of your anti robins rhetoric because your expectations of this club have been blown way way out of proportion?
We are play off challengers, absolutely nothing more. 9th is a respectable position for that.
We have had a sizeable number say they expect a playoff finish as the bare minimum from a new appointment. Only expecting automatics form for the rest of the season otherwise they’ll call for him to be sacked too.There’s only three certainties in life;
Death, taxes and knowing it’s going to be a bloodbath on SBT whether the new manager succeeds, fails or anywhere in between.
If you're being ruthless then 9th isn't good enough is it9th! WE FINISHED 9th! Where the fuck has the audacity come from to claim that isnt a turn around?!
Is all of your anti robins rhetoric because your expectations of this club have been blown way way out of proportion?
We are play off challengers, absolutely nothing more. 9th is a respectable position for that.
it’s not bullshit is it, the ones wanting him out were a very loud, ‘stamp our little feet’ style minority. Even a look on here should tell you that.
There’s only three certainties in life;
Death, taxes and knowing it’s going to be a bloodbath on SBT whether the new manager succeeds, fails or anywhere in between.
Yes, to try and completely ignore the bad start is bullshit.
ah here we go, not only does the new guy have much lower expectations on him, actually Robins wasn’t that good anyway when you dig into it
Teams can just do it, but there is usually factor behind it, the reason I referenced Hamer and Gus is because that season there was two key factors behind us going on a run, but that's not guaranteed to happen.
The new manager, if it is Lampard will be tasked with the playoffs and that suits me just fine.
I don't think the coaches brought in were replacements.
Lawrence for example was a specialist defensive coach.
It appears that work is now been carried out by a goal keeping coach with a less than sparkling reputation.
I would love to get the answer to your question regarding the new coaching structure. And as I keep saying repeatedly, if it was introduced by Robins why are we insisting the new man sticks with it.
9th! WE FINISHED 9th! Where the fuck has the audacity come from to claim that isnt a turn around?!
Is all of your anti robins rhetoric because your expectations of this club have been blown way way out of proportion?
We are play off challengers, absolutely nothing more. 9th is a respectable position for that.
Lower expectations? As I've said above, I want the new HC to target the playoffs.
If we continue on our current form we are to be relegated. Fewer than 50 points. But we are a decent run away from the play-offs at the moment.We have had a sizeable number say they expect a playoff finish as the bare minimum from a new appointment. Only expecting automatics form for the rest of the season otherwise they’ll call for him to be sacked too.
This Robins decision has properly messed people’s heads.
Oh right, I might start being shit at my job on Monday and Tuesday but then when I am "respectable" by Friday it's acceptable.
Top 10 will still probably need playoff form for the rest of the season without slip ups. Is that a realistic minimum expectation?well.. for me the aim has to be playoffs, top 10 is ok. Anything outside of that and my view is that there was no point. Apart from to deal with the kind of obvious personal stuff that was going on behind the scenes.
I don't think you'll find many fans who will agree with me, but I'm fine with that.Well in that case we have different views on whether he should have been sacked, but I can respect your reasoning and I also respect your assessment of what the new HC should be looking to achieve. Fair enough
Defence was Lawrence's speciality rather than being a specialist coach for defending, that's a slight difference. There wasn't enough coaches to stick to limited areas. You're quite right to point out that it's strange to see a GK coach working on defensive coaching. Again, if Robins hired these people, he's accountable here.
On the last point, it's pretty normal for a new manager to keep the existing coaching staff. It's usually the #2 and manager that come as a pair. Which, the likelihood seems to be that Lampard will be coming with his assistant, Jody Morris should we hire him. So the structure isn't being kept per se. Given that we nearly hired a #2 for Robins, it indicates that MR himself acknowledged the structure wasn't working. To me, suggests the coaching structure was signed off by Robins - unless he lied about his involvement in the hiring process.
Who owns CCFC and all its debts? It's King. He's invested one way or the other if he's loaning the club money to sustain itself - the loans aren't guaranteed.The money spent on the team wasn't King's personal wealth though. He's said that himself.
Not sure it makes that much of a difference but I think it's worth clarifying.
Top 10 will still probably need playoff form for the rest of the season without slip ups. Is that a realistic minimum expectation?
The question really is what sort of PPG can a new manager get compared to Robins over the remaining fixtures.If we continue on our current form we are to be relegated. Fewer than 50 points. But we are a decent run away from the play-offs at the moment.
I don't think you'll find many fans who will agree with me, but I'm fine with that.
Im not being ruthless, im being realistic.If you're being ruthless then 9th isn't good enough is it
It’s what I expected before the Stoke game, true.Yes. It’s what we rightly would have expected from Robins, and we are apparently moving forward now, so yes.
The amount of time you spend on here id imagine you are alreadyOh right, I might start being shit at my job on Monday and Tuesday but then when I am "respectable" by Friday it's acceptable. It's alright though, I always turn it around.
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