Well, it is if you have a team stacked with world class players or at least much better players than the opposition (when tactics shouldn’t matter anyway).Pep has said its not as effective any more and Man City need to change.
It's fine, in terms of trying to control a game, but you do need couple of players who will take players on and commit defenders, plus the obvious goalscorer to ensure the possession is capitalised upon. First half v Sunderland, I said really early on that we weren't looking like scoring. At the moment it only looks like coming via Rudoni getting a head on a Saka type cross. Let's hope FL pulls a masterstroke on Tuesday.It’s a way of playing that’s going out of fashion. Hanging onto possession for possession’s sake, not doing anything with it then getting countered.
I agree, I wasn't unhappy with our performance. As Lampard said on another day we win that comfortably. Same again Tuesday but just more urgency
Theres not, theres just people not being doom mongerers.Think there’s a lot of coping and hoping in this thread.
Possession was never Possession for Possessions sake.It's fine, in terms of trying to control a game, but you do need couple of players who will take players on and commit defenders, plus the obvious goalscorer to ensure the possession is capitalised upon. First half v Sunderland, I said really early on that we weren't looking like scoring. At the moment it only looks like coming via Rudoni getting a head on a Saka type cross. Let's hope FL pulls a masterstroke on Tuesday.
Not sure they will though as if they just sit back and we start to dominate the ball the stadium is gonna get twitchy.exactly, only worry is it’s worked out perfect for them, can just do the same again, we need to go up a gear, just get at them from the start, always going to be the chance they’ll catch us on the break again but we’ve got to be brave and risk it,
Well, it is if you have a team stacked with world class players or at least much better players than the opposition (when tactics shouldn’t matter anyway).
The way Nottingham Forest have played this season is close to a refutation of the setup. Allowing the opposition the ball then swarming all over them when possession is turned over. Already happened to us a lot this season.
they‘d be mad to play any different, they prob won’t sit as deep as Friday but it’s even how they play anyway, just pick you off with the pace up front, we had to go there with a lead and make them play a different way, still confident we’ll do itNot sure they will though as if they just sit back and we start to dominate the ball the stadium is gonna get twitchy.
Possession was never Possession for Possessions sake.
Possession is about moving the ball about to create space and to create overloads. Even Barcelona who everyone raved about after having watching just 2 of their games will when faced with a low block in La Liga will pass the ball about from side to side etc. Their average possession is still 68.9% in La Liga. With the players we have we can't "get it launched" so we have to try and create space via movement and pulling players out of position.
I am not sure why people are mentioning Man City as we have never played Pep style football where the possession is used as defensive tactic as the other team can't score without the ball so if you keep the ball and you have good enough players that they will eventually score.
We are going to need possession on Tuesday as they aren't going to give us any space behind them so we will need to create it.
Wright did score an absolute bullet header versus Oxford at home. Wonder where that version of him is.I think their keepers decent but flaps a bit at crosses. If only Simms and Wright could head a ball like Rudoni
It hasn't worked against teams that are very different to Sunderland.I mentioned Man City because Pep is seen as the guru of possesion football and even he is talking of a different approach, not because I think we are a Man City clone.
But dominating possesion away from home isn't working.
So they will play differently then, they won't sit as deep as you said which gives us more spacethey‘d be mad to play any different, they prob won’t sit as deep as Friday but it’s even how they play anyway, just pick you off with the pace up front, we had to go there with a lead and make them play a different way, still confident we’ll do it
It’s hard when a team puts 8 players behind the ball but I’d like to see us take more ranged shots because it can force defences to presses potential shooters and or a parried save causes chaos in the box.
I do watch the games but wonder if you read my entire initial post or my clarification to Mucca later as well.I swear our Texan friend doesn't actually watch the games.
If we go and do that we’re going up, IMO.We 100% win. 3-0 or 3-1. They will play the game of their lives. Get ready for the ride
This isn’t a standard away league fixture though is it - it’s a game where we absolutely need to win so the examples you’ve listed aren’t really the same.I've got too many scars from travelling to Derby, Sheffield United, Hull, Plymouth and Luton in the past 8 weeks to have any real confidence for this.
Our away form is turgid and we are really easy to play against as the away side.
It hasn't worked against teams that are very different to Sunderland.
Liverpool have the best playstyle , press hard attack fast .Pep has said its not as effective any more and Man City need to change.
I've got too many scars from travelling to Derby, Sheffield United, Hull, Plymouth and Luton in the past 8 weeks to have any real confidence for this.
Our away form is turgid and we are really easy to play against as the away side.
Me and the lad went to all those too, but so what?
If we couldn't do it then we wouldn't bother would we?
To paraphrase JFK, we don't follow Coventry City all over the country because it's easy, we follow them all over the country because it's hard.
Man up!
If you can’t cope with the challenge, or even hope to make up a one-goal deficit in 90 minutes, then you may as well call Sunderland now and tell them we’ll forfeit, save everyone the journey.Think there’s a lot of coping and hoping in this thread.
they‘ll have a bit more of the ball so they’ll have to come out a bit, when they do we have to move the ball quicker, we just slow it down and let them get back, love to see simms and wright up front at some point give them an extra body to think about, marked Asante out the game, think maybe even da silva to come back in and start EMC on the left, TBH haven’t got a clue how this plays outSo they will play differently then, they won't sit as deep as you said which gives us more space
Me and the lad went to all those too, but so what?
If we couldn't do it then we wouldn't bother would we?
To paraphrase JFK, we don't follow Coventry City all over the country because it's easy, we follow them all over the country because it's hard.
Man up!
I’d go with that, we just seem to play Away the same as we do at home and hope it works, it hasn’t and I can’t see us changing it now, we Need ALL our big players Tuesday, especially wrightThe problem we have is that for the last couple of months, apart from Wright's hat-trick vs Sunderland, the forwards have contributed virtually nothing in terms of goals. The vast majority of our goals have come from midfielders (Rudoni, Torp, Grimes, Patterson) or Bobby Thomas.
You could ask 10 people if we should play 442 or 433, and who should start, and you'll get numerous different combinations, none of the forwards are playing well enough to be a cast iron pick.
Given that FL unquestionably prefers 433, i'd still say Wright is the best finisher we have so would play down the middle, despite his absolute shitness the last few games, and if EMC is fit to start i'd put him on the left.
I'd personally be tempted to go 442 though, with Rudoni and Sakamoto wide, Grimes and Sheaf holding. If that were the case I would bring Simms back in alongside Wright. I don't expect FL to suddeny change formation though, he's almost certainly going to stick to 433.
But they needed to acknowledge that was because they needed to score and he had space. That was never going to happen in the first leg of a play off game.I assume because BTA looked better than Simms when he came on.
Irony is that a certain CoH would be perfect for that situation. Only other one who could do it IMO is Torp, who can also shoot from range, but is out.Just watched Southampton v Man City and they employed the low block and Man City couldn't crack it so what chance we got? We need someone to carry the ball into the box and they will get fouled.
I understand why Lamps went for BTA. Speed, movement and into the channels but we need to understand our strategy. Do we want more balls pumped into the box in the air from the wings (seeing as we score from headers) or more in the channels inside and narrow. That would help decide on BTA or SimmsBut they needed to acknowledge that was because they needed to score and he had space. That was never going to happen in the first leg of a play off game.
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