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skybluecam

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,816
BlueSkiesForever said:
Maybe but we very nearly signed Stamenic who’s obviously now at a prem team, I think that’s exactly the sort of player we should be after, doesn’t cost the earth, already plays at a good level but also has a lot of potential. These players are definitely out there, it’s just whether our scouts can find them and whether another team beats us to the punch or not.
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Did we though?

Stamenic seems like an obvious bait and switch to me. Go through the motions with us, make some noise about it and angle for a better move. Then a prem club comes in and he gets the move he really wanted.
 

skybluecam

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,817
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
It's an ffp scam

Nottingham Forest buy a Villa youngster for £4 million and Aston Villa will buy a Nottigham Forest youngster for £4 million.

Both clubs can counts the sale as £4 million 'profit' immediately but the £4 million they spent can be spread over the duration of the contract.

So on the accounting books it will count as £4 million revenue for each club but only £1 million spent (if a 4 year contract), leaving both clubs as +£3 million for ffp purposes
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The way that ffp incentivises the sale of homegrown players is ridiculous and disgusting.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,818
CovLad94 said:
Got Sheffield United written all over it
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Probably already said. But United are hamstrung by their pending takeover. They can talk transfers all they like but until they sell someone or get the takeover completed, they're throwing shit at a fan.
Saddlebrains said:
If we do bring Worrall in, you'd expect ons of Latibeaudiere, Thomas or Kitching to leave surely?

Thomas is clearly the better player with a higher ceiling, amd we spent 4 million quid on Kitch so I'd suggest Lats
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Lati is the most versatile player. Can cover RB, CB and holding DM. And we are building a squad. Versatility in squad players is one of the most desired attributes.

I'd also point out that we just bought Binks. Can't imagine we'd spend a big amount on Worrall and wages when we have 4 perfectly adequate CBs already. Why do I anticipate a big fee ? Forest are up PSR river without a paddle. They need to get rid of players urgently to get themselves under the allowable limit before 1st July (new PSR period). They're not going to sell for pence as that won't impact them enough.

The PSR deadline is also why Sheffield being linked in the story is so hilarious. That takeover isn't likely to happen in the next week, from fans comments.

Nixon has been the only source for this. Every other story is just copying his words.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,819
skybluecam said:
Did we though?

Stamenic seems like an obvious bait and switch to me. Go through the motions with us, make some noise about it and angle for a better move. Then a prem club comes in and he gets the move he really wanted.
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I have a better theory.

Cov approach Red Star. Fee agreed. Red Star tell player. Player says no, I want EPL.

The story was only released from one source in Serbia. And it's snowballed since then.

And that's what attracted Forest.


Apart from our initial contact with him, I bet Cov haven't even spoken to the player.
 

Balli001

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,820
Happy_Martian said:
I have a better theory.

Cov approach Red Star. Fee agreed. Red Star tell player. Player says no, I want EPL.

The story was only released from one source in Serbia. And it's snowballed since then.

And that's what attracted Forest.


Apart from our initial contact with him, I bet Cov haven't even spoken to the player.
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According to Saddle he met the management, went to Ryton and the CBS and had pretty much done everything but sign
 
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BlueSkiesForever

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,821
skybluecam said:
Did we though?

Stamenic seems like an obvious bait and switch to me. Go through the motions with us, make some noise about it and angle for a better move. Then a prem club comes in and he gets the move he really wanted.
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I obviously don’t personally know but from what Saddle says it sounds like he nearly signed for us and it was just the late wage-increased offer from Forest that did it for us.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,822
Balli001 said:
According to Saddle he met the management, went to Ryton and the CBS and had pretty much done everything but sign
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Why would he fly out here, sit and chat for a while then say, sorry I'm looking for EPL ? He would have known our league position before he got on the plane.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,823
Happy_Martian said:
Why would he fly out here, sit and chat for a while then say, sorry I'm looking for EPL ? He would have known our league position before he got on the plane.
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Because he would have been willing to join if nothing else turned up. But if it did he would change his mind.
 

junglej13

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,824
Still can't believe more questions aren't being asked about this golf trip Robins is on. He's only just back from another holiday apparently. Probably missed out on Stamenic because Robins was on a stag do in Benidorm or was inter-railing across Europe.
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,825
junglej13 said:
Still can't believe more questions aren't being asked about this golf trip Robins is on. He's only just back from another holiday apparently. Probably missed out on Stamenic because Robins was on a stag do in Benidorm or was inter-railing across Europe.
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Nah he’s golfing with de gea
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,826
Stamenic scenario is fairly straightforward I would assume. A) we offer him something. B) Forest offer him more. C) He goes to Forest.
 
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Offhegoes

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,827
I am sure Robins & The Scouting Team are very aware of player's using clubs to attract more interest. Would of happened before numerous times. They will have a few targets lined up for the CM signing I am sure.
 

JSL

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,828
What's the general consensus. Are we likely another signing or two in the next couple of days? Preseason starts next Monday and MR stated he wanted the new bodies in for it
 

Samo

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,829
JSL said:
What's the general consensus. Are we likely another signing or two in the next couple of days? Preseason starts next Monday and MR stated he wanted the new bodies in for it
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He also stated that he didn't think he'd get that.
 

mmttww

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,830
JSL said:
... MR stated he wanted the new bodies in for it
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and he's got them. Four new players in already. We'll have a proper squad at the start of pre-season for the first time since I can remember! Feels nice and settled.
 
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JSL

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,831
It will be interesting to see who replaces Liam Kelly as club captain. I assume its likely to be Sheaf unless an announcement is delayed which may indicate either movement of Sheaf or a ready made personality coming in.

Also still lacking a number one goalkeeper if we are definitely trying to get one. A GK is integral to a settled squad
 

fatso

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,832
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Nah he’s golfing with de gea
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Shouldn't he use a set of clubs?
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,833
JSL said:
It will be interesting to see who replaces Liam Kelly as club captain. I assume its likely to be Sheaf unless an announcement is delayed which may indicate either movement of Sheaf or a ready made personality coming in.

Also still lacking a number one goalkeeper if we are definitely trying to get one. A GK is integral to a settled squad
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It will be Sheaf
 
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Samo

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,834
fatso said:
Shouldn't he use a set of clubs?
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No, he's a one club man.
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,835
skybluecam said:
The way that ffp incentivises the sale of homegrown players is ridiculous and disgusting.
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A new Government regulator needs to close this loophole, it's the same at Watford, swapping players between clubs owned by the same person.
I thought that had been outlawed years ago??
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,836
Happy_Martian said:
Why would he fly out here, sit and chat for a while then say, sorry I'm looking for EPL ? He would have known our league position before he got on the plane.
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We don't want sneaky fuckers at this Club. only nice, honest and polite players, please.
 
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TinPotTaylor

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,837
Saddlebrains said:
It will be Sheaf
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not de gea?
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,838
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Because he would have been willing to join if nothing else turned up. But if it did he would change his mind.
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Sounds like we're so invested in this happening that we're willing to believe anything to justify it going wrong.

He was never coming to Cov. Simple fact.
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,839
robbiethemole said:
A new Government regulator needs to close this loophole, it's the same at Watford, swapping players between clubs owned by the same person.
I thought that had been outlawed years ago??
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I doubt if the regulator if appointed , would have the power to do that.
 

Calista

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,840
robbiethemole said:
We don't want sneaky fuckers at this Club. only nice, honest and polite players, please.
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And Kitching
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,841
Skyblue Bangkok said:
I doubt if the regulator if appointed , would have the power to do that.
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No just Sqeaky one's!! Oh bugger wrong quote!
 
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Deity

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,842
Happy_Martian said:
Sounds like we're so invested in this happening that we're willing to believe anything to justify it going wrong.

He was never coming to Cov. Simple fact.
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Interesting definition of fact.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,843
Deity said:
Interesting definition of fact.
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Deity disagrees with me again. As expected as the day ending in Y

Beats all the excuses being rolled out to justify his apparent change of heart.

Did you personally see him talking to anyone at our club as you haven't mentioned if you did ?

No. You, like everyone else including myself, are all going on hearsay and assumption.
 

Calista

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,844

Why Premier League’s 'swap weekend' could be another PSR loophole​


Have Chelsea, Villa, Everton and Newcastle found a PSR loophole?

With several Premier League clubs trading home-grown academy players between themselves, is this another PSR loophole?
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Deity

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,845
Happy_Martian said:
Deity disagrees with me again. As expected as the day ending in Y

Beats all the excuses being rolled out to justify his apparent change of heart.

Did you personally see him talking to anyone at our club as you haven't mentioned if you did ?

No. You, like everyone else including myself, are all going on hearsay and assumption.
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Which is why my view on this is not a fact. It’s an opinion.
 
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SonofErnie

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,846
Calista said:

Why Premier League’s 'swap weekend' could be another PSR loophole​


Have Chelsea, Villa, Everton and Newcastle found a PSR loophole?

With several Premier League clubs trading home-grown academy players between themselves, is this another PSR loophole?
www.bbc.co.uk
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So they steal young players from EFL clubs at a knock down value rigged by EPL clubs, then sell them on at inflated value in collusion with each other? What a racket and close to being fraudulent.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,847
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
It's an ffp scam

Nottingham Forest buy a Villa youngster for £4 million and Aston Villa will buy a Nottigham Forest youngster for £4 million.

Both clubs can counts the sale as £4 million 'profit' immediately but the £4 million they spent can be spread over the duration of the contract.

So on the accounting books it will count as £4 million revenue for each club but only £1 million spent (if a 4 year contract), leaving both clubs as +£3 million for ffp purposes
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Plus... It could be conceivable that Olypiacos paid Forest a loan fee in excess of what they bought Stamenic for, thus actually making a short term profit on actually buying a player!!!
 

BlueSkiesForever

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,848
It’s only Monday and I’m bored already @Saddlebrains you got anything from the grapevine?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,849
Deity said:
Which is why my view on this is not a fact. It’s an opinion.
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I am normally first to challenge when people say that things are facts when they are an opinion! However, this one could actually be a fact although I would have thought only Stamenic would know!
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jun 24, 2024
  • #3,850
Deleted member 9744 said:
I am normally first to challenge when people say that things are facts when they are an opinion! However, this one could actually be a fact although I would have thought only Stamenic would know!
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Don't worry. Deity and I rarely see eye to eye on topics. He may not see the joke but I find it hilarious.

Stamenic and his agent probably had an idea of their final destination after interest was reported. But my argument all along has been that the only source we've had was from Serbia which was then perpetuated across several media outlets. And the question stands, why talk to us if his intended destination was the EPL ?

Mind you, IIRC, someone on here said Robins and Viveash were spotted at the Leicester Hilton last week. Maybe they were there to see Marko as he was on his way to Forest
 
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