bigfatronssba
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Not really, they didn't have freedom of the press in the USSR.
Sure the editors of Pravda saw it exactly your way.
Look at it from another perspective though, and if not true it's not handy for claims to be repeated is it, furthers the thought there's no smoke without fire and all that and, on a human level, if you've done nowt wrong, you don't want to read claims that you have!
In the real world, it's not worth the bad press to go after repetitions like this really, you'd think. After all, if I claim Simon Gilbert teabags Kevin Maton daily before they have a lunchtime jog around the Swanswell, it's a daft claim from a daft pseudonym. But... if he doesn't do that, it's not helpful if you and everyone else repeats it, so a claim becomes FACT.
The sad thing in all this, regardless of who's right, is the club's affairs have had an impact, on whatever level, on ordinary peoples' lives and jobs and that, to me, is a crying shame.
Not really, they didn't have freedom of the press in the USSR.
After all, if I claim Simon Gilbert teabags Kevin Maton daily before they have a lunchtime jog around the Swanswell, it's a daft claim from a daft pseudonym. But... if he doesn't do that, it's not helpful if you and everyone else repeats it, so a claim becomes FACT.
Simon Gilbert teabags Kevin Maton daily??
That's explosive!
Look at it from another perspective though, and if not true it's not handy for claims to be repeated is it, furthers the thought there's no smoke without fire and all that and, on a human level, if you've done nowt wrong, you don't want to read claims that you have!
Well you were there...
Wouldn't you have to extend that across the board? What about people who are accused of rape or other sexual offences and then found to be completely innocent after weeks or months of the accusations being all over the papers.
If they do you must be on the list too for republishing it on an open forum.
How does it go again? Something along the lines of if we sue this journalist for saying something we don't like we'll have to sue you as well. I'd find a good lawyer if I was you.
Didn't allow journalists the freedom to print anything criticising their political leaders?
See what you mean, nothing like this at all.
Les Reid, Anne Lucas, John Mutton, Joy Sepalla, Tim Fisher, Martin Reeves, Orange Ken and the Hoff should appear on Jeremy Kyle.
I'm not sure why Reid gets so much stick on here. The only reason I can think of is that he asks uncomfortable questions of the council. If he was exposing stuff about sisu then he would probably still retain his hero status. I still don't quite understand the affiliation that some posters have with CCC. I wonder if they even have a set of songs in support of them?
I cant stand the man. I have seen first hand ways in which its been suggested innocent people have done something wrong with a sensationalist headline (which the article then bares no resemblance to the headline).
I cant stand the man. I have seen first hand ways in which its been suggested innocent people have done something wrong with a sensationalist headline (which the article then bares no resemblance to the headline).
I'm not clear here, were you behind SISU when they took this line against the Sky Blue Trust with regard to linking to the Conn article critical of our owners?
It's just I'm not sure here whether you're standing up for free speech, or only standing up for the free speech that you agree with.
So in this instance, who hasn't allowed it?
If you're going to chuck this sort of stuff about, then let's have some examples please.
Of course, even if Reid had written something once that you didn't agree with, it doesn't mean that what he's said about the ACL/CCC/CET saga is a lie.
I'll also make the point (fwiw) that at some newspapers sub-editors write the headlines, not the journalists involved. That's still a common practice at the Guardian for instance, and has been known to cause issues there when the headline doesn't actually do justice to the tone of the piece below.
According to Reid, it would seem that the Coventry City Council and the editor of the CET prevented him from reporting the intention of Coventry City Council to bail-out ACL to the sum of £14.4m. If you're happy with that, then fair enough, but personally I'd see that as entirely unacceptable.
I've edited my post for you with the addition of some winking smiling faces. I hope this clear's things up for you.
Is it not illegal to be paid to mislead and leave certain things it if it is true?
While it may not be true, not very honest is it? I thought people loved their morals and ethics.
Its ok, keeping an eye on it anywayIt certainly helps, yes. To me your initial post read an awful lot like, "Nick you ought to be worried about this thread and reporting what Reid has said". Of course, if you disagreed with what Reid has said, then sowing that seed of doubt would have been a handy tool to stifle debate about it on here.
It's good to know that wasn't your intention, because that would be a pretty crappy thing to do, imho.
It certainly helps, yes. To me your initial post read an awful lot like, "Nick you ought to be worried about this thread and reporting what Reid has said". Of course, if you disagreed with what Reid has said, then sowing that seed of doubt would have been a handy tool to stifle debate about it on here.
It's good to know that wasn't your intention, because that would be a pretty crappy thing to do, imho.
Whereas even if these allegations are true, neither CCC nor CET have actually done anything unlawful.
Could it not be seen as blackmail or bribery?No and No.
The editor of CET is perfectly entitled prevent him from reporting it, he was his boss. Bosses tell their employees not to do things all the time.
This is exactly the type of thing I'm on about. The mind game tactics that some journalists use. Half the forum is now up in arms thinking that CCC and the CET have done something illegal. Whereas even if these allegations are true, neither CCC nor CET have actually done anything unlawful.
Could it not be seen as blackmail or bribery?
Ah I read did a deal and probably thought the wrong thing to be fair as in money deal, could have come to the wrong conclusion about that.That would be for the editor of the CET to come out and say. If, as alleged, the editor of the CET was happy to not print a certain story then how can that be blackmail or bribery?
Actually, it is unlawful if it's cost a bloke his job for it.
And if that's the standard you want from your press and your council, then we differ hugely, because I expect the council to tell the truth, and the local press to hold them to proper scrutiny.
If you're willing to accept less then that's your choice, but I'd say it's a pretty daft one because we've seen some pretty big porkies from the council recently - maybe one day they'll make a poor, unchecked decision that effects you directly and you'll be a bit less happy that no one is paying proper attention to them.
Actually, it is unlawful if it's cost a bloke his job for it.
And if that's the standard you want from your press and your council, then we differ hugely, because I expect the council to tell the truth, and the local press to hold them to proper scrutiny.
If you're willing to accept less then that's your choice, but I'd say it's a pretty daft one because we've seen some pretty big porkies from the council recently - maybe one day they'll make a poor, unchecked decision that effects you directly and you'll be a bit less happy that no one is paying proper attention to them.
He resigned though didn't he after all charges or whatever they were, were dropped? Surely can't have done that much wrong, else he would be fired?I'm just talking about the law mate. I don't know what Les Reid lost his job for, but if he disobeyed his superiors instructions then that would be a sackable offence in most organisations.
To be honest even without the winking smiling faces I don't know how you would have come to that conclusion. By any chance do you wear a hat fashioned from tin foil to stop the aliens reading your mind?
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