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Strong Claims about CCC/CET (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Jan 15, 2015
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Nick

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  • Jan 15, 2015
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1/3 Re my last tweet/story. @covtelegraph 2013 removed &chopped down my story as it didn't want to challenge Lucas claim ACL "v profitable"

2/3 @covtelegraph editor also did deal with @coventrycc chief Martin Reeves to suppress £14m Ricoh bailout story in Jan '13 until deal done


3/3 2 examples of public interest journalism suppressed. Shame Cov Tel didn't want all sides properly challenged on #ccfc/Ricoh.More to come
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Nonleagueherewecome

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #2
Is that from Les Reid by any chance?
 

hill83

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  • Jan 15, 2015
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #4
Yep, although isn't that the kind of stuff that lands you in court if incorrect?
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #5
Nick said:
Yep, although isn't that the kind of stuff that lands you in court if incorrect?
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I dunno, but he certainly has axes to grind on the subjects. What makes me laugh is that you can read anything written by that man and instantly identify who the author is within seconds, he's so blatantly biased.
 

Jackoskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #6
whyyyyyyyy always us ?? Everyday more controversy more lies

Football seems to be priority #523 for everyone involved in this club and the local area
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #7
I don't know how it all works, is that sort of stuff even allowed?

"I will pay you £xx if you don't publish this"
 
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Skybluechick

New Member
  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #8
i guess he has the evidence to back it up as cov telegraph wud of sued him if not! i imagine itll all come out one day
 
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SimonGilbert

Telegraph Tea Boy
  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #9
Seems like an appropriate time to to share this again: http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/coven...uggestions-paper-has-been-gagged-and-censored
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #10
Skybluechick said:
i guess he has the evidence to back it up as cov telegraph wud of sued him if not! i imagine itll all come out one day
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You would think so wouldn't you, that's why I put strong claims as that is the kind of stuff you get in trouble for.
 

Bennets Afro

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #11
just seen this from the observer http://www.coventryobserver.co.uk/2...s-mislead-voters-in-Ricoh-dispute-124739.html


Edit: I didn't see this posted in the other thread
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #12
So it's not true then, Simon?

SimonGilbert said:
Seems like an
appropriate time to to share this again: http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/coven...uggestions-paper-has-been-gagged-and-censored
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Nick

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  • Jan 15, 2015
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SimonGilbert said:
Seems like an appropriate time to to share this again: http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/coven...uggestions-paper-has-been-gagged-and-censored
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I know you aren't the editor or the council boss, but did it happen if you are allowed to say?
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #14
Nick said:
You would think so wouldn't you, that's why I put strong claims as that is the kind of stuff you get in trouble for.
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He also told us that things would come out at the JR that didn't exist. Or was that just RFC? I get the two confused, they are pretty similar...
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 15, 2015
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Nonleagueherewecome said:
He also told us that things would come out at the JR that didn't exist. Or was that just RFC? I get the two confused, they are pretty similar...
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I can confirm they aren't the same person!
 
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SimonGilbert

Telegraph Tea Boy
  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #16
Nick said:
I know you aren't the editor or the council boss, but did it happen if you are allowed to say?
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No "deal" to my knowledge since I've been at the Telegraph. And not before according to fellow NUJ members who have been with the paper longer. Hence the statement.

Personally, and professionally, I always think evidence adds weight to any claims of wrongdoing. It certainly helps to have some if you're ever pulled up for libel.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 15, 2015
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SimonGilbert said:
Not to my knowledge since I've been at the Telegraph. And not before according to fellow NUJ members who have been with the paper longer. Hence the statement.

Personally, and professionally, I always think evidence adds weight to any claims of wrongdoing. It certainly helps to have some if you're ever pulled up for libel.
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Do you think the telegraph / CCC will be taking action against that sort of claim? You know them better than most.
 
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SimonGilbert

Telegraph Tea Boy
  • Jan 15, 2015
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Nick said:
Do you think the telegraph / CCC will be taking action against that sort of claim? You know them better than most.
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Way above my pay grade.

I don't really think it's good form to add anything other than what's in the statement.

But I will always defend the integrity of the newspaper I work for and any challenges to my professionalism. I know many feel the same. Hence the statement.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #19
Nick said:
Do you think the telegraph / CCC will be taking action against that sort of claim? You know them better than most.
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If they do you must be on the list too for republishing it on an open forum.

How does it go again? Something along the lines of if we sue this journalist for saying something we don't like we'll have to sue you as well. I'd find a good lawyer if I was you.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 15, 2015
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skybluetony176 said:
If they do you must be on the list too for republishing it on an open forum.

How does it go again? Something along the lines of if we sue this journalist for saying something we don't like we'll have to sue you as well. I'd find a good lawyer if I was you.
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Why do you think I am asking So I can hover near the delete button if needed.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #21
Finally, I've all evidence in writing from company to support my claims tweeted today. More to come. Any1 who claims otherwise, be v careful
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Nonleagueherewecome

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #22
Anyone see the Elton John stuff on BBC4 last night? "The Bitch Is Back"!
 
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SimonGilbert

Telegraph Tea Boy
  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #23
Nick said:
Why do you think I am asking So I can hover near the delete button if needed.
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Strictly speaking, repeating defamatory claims is libel. That includes retweets or copying and pasting on to a forum.

The burden of proof is also on the accuser, not the victim.

Just for guidance of course!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 15, 2015
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SimonGilbert said:
Strictly speaking, repeating defamatory claims is libel. That includes retweets or copying and pasting on to a forum.

The burden of proof is also on the accuser, not the victim.

Just for guidance of course!
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I know, that's why I am watching this closely hovering over the delete button or expecting a PM / email about it.
 
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RFC

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #25
Patiently waiting for the 'Sting in the Tail'!
 

skybluebeduff

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #26
RFC said:
Patiently waiting for the 'Sting in the Tail'!
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #27
RFC said:
Patiently waiting for the 'Sting in the Tail'!
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Another smoking gun. You must be so excited after the last disappointment?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #28
Nick said:
Les Reid said:
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Finally, I've all evidence in writing from company to support my claims tweeted today. More to come. Any1 who claims otherwise, be v careful


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Do wish it'd all just come out and be done with, mind!
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #29
Presumably the Telegraph is free to print whatever it wishes?

I was under the impression that we have press freedom in the UK and the Telegraph is under no obligation to print Reid's ranting's.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Jan 15, 2015
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bigfatronssba said:
Presumably the Telegraph is free to print whatever it wishes?

I was under the impression that we have press freedom in the UK and the Telegraph is under no obligation to print Reid's ranting's.
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Some strange ideas on freedom of the press there.

If, as said, stories questioning CCC were suppressed by the Telegraph for CCC, then would be the direct opposite of press freedom I'd have thought.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jan 15, 2015
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lordsummerisle said:
Some strange ideas on freedom of the press there.

If, as said, stories questioning CCC were suppressed by the Telegraph for CCC, then would be the direct opposite of press freedom I'd have thought.
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What? So press freedom means a newspaper has to print everything?

To me freedom means you have the choice to do something or not do something. If that is strange to you then I don't really know what to say.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #32
SimonGilbert said:
Strictly speaking, repeating defamatory claims is libel. That includes retweets or copying and pasting on to a forum.

The burden of proof is also on the accuser, not the victim.
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Is there not a way to report things like this, can't you just say Fred is claiming this and then quote something. That's not saying you think it's true is it, or does posting / reporting it in any form leave you open to problems?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 15, 2015
  • #33
It's hard to know what to believe these days, we all thought Fisher was bonkers when he kept banging on about ACL being in trouble, turns out he was right!

Whatever you think of Reid he's clearly not an idiot and given his line of work you'd expect him to know the sort of trouble he can get it throwing around false accusations. You have to think he has some kind of evidence to back up his claims, if that evidence would stand up to scrutiny or be open to interpretation is of course another matter. Can't imagine that if its all false Trinity Mirror won't be taking some sort of action.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Jan 15, 2015
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bigfatronssba said:
What? So press freedom means a newspaper has to print everything?

To me freedom means you have the choice to do something or not do something. If that is strange to you then I don't really know what to say.
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Sure the editors of Pravda saw it exactly your way.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 15, 2015
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chiefdave said:
Is there not a way to report things like this, can't you just say Fred is claiming this and then quote something. That's not saying you think it's true is it, or does posting / reporting it in any form leave you open to problems?
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Look at it from another perspective though, and if not true it's not handy for claims to be repeated is it, furthers the thought there's no smoke without fire and all that and, on a human level, if you've done nowt wrong, you don't want to read claims that you have!

In the real world, it's not worth the bad press to go after repetitions like this really, you'd think. After all, if I claim Simon Gilbert teabags Kevin Maton daily before they have a lunchtime jog around the Swanswell, it's a daft claim from a daft pseudonym. But... if he doesn't do that, it's not helpful if you and everyone else repeats it, so a claim becomes FACT.

The sad thing in all this, regardless of who's right, is the club's affairs have had an impact, on whatever level, on ordinary peoples' lives and jobs and that, to me, is a crying shame.
 
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