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Skyblue54

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  • Saturday at 10:11 PM
  • #106
Good point..but would be brutal to ostracise him like that!..not sure it's all his fault..sure he is trying!..the system doesn't suit his style?..we've seen there is a player in there!..think he is a Complex character..not sure what answer is?..
 
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Bigelvesy

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  • Saturday at 10:13 PM
  • #107
Speedie's Head said:
Gyokeres wouldn't have scored today. It isn't the strikers it's the tedious buildup play, it invites the opposition to get everyone behind the ball and gives them time to do it!
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Can think of atleast three chances today that Gyokeres would have scored. Particularly one from
Wright from outside the box that he hit with his left foot. It was fucking pathetic and put way wide
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Saturday at 10:45 PM
  • #108
stupot07 said:
Matters not as Frank doesn't rate or trust him. Plus he scored 6 league goals in 43 appearances. And he doesn't dominate in the air anywhere as much as he should for his size and certainly not as much as someone like Kieffer Moore does.
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It’s one game and we play with one striker so if you have 3, you can’t play all of them without changing formation.

Either way, the fundamental weakness in our team is that we use the wide channels a lot, but there’s no where enough goal production there.

What did EMC and Sakamoto do today? Not a lot.
 
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Chris1987

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  • Saturday at 11:13 PM
  • #109
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
The only way we're going to move Simms on is buy letting him go for free, no Club Is Gonna pay any money out for that donkey. Not one of Mark Robins finest moments.
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Rubbish.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Saturday at 11:26 PM
  • #110
Ccfcisparks said:
He has the capability if we get Maidstone in the cup again
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I mean if you want to drill down on his FA cup contribution he got 2 against Wolves and 1 against Man Utd.
 

RoysterE17

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  • Saturday at 11:35 PM
  • #111
I thought with simms goal in the pre season he would of got the nod to build on his confidence. Doesn't even get subbed on today so his not in lampards plans at all is he. Really wanted to get bertaccini in a couple weeks back but that ship has sailed now
 

Major Tom

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  • Sunday at 12:19 AM
  • #112
Buying strikers at this level is always a risk. every team hopes they’ve got a 20+ goals striker on their hands, in reality the fit has to be right, confidence high and a bit of luck. Any top scoring striker in this league is either off to the Prem/Europe or priced out of our reach.
Wright is quality in this league and looking at today he’s starting to get his fitness and sharpness back. I think he will come good.
Not sure where the Simms I watched at Sheff Wed away has gone but he’s dropped off massively.
Norman need game time and a goal.
BTA is a 20 mins when your winning forward you bring on to run out defences.

I think we need to buy in a couple of lower league keen prospects who will work hard with wright and see who comes good. 50:50 bet.
 

Balli001

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  • Sunday at 6:15 AM
  • #113
Major Tom said:
Buying strikers at this level is always a risk. every team hopes they’ve got a 20+ goals striker on their hands, in reality the fit has to be right, confidence high and a bit of luck. Any top scoring striker in this league is either off to the Prem/Europe or priced out of our reach.
Wright is quality in this league and looking at today he’s starting to get his fitness and sharpness back. I think he will come good.
Not sure where the Simms I watched at Sheff Wed away has gone but he’s dropped off massively.
Norman need game time and a goal.
BTA is a 20 mins when your winning forward you bring on to run out defences.

I think we need to buy in a couple of lower league keen prospects who will work hard with wright and see who comes good. 50:50 bet.
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Norman had game time and a goal last season yet was still awful
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Sunday at 6:42 AM
  • #114
Looks like Lampard doesn’t trust Simms.

On paper Simms should be great for the system if he could improve his hold up play. We at this point might want to cut our loses and try and sign strikers who fit the system but that is a huge risk.

I think if I was in charge of our remaining transfers, could look at Ben Davies from Rangers for £2 million to give a more experienced head in defence.

And then look to replace Simms with Salech from Cardiff as a target forward with a bit more aggression.
 
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Deity

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  • Sunday at 6:52 AM
  • #115
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Looks like Lampard doesn’t trust Simms.

On paper Simms should be great for the system if he could improve his hold up play. We at this point might want to cut our loses and try and sign strikers who fit the system but that is a huge risk.

I think if I was in charge of our remaining transfers, could look at Ben Davies from Rangers for £2 million to give a more experienced head in defence.

And then look to replace Simms with Salech from Cardiff as a target forward with a bit more aggression.
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The good news is you’re not in charge of transfers.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Sunday at 6:56 AM
  • #116
Deity said:
The good news is you’re not in charge of transfers.
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Good news for us 100%
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Sunday at 6:58 AM
  • #117
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Looks like Lampard doesn’t trust Simms.

On paper Simms should be great for the system if he could improve his hold up play. We at this point might want to cut our loses and try and sign strikers who fit the system but that is a huge risk.

I think if I was in charge of our remaining transfers, could look at Ben Davies from Rangers for £2 million to give a more experienced head in defence.

And then look to replace Simms with Salech from Cardiff as a target forward with a bit more aggression.
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Kitching has played 250 career games. We don’t need a more experienced head
 
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Super Graham Withey

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  • Sunday at 6:58 AM
  • #118
Mucca Mad Boys said:
It’s one game and we play with one striker so if you have 3, you can’t play all of them without changing formation.

Either way, the fundamental weakness in our team is that we use the wide channels a lot, but there’s no where enough goal production there.

What did EMC and Sakamoto do today? Not a lot.
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Spot on. Sakamoto in particular gets a free pass on here.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Sunday at 7:03 AM
  • #119
Ccfcisparks said:
Kitching has played 250 career games. We don’t need a more experienced head
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Yeah that’s true, to be honest thought the defence did well yesterday.

Doubt we’ll get Hughes, so who would you want in for a CB. Could look at the Stockport Pyre as apparently available for £3 million
 
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Deity

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  • Sunday at 7:04 AM
  • #120
Super Graham Withey said:
Spot on. Sakamoto in particular gets a free pass on here.
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Tats was our best player first half ….
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Sunday at 7:16 AM
  • #121
A striker isn't the issue. Not replacing this is:


Rudoni and Torp are rarely going to carry the ball in that position. Simms and Wright scored loads of goals in 2023/24 and a huge part of that was O'Hare creating space with his movement.

A 10 is vital. Someone to drive with the ball through the middle.
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • Sunday at 7:19 AM
  • #122
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pusbccfc said:
A striker isn't the issue. Not replacing this is:


Rudoni and Torp are rarely going to carry the ball in that position. Simms and Wright scored loads of goals in 2023/24 and a huge part of that was O'Hare creating space with his movement.

A 10 is vital. Someone to drive with the ball through the middle.
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how did Shef Utd do yesterday
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Sunday at 7:21 AM
  • #123
Deity said:
Tats was our best player first half ….
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and a whisker away from scoring a great goal.
 
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Deity

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  • Sunday at 7:24 AM
  • #124
pusbccfc said:
A striker isn't the issue. Not replacing this is:


Rudoni and Torp are rarely going to carry the ball in that position. Simms and Wright scored loads of goals in 2023/24 and a huge part of that was O'Hare creating space with his movement.

A 10 is vital. Someone to drive with the ball through the middle.
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Rudi is a far better 10 than COH.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Sunday at 7:29 AM
  • #125
Deity said:
Rudi is a far better 10 than COH.
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Think the point tho is Rudoni often drifts wide meaning there’s no one in the central space to create space for our strikers.

 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Sunday at 7:30 AM
  • #126
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Think the point tho is Rudoni often drifts wide meaning there’s no one in the central space to create space for our strikers.

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How do you fit them in the same team then
 

Hullinho87

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  • Sunday at 7:31 AM
  • #127
pusbccfc said:
A striker isn't the issue. Not replacing this is:


Rudoni and Torp are rarely going to carry the ball in that position. Simms and Wright scored loads of goals in 2023/24 and a huge part of that was O'Hare creating space with his movement.

A 10 is vital. Someone to drive with the ball through the middle.
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How many games/minutes was COH on the pitch when Wright/Simms scored that season?

You should look it up, you will find it interesting.

Clue: it’s not many.
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Sunday at 7:33 AM
  • #128
Ccfcisparks said:
How do you fit them in the same team then
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Who Rudoni and O Hare?

If all you care about is those two, you could play the 3-4-2-1. Or as a silly proposal, play Rudoni on the right wing and just allow him to drift inside with a fullback keeping the widith
 

pusbccfc

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  • Sunday at 7:34 AM
  • #129
Deity said:
Rudi is a far better 10 than COH.
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Different players.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sunday at 7:35 AM
  • #130
As a totally whacky suggestion, maybe stick Rudoni himself in the centre forward slot if all we want to do is lump it into the box. He’s great in the air and has a better eye for goal than some of our ‘forwards’, he’d also do better getting the ball to stick up front.
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Sunday at 7:38 AM
  • #131
Keep seeing Simms scored for fun in 2023 season .IMO he soon got found out for his lack of control and has since become ineffective.
By the way in yesterday game he was warming up (standing watching the game)on his way back to the bench went down the tunnel did he come back after I forgot to check.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Sunday at 7:42 AM
  • #132
Hullinho87 said:
How many games/minutes was COH on the pitch when Wright/Simms scored that season?

You should look it up, you will find it interesting.

Clue: it’s not many.
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You tell me...

Ultimately, the point remains that an attacking midfielder who's willing to find space and carry the ball is lacking in games where sides are sat deep.

Currently, we often go wide and pump balls into the box to Asante or Haji. Neither particularly good in the air.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Sunday at 7:44 AM
  • #133
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Who Rudoni and O Hare?

If all you care about is those two, you could play the 3-4-2-1. Or as a silly proposal, play Rudoni on the right wing and just allow him to drift inside with a fullback keeping the widith
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Neither would work
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Sunday at 7:47 AM
  • #134
Ccfcisparks said:
Neither would work
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Like I said if all you care about is playing the two of them that’s how you could try it.

I don’t actually think we need O’Hare but we might either want to invest in a box to box midfielder who can pick defences apart or if we are not signing anyone tell Rudoni to stay more central
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Sunday at 7:51 AM
  • #135
pusbccfc said:
A striker isn't the issue. Not replacing this is:


Rudoni and Torp are rarely going to carry the ball in that position. Simms and Wright scored loads of goals in 2023/24 and a huge part of that was O'Hare creating space with his movement.

A 10 is vital. Someone to drive with the ball through the middle.
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Rudoni was in the box a fair bit expecting service almost a 2nd striker at times. I do think he can create and drive as his assists were high last season but feels like he's been asked to do another role. Also our strikers first touch yesterday was poor!
 

Hullinho87

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  • Sunday at 7:52 AM
  • #136
pusbccfc said:
You tell me...

Ultimately, the point remains that an attacking midfielder who's willing to find space and carry the ball is lacking in games where sides are sat deep.

Currently, we often go wide and pump balls into the box to Asante or Haji. Neither particularly good in the air.
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I don’t disagree with you generally speaking but COH wasn’t a central reason to Wright and Simms (who’s only goal streak came just post Christmas) scored that season. Involved in a few but not the central reason.

But most importantly, I think you are in the tiny minority that doesn’t think a goal scoring striker isn’t our code red primary issue/priority … which was your original point.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Sunday at 8:12 AM
  • #137
Hullinho87 said:
I don’t disagree with you generally speaking but COH wasn’t a central reason to Wright and Simms (who’s only goal streak came just post Christmas) scored that season. Involved in a few but not the central reason.

But most importantly, I think you are in the tiny minority that doesn’t think a goal scoring striker isn’t our code red primary issue/priority … which was your original point.
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Simms, Wright and even BTA have scored a adecent amount of goals in this division though.

I'm not sure who comes in and does a job really. Unless we were seriously ambitious, which is unlikely.
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • Sunday at 8:13 AM
  • #138
Bigelvesy said:
Can think of atleast three chances today that Gyokeres would have scored. Particularly one from
Wright from outside the box that he hit with his left foot. It was fucking pathetic and put way wide
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Once in 100 maybe

Wright hasn't even got 45 mins of game time yet since May. Let's see how he is in September and if Lampard can adjust the tactics.
 
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Bigelvesy

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  • Sunday at 8:49 AM
  • #139
Speedie's Head said:
Once in 100 maybe

Wright hasn't even got 45 mins of game time yet since May. Let's see how he is in September and if Lampard can adjust the tactics.
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I think talk of getting rid of wright is ludicrous. He is absolutely one of the best strikers in this league when he is properly fit. We’re rarely seeing him properly fit at the moment, as there is no faith in the other strikers and therefore we’re wheeling him out broken and off the pace.

We absolutely need proper competition for him. Give him that push but also to protect him better
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sunday at 8:55 AM
  • #140
Deity said:
Rudi is a far better 10 than COH.
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He isn't as creative, a bigger goal threat in his own right
 
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